Gaming Phoenix Wright Dual Destinies Discussion thread

[Black-Ice]

This has just become my general winning song.
This song makes winning feel so much better

Especially comebacks

 

[Kikirini]

Sooo... I'm currently playing Trials and Tribulations, and I'm wondering, do I need to play the entire ace attorney series to understand the events in this game?

 

[Chary]

Sooo... I'm currently playing Trials and Tribulations, and I'm wondering, do I need to play the entire ace attorney series to understand the events in this game?

No, but there are throwbacks and references that you'll miss. If you play the previous games, and THEN play Dual Destinies, it's a much fuller experience.

 

[Kikirini]

No, but there are throwbacks and references that you'll miss. If you play the previous games, and THEN play Dual Destinies, it's a much fuller experience.

I have played the two before Trials and Tribulations. I guess I should have clarified.
What I meant was, do I need to play the ace attorney games that don't feature Phoenix as the main character? 'Cause I'd rather skip them if they're not hugely plot relevant.

 

[emigre]

I have played the two before Trials and Tribulations. I guess I should have clarified.
What I meant was, do I need to play the ace attorney games that don't feature Phoenix as the main character? 'Cause I'd rather skip them if they're not hugely plot relevant.

AAI not at all. Playing Apollo Justice would be pretty beneficial as references are made to it.

 

[trumpet-205]

I have played the two before Trials and Tribulations. I guess I should have clarified.
What I meant was, do I need to play the ace attorney games that don't feature Phoenix as the main character? 'Cause I'd rather skip them if they're not hugely plot relevant.

You definitely need to play Apollo Justice (AA4), otherwise you don't know what happened that lead to the events in AA5.

 

[Kikirini]

Well, crap, guess It's going to be a while before I can play the new game, then.

I assume the Miles Edgeworth games are required playing, too?

 

[Arras]

I have played the two before Trials and Tribulations. I guess I should have clarified.
What I meant was, do I need to play the ace attorney games that don't feature Phoenix as the main character? 'Cause I'd rather skip them if they're not hugely plot relevant.

You definitely need to play Apollo Justice (AA4), otherwise you don't know what happened that lead to the events in AA5.

Pretty much this. Also, Apollo grows on you.

 

[trumpet-205]

I assume the Miles Edgeworth games are required playing, too?

No, you can save that till later.

 

[Kikirini]

No, you can save that till later.

Oh, okay. Thanks.

 

[Jiehfeng]

Oh, okay. Thanks.

But make sure you play the investigations game later or if you have time cause it's a really awesome game

 

[Lusankya]

But make sure you play the investigations game later or if you have time cause it's a really awesome game

The second even more than the first. Too bad AAI2 is Japanese only, but the first two cases got an English patch and there is a translated, extremely good walkthrough of the game on youtube.

 

[Jiehfeng]

The second even more than the first. Too bad AAI2 is Japanese only, but the first two cases got an English patch and there is a translated, extremely good walkthrough of the game on youtube.

Yeah, never played the second, shame it's JP only.

 

[VMM]

Just beated the game, this is what I tought about it:
(SPOILER ALERT: Don't read is if you haven't beaten the game yet)

Spoiler

That's a Phoenix Wright game, but half of it you're playing with Athena and Apollo.

Although I think cell-shaded would suit more the game, the game looks really good.

One of the most annoying things in AA games was to search for evidence in investigation days,
since you never really knew what and where to search making you have to search everywhere and have to read multiple times the same dialog.
Now the examine button is only avaiable when there is need, and there is a check button for everything that have already been investigated,
which is a major step foward to gameplay in my opinion.

It's nice to have those beautiful cutscenes, but the dubbing was so terrible it almost ruined it.
Why didn't Capcom let us play with the japanese voices, except creating subtitles, the effort would be minimun.
What happened to the original Phoenix dubber? In the first 3 games, Phoenix voice sounded so nice every time he hold an objection,
now he has the voice of a youngster. Even worse than it was Edgewoth voice, he sounded like Von Karma, needless to say how weird it is.

There are two characters that I think everybody who have been playing Ace attorney have grown fond of and both of them are out of this game: Maya Fey and Dick Gumshoe.
Many characters don't have appeared since AA4, like Larry Butz, Old Windbad and Franziska Von Karma, and that's natural, but those two I said above were really important,
and there wasn't a case where you haven't seen them, I dare to say Maya was the most important character to the series after Phoenix so playing an AA game without them just doesn't feel right.

There always have been some supernatural powers in AA games, Magatma have always been there, but this game is over the top with it.
Magatma, Appolo's bracelet and now Athena's ability to see someone's emotion from their heart;
I appreciate the trying to change a bit the gameplay but did we really need all these supernatural powers? Wasn't Magatma enough?
But all of that could be simply ignored, because there was something a lot worse than all of these together, that last episode.
That episode could have epical proportions; it conected 3 cases, the killing of Dr Cykes, Mr Terran and the bombing of the courtroom.

Two longstanding rivals, and yet best friends, have once again been confronting each other in the courtroom, after about a decade.
Everything was fine until the last recess of courtroom, when we discovered Bobby Fulbright was the phantom and Simon Blackhill have once again sit in prosecutor bench.

An astronaut afraid of space and a lawyer afraid of courtroom was pretty pathetic

Bobby Fulbright was dead long ago and what we knew was just a faceless spy hiding trough masks.
Having the phantom switching over those thoushand masks were so bad it reminded me of kid cartoons;
even with mediums, human lie detectors and every supernatural stuff in AA games,
they always have been logic and close to reality, and that part really ruined it.

Every trial have a suspect, and alongside with evidence, there have always been something incriminating them,
the murder motive, how something so basic that have been completely ignored in this last case?!
The phantom killed both Dr Cykes and Mr Terran for apparently no reason, since he's only goal was to sabotage Gaxyas.

Bobby Fulbright been the phantom was an outstanding twist plot, but it was ruined just a little later,
since he was just a faceless spy who have killed two important people for apparent no reason,
but that's not even the worse part.

The phantom was emotionless, an ice cold killer who have been fooling everyone in seven years,
but with some simple sentences about love, trust and friendship and he loses it and goes totally mad.
Having him change in such easy way just for the power of emotions was beyond piegas.

To complete the irrational plot, there was a sniper watching for the phantom, and he misses the shot.
Snipers usually have cirurgic precision, a heashot would been certain, but not only he misses the head but he also could do the amazing feet of not hiting any vital organ.

After beating the game I wasn't just dissapointed, I was angry, asking myself why did I pay 30 bucks on this
and wanting to throw my 3DS at the wall.
that last case was a bad joke I couldn't swallow and made me worry about the future of the series.
I just hope the next AA game will be better than this.

 

[Jiehfeng]

Just beated the game, this is what I tought about it:
(SPOILER ALERT: Don't read is if you haven't beaten the game yet)

I completely agree about the investigations where you're not allowed to examine anywhere you'd like.

 

[VMM]

Interesting... How necessary is it to play the 1st 3 AA games before dual destinies? I'm still playing through the first one.

To say the truth, it's far more important to play Apollos Justice than any of the Phoenix Wright previous games.
You could understand almost everything about the game just by Apollo's Justice game, but I recommend playing the first three Ace Attorney games.
Ace Attorney Investigations is completely unnecessary for understanding the game.

 

[spiderben25]

This game looks awesome, but it's only available through the eshop right? No retail release?

 

[Black-Ice]

This game looks awesome, but it's only available through the eshop right? No retail release?

You are correct

 

[Bimmel]

Just beated the game, this is what I tought about it:
(SPOILER ALERT: Don't read is if you haven't beaten the game yet)

Spoiler

That's a Phoenix Wright game, but half of it you're playing with Athena and Apollo.

Although I think cell-shaded would suit more the game, the game looks really good.

One of the most annoying things in AA games was to search for evidence in investigation days,
since you never really knew what and where to search making you have to search everywhere and have to read multiple times the same dialog.
Now the examine button is only avaiable when there is need, and there is a check button for everything that have already been investigated,
which is a major step foward to gameplay in my opinion.

It's nice to have those beautiful cutscenes, but the dubbing was so terrible it almost ruined it.
Why didn't Capcom let us play with the japanese voices, except creating subtitles, the effort would be minimun.
What happened to the original Phoenix dubber? In the first 3 games, Phoenix voice sounded so nice every time he hold an objection,
now he has the voice of a youngster. Even worse than it was Edgewoth voice, he sounded like Von Karma, needless to say how weird it is.

There are two characters that I think everybody who have been playing Ace attorney have grown fond of and both of them are out of this game: Maya Fey and Dick Gumshoe.
Many characters don't have appeared since AA4, like Larry Butz, Old Windbad and Franziska Von Karma, and that's natural, but those two I said above were really important,
and there wasn't a case where you haven't seen them, I dare to say Maya was the most important character to the series after Phoenix so playing an AA game without them just doesn't feel right.

There always have been some supernatural powers in AA games, Magatma have always been there, but this game is over the top with it.
Magatma, Appolo's bracelet and now Athena's ability to see someone's emotion from their heart;
I appreciate the trying to change a bit the gameplay but did we really need all these supernatural powers? Wasn't Magatma enough?
But all of that could be simply ignored, because there was something a lot worse than all of these together, that last episode.
That episode could have epical proportions; it conected 3 cases, the killing of Dr Cykes, Mr Terran and the bombing of the courtroom.

Two longstanding rivals, and yet best friends, have once again been confronting each other in the courtroom, after about a decade.
Everything was fine until the last recess of courtroom, when we discovered Bobby Fulbright was the phantom and Simon Blackhill have once again sit in prosecutor bench.

An astronaut afraid of space and a lawyer afraid of courtroom was pretty pathetic

Bobby Fulbright was dead long ago and what we knew was just a faceless spy hiding trough masks.
Having the phantom switching over those thoushand masks were so bad it reminded me of kid cartoons;
even with mediums, human lie detectors and every supernatural stuff in AA games,
they always have been logic and close to reality, and that part really ruined it.

Every trial have a suspect, and alongside with evidence, there have always been something incriminating them,
the murder motive, how something so basic that have been completely ignored in this last case?!
The phantom killed both Dr Cykes and Mr Terran for apparently no reason, since he's only goal was to sabotage Gaxyas.

Bobby Fulbright been the phantom was an outstanding twist plot, but it was ruined just a little later,
since he was just a faceless spy who have killed two important people for apparent no reason,
but that's not even the worse part.

The phantom was emotionless, an ice cold killer who have been fooling everyone in seven years,
but with some simple sentences about love, trust and friendship and he loses it and goes totally mad.
Having him change in such easy way just for the power of emotions was beyond piegas.

To complete the irrational plot, there was a sniper watching for the phantom, and he misses the shot.
Snipers usually have cirurgic precision, a heashot would been certain, but not only he misses the head but he also could do the amazing feet of not hiting any vital organ.

After beating the game I wasn't just dissapointed, I was angry, asking myself why did I pay 30 bucks on this
and wanting to throw my 3DS at the wall.
that last case was a bad joke I couldn't swallow and made me worry about the future of the series.
I just hope the next AA game will be better than this.

Spoiler

Wow, I didn´t think I would find someone who thinks the same about the game as I do.

It reminds me a bit of Sonic and his sh*tty friends. Only in lawyer suits.

Unlikable characters, "bad" music and the good written jokes when you look at the crime scene or somewhere else are almost entirely gone. And I thought you couldn't ruin a system like that - but it's really possible. Stepladder, where are you?

Blackquill, Athena, Foolbright - all these new characters are totally stupid in my opinion. There is no real deph.

Blackquill: Your Sword is not sharp enough babbling (And that design! And that music!)
Athena: Your sample of any anime girl with a stupid minigame inside
Foolbright: Justice! Justice! Babbling

Where are the unique themes for some unique characters? No, why take some good music when we got 3 Themes that we can play everytime on every other character?

And why include Pearls and Trucy when they never do anything in this game? (DLC not included)

Trucy puts up underwear out of her hat or something - why just skip that and think of a actually good storyline? : (

Hm - that felt good. Im done too. =)

 

[Black-Ice]

Ace Attorney 6 confirmed