Hacking Nintendont

[tmv_josue]

Hasn't stopped Devolution which has super-preliminary USB keyboard and mouse support. (I myself have never gotten it to work though)

afaik that isn't HID.
Edit: nevermind this is wrong, they are HID.

 

[Nintendo Maniac]

afaik that isn't HID.

I was commenting about the system's "extra resources" to implement extra features period.

 

[tmv_josue]

What do you mean exactly with extra resources?
Apparently vIOS has something than IOS doesn't, imagine what it is.

 

[Nintendo Maniac]

I personally interpreted "extra resources" meaning CPU, GPU, and RAM.

 

[tmv_josue]

No, these characteristics are exactly the same in both.

 

[Nintendo Maniac]

No, these characteristics are exactly the same in both.

Kind of. vWii can take advantage of 3 cores, but at the Wii clockrate. Other than that they're the same, which is why I gave the example of Devolution being able to implement extra controller functionality on a normal Wii.

 

[tmv_josue]

I don't think nintendon't is using the three cores.
It seems that there is something in the vIOS that are not in the normal one and that is why crediar did not think to implement it.
It's best to ask him directly what is the problem on the normal Wii.

Certainly, the only other controller that has been implementing in Devo was a USB mouse and only 3 buttons of it and yet it must have been a great effort.
Surely crediar did not want to do all that, so it is not comparable.

 

[Walker D]

Crap, that is the only feature that I needed from this project. I accidentally bought that f*cking Family Edition Wii, and cannot use Dios Mios. I don't know why not to include it also in normal Wii version. I asked crediar about it on twitter, waiting for response...

Maybe someone should ask him if he would bother implementing usb support for wii, if a certain amount of donations (that he could define) was reached?

 

[sabykos]

I've talked with crediar about the Wii version a while ago. He said that it isn't that easy to support both GC-Pads and USB-controller. So he had to decide between this two options and chose to only support GC-Pads. Nonetheless he said that it is one of his goals to support both controls in the Wii-version, but this issue has rather low priority to him. So it will take some time before he tries to implement it.
I also asked if he could make two Wii-versions, one with GC-support, one with USB-support. Because it's just a homebrew app it would be possible to have both versions on the Wii. But he answered that he has already four version (WiiU USB, WiiU SD, Wii USB, Wii SD) and don't want to make more.

So it seems that owners of Family edition Wiis need to have patience.

 

[Nintendo Maniac]

And yet Devolution implements SD, USB, GC, and USB mouse into a single version. Come on now, I thought Crediar was good at this stuff.

Or is that tueidj is just that good?

 

[[Truth]]

People!
Let him finish/release the main program first, then bother him about controllersupport.

Nintendo Maniac: Was all this implemented in the first public version of Devolution? No? I guess so.

 

[BIFFTAZ]

"HIDTestv4 now supports loading the controller config from SD"

https://twitter.com/crediar/status/348426916589600770

 

[Nintendo Maniac]

Nintendo Maniac: Was all this implemented in the first public version of Devolution? No? I guess so.

But tueidj stated that it WOULD be supported and laid out several future goals in the first post of the Devolution - Public Release thread. Crediar on the other hand has pretty much flat-out said that it'll be GC pads only, now and forever, on non-Wii U systems.

 

[WiiUBricker]

And yet Devolution implements SD, USB, GC, and USB mouse into a single version. Come on now, I thought Crediar was good at this stuff.

Or is that tueidj is just that good?

I believe it's not a question whether someone is good enough to accomplish things, but rather whether someone is interested enough in doing things.

 

[Nintendo Maniac]

I believe it's not a question whether someone is good enough to accomplish things, but rather whether someone is interested enough in doing things.

Err... so are you saying that there'd be a reason for Crediar to make 4 separate versions, two for Wii and Wii U, rather than one for each platform or one version to cover everything?

 

[WiiUBricker]

Err... so are you saying that there'd be a reason for Crediar to make 4 separate versions, two for Wii and Wii U, rather than one for each platform or one version to cover everything?

I believe it would require more work. So why bother wasting your time for cosmetics?

 

[Rydian]

Err... so are you saying that there'd be a reason for Crediar to make 4 separate versions, two for Wii and Wii U, rather than one for each platform or one version to cover everything?

It's not going to be one to cover everything, there will be at least two versions.

 

[Nintendo Maniac]

I believe it would require more work. So why bother wasting your time for cosmetics?

It could be argued that having a single code base for everything would require less maintenance.

It's not going to be one to cover everything, there will be at least two versions.

...er, I think you read my post wrong.

 

[Rydian]

...er, I think you read my post wrong.

I'm just confirming that there will be at least two versions. One runs on a system with more resources and different inputs available while the other runs on the system with less resources and the original inputs available.

So it's not that he's specifically going to develop multiple versions just to spite you or anything, it's already going to be that way.

 

[WiiUBricker]

It could be argued that having a single code base for everything would require less maintenance.

Not necessarily. Remember crediar splitting DML and DM in two versions because there is not enough RAM for both versions in one file. You could possibly include both versions in one file with more work, but why bother doing this and risking bugs and broken features as a result?