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Is Smash 2018 a port, or a new game?

Yesterday we had a whole slew of new games revealed on Nintendo's latest Direct, but the title that stood out as the presentation ended, was Super Smash Bros.

One thing Nintendo conveniently forgot to mention or hint at in any way; is the game a port of the WiiU Smash, following the trend of a lot of the current AAA Switch library? Or is it an entirely new Smash, just for Switch? Or maybe it's a mix of the 2, a DX version?

We've already had a ton of theories in the Super Smash Brothers announce thread - but here, we would like you to cast a vote!

 

[deinonychus71]

I think its just kind of an interesting discussion. What exactly constitutes an enhanced port or an entirely new game? If the game started as a port of the game before it, bringing over physics and character models, but then things are not only added, but things within all that code are tweaked and changed. Is all of that still an enhanced port, or is it a new game, or does that deserve a different label entirely?

Exactly. It's not binary at all.

Hyrule Warriors Legends was a new game, but you could as well say it's just a port with additional content.

 

[Deathscreton]

I think its just kind of an interesting discussion. What exactly constitutes an enhanced port or an entirely new game? If the game started as a port of the game before it, bringing over physics and character models, but then things are not only added, but things within all that code are tweaked and changed. Is all of that still an enhanced port, or is it a new game, or does that deserve a different label entirely?

Now we're getting philosophical. Nice.

 

[Deleted User]

One of the silhouettes at the end of the trailer, lower right, tall and in a kind of super hero pose, makes me think of the pokemon UB-02 Buzzwole.

 

[AxlSt00pid]

That new logo font is quite similar as how "Super Smash Bros." is written on Melee, but curved a bit imo

 

[Deathscreton]

Exactly. It's not binary at all.

Hyrule Warriors Legends was a new game, but you could as well say it's just a port with additional content.

This is where it gets iffy. Legends was "technically" a port, but it did include changes to mechanics. What defines it as a "port" is that the mechanical changes were changes to existing mechanics. The game didn't include any new, game changing changes. I'd consider it a port and not a new game.

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One of the silhouettes at the end of the trailer, lower right, tall and in a kind of super hero pose, makes me think of the pokemon UB-02 Buzzwole.

I've always loved that Ultra Beast name. Buzzwole. Whoever created that name needs a raise and beer.

 

[pedro702]

This is where it gets iffy. Legends was "technically" a port, but it did include changes to mechanics. What defines it as a "port" is that the mechanical changes were changes to existing mechanics. The game didn't include any new, game changing changes. I'd consider it a port and not a new game.

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I've always loved that Ultra Beast name. Buzzwole. Whoever created that name needs a raise and beer.

by that logic super mario galaxy 2 was just a port since they used same engine added diferent levels some power ups and yoshi lol.

same can be said about every new super mario bros game series, same mechanics diferent maps one or 2 new power ups at best.

 

[Xzi]

I think its just kind of an interesting discussion. What exactly constitutes an enhanced port or an entirely new game? If the game started as a port of the game before it, bringing over physics and character models, but then things are not only added, but things within all that code are tweaked and changed. Is all of that still an enhanced port, or is it a new game, or does that deserve a different label entirely?

Developers don't like to change engines unless they have to. As much as it pains me to say it, the CoD games are all different games despite their very slight differences. It doesn't take a whole lot to make a new Smash game with most of the existing assets, either. Only have to change up the game modes and characters, add some new cutscenes.

 

[Deathscreton]

by that logic super mario galaxy 2 was just a port since they used same engine added diferent levels some power ups and yoshi lol.

same can be said about every new super mario bros game series, same mechanics diferent maps one or 2 new power ups at best.

That was confirmed to be a continuation though. Besides the confirmation, SMG2 had NEW mechanics added to it. Every continuation has changes to the base game that qualify it as a contiguous entry in the series. The shitty part is when a game is labeled as a sequel, but is clearly a game with just a reskin. SMG2 was not this, and I don't think Sma5h will be this either.

 

[pedro702]

That was confirmed to be a continuation though. Besides the confirmation, SMG2 had NEW mechanics added to it. Every continuation has changes to the base game that qualify it as a contiguous entry in the series. The shitty part is when a game is labeled as a sequel, but is clearly a game with just a reskin. SMG2 was not this, and I don't think Sma5h will be this either.

well waht about new super mario bros series? they are all reskins on the same engine with few added stuff and are called sequels, so if smash does this and keeps same mechanics its a sequel too.

 

[SkittleDash]

If this is a new game, I hope there's some sort of Adventure Mode.

 

[Deathscreton]

well waht about new super mario bros series? they are all reskins on the same engine with few added stuff and are called sequels, so if smash does this and keeps same mechanics its a sequel too.

ALL of the SMB games were DRASTICALLY different from one another. The core concept stayed the same, yes, and that also includes some of the code, but they all added different mechanics and upgrades to their prior entries. They all had major differences that made them unique. You can tell the difference by just looking at them.

Let me give you a thought experiment. Say you have Super Mario Bros 1, then you have Super Mario Bros 2. Now, can you imagine them taking EVERYTHING from SMB2, and adding it as an expansion to 1? Ignoring spec requirements and constraints they had because of the systems, even then I can't say that it would seem feasible to call it an expansion. That's practically a whole new game wrapped into the first. It wouldn't work.

With that being said, you have to keep in mind that the further we progress in terms of games and their creation, the less the games are going to differ on the outside (to an extent). It's the mechanics, code and creation that starts changing. Make sense?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Not really since it was the very first thing you see in the 3ds/WiiU announcement back in 2013. The only difference was the cross was on fire not the circle.

It could also be that... That's just... Sakurai's aesthetic?... I mean, he has a very distinctive, over-the-top style

 

[KeoniAzugon]

With lack of some more proper details, it is random speculation. I'll hold off till E3 to see if N says anything more.

 

[Deleted User]

Whether it be new or a port, it just better not be Melee HD. I didn't like Melee to begin with, and much prefer Smash 4 or even Brawl mechanics.

I hate to say it but if it is Melee HD I just won't buy it.

 

[Deathscreton]

Whether it be new or a port, it just better not be Melee HD. I didn't like Melee to begin with, and much prefer Smash 4 or even Brawl mechanics.

I hate to say it but if it is Melee HD I just won't buy it.

I will fight you. All jokes aside, can I ask why you don't like Melee?

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[Deleted User]

I will fight you. All jokes aside, can I ask why you don't like Melee?

It feels to fast. That is really it. I feel as if Smash 4 was the perfect game. It balanced the speed of Brawl (which was too slow) and Melee (which was too fast)

 

[pedro702]

ALL of the SMB games were DRASTICALLY different from one another. The core concept stayed the same, yes, and that also includes some of the code, but they all added different mechanics and upgrades to their prior entries. They all had major differences that made them unique. You can tell the difference by just looking at them.

Let me give you a thought experiment. Say you have Super Mario Bros 1, then you have Super Mario Bros 2. Now, can you imagine them taking EVERYTHING from SMB2, and adding it as an expansion to 1? Ignoring spec requirements and constraints they had because of the systems, even then I can't say that it would seem feasible to call it an expansion. That's practically a whole new game wrapped into the first. It wouldn't work.

With that being said, you have to keep in mind that the further we progress in terms of games and their creation, the less the games are going to differ on the outside (to an extent). It's the mechanics, code and creation that starts changing. Make sense?

actualy the true smb2 is basicaly the same as smb1 the smb2usa is just a reskin but smb2 lost levels is basicaly a copy paste of smb1 textures and everything just diferent levels and added wind lol.

 

[Deathscreton]

actualy the true smb2 is basicaly the same as smb1 the smb2usa is just a reskin but smb2 lost levels is basicaly a copy paste of smb1 textures and everything just diferent levels and added wind lol.

Okay, so the outlier. There's always one (this is my excuse so I can do further research instead out spouting stuff out my ass). Do you have any other examples?

 

[pedro702]

Okay, so the outlier. There's always one (this is my excuse so I can do further research instead out spouting stuff out my ass). Do you have any other examples?

sonic one sonic 2 again they used same textures, made diferent maps and added tails.
mario party 1 2 and 3, same models added some minigames and changed the maps.
pokemon stadium 1 and 2 just added the missing pokemons models and attacks.


there are countless examples of this.

call of duty games on ps2 for instance they are all very very similar same engine just diferent maps missions, there are countless examples of games using same engine and assets , making diferent levels and its a sequel.

also incase you didnt knew smb2 on japan wasnt released on usa becuase it was too hard aparently they putted enemies and jumps much closer together in a way the game was considered hard so nintendo of america got another platform game and called it smb2 lol and reskined with mario.

smb and smb2 are the same exact game just look them up and besides lvl diferences they just added wind to some levels.

 

[AxlSt00pid]

actualy the true smb2 is basicaly the same as smb1 the smb2usa is just a reskin but smb2 lost levels is basicaly a copy paste of smb1 textures and everything just diferent levels and added wind lol.

Dude, this is like saying that GTA San Andreas is basically a GTA III DX GoTY because SA is build off the engine of GTA VC, which at the same time GTA VC's engine is based off GTA III's one