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18 Years Since 9/11

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It has been 18 years since 9/11.

On 2001, September 11, the Twin Towers were token down by Afghanistan.

Since that day, we (USA) are still In war with Afghanistan.

 
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I was 10 years old when this happened, and still wasn't fully aware enough to know what was going on. A lot of people on the internet these day are definitely too young to remember this at all.

Spicy memes aside, it's difficult to accurately portray the loss and, more significantly, the rage experienced by the entirety of the US population following the event. Absolutely every other minor disagreement was put aside to come together and make sure those responsible would pay.

In that regard, it is not difficult to understand why we still haven't dropped this.
 

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ie the day which gave American government (and, by influence, some others) an excuse to start mass cutdowns on personal privacy and freedom


I unpause a video I have on repeat of the plane crashes dubbed with Yakety Sak
 
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Afghanistan? Wasn't it some Saudi clan that did it?
Wasn't it Saddam Hussein?
Wasn't it Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't him already killed?
Or was it Russia? Or some demon of the week?

PS: you may not like my post, perhaps, but it did happen and it was very bad... I only hate how the victims and the fact has been disrespected and used as a source of propaganda in the past. I guess I go back to my cave now.
 

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If only the talibans were invited to Camp David... War would be over. /s

Ya know, the post was joking, I know ... but it ain't exactly wrong. Since we first got in this mess, who with real power in the US government (or British? I dunno bout that) has done anything about Afghanistan except tell people what they want to hear, but actually do the opposite, until now? Bush Jr. got us in there, but Obama didn't try to get us out. Neither did anyone involved in their administrations. Now you've got Trump actually acknowledging that it ain't good or ever gonna be good for the West (US, UK, Canada, etc) to be interjecting itself in Afghani affairs, and wanting to negotiate an orderly withdrawal. And even now there are 'establishment' people like John Bolton trying to stand in the way of it happening.

There must be an awful lot of money to be made from being on the reins-holding end of this war. And I suspect it has much to do with government defense contracts and heroin production/distribution.
 
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Ya know, the post was joking, I know ... but it ain't exactly wrong. Since we first got in this mess, who with real power in the US government (or British? I dunno bout that) has done anything about Afghanistan except tell people what they want to hear, but actually do the opposite, until now? Bush Jr. got us in there, but Obama didn't try to get us out. Neither did anyone involved in their administrations. Now you've got Trump actually acknowledging that it ain't good or ever gonna be good for the West (US, UK, Canada, etc) to be interjecting itself in Afghani affairs, and wanting to negotiate an orderly withdrawal. And even now there are 'establishment' people like John Bolton trying to stand in the way of it happening.

There must be an awful lot of money to be made from being on the reins-holding end of this war. And I suspect it has much to do with government defense contracts and heroin production/distribution.
John Bolton, Him and what the Hispanics call El Trumpo got in an little disagreement. So now that War Hawk is out.
 
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John Bolton, Him and what the Hispanics call El Trumpo got in an little disagreement. So now that War Hawk is out.
Which means it was Trump's decision to cancel the Taliban meeting at Camp David. Not that it was a good idea in the first place, but they committed another attack since it was announced, which is what forced his hand.

Additionally, it looks like we'll be learning about the Saudi ruling family's ties to the 9/11 hijackers soon, as release of that information has been ordered by a federal judge. Will Trump be cutting off all arms sales and financial support to Saudi Arabia after that? Doubtful.
 
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Which means it was Trump's decision to cancel the Taliban meeting at Camp David. Not that it was a good idea in the first place, but they committed another attack since it was announced, which is what forced his hand.

Additionally, it looks like we'll be learning about the Saudi ruling family's ties to the 9/11 hijackers soon, as release of that information has been ordered by a federal judge. Will Trump be cutting off all arms sales and financial support to Saudi Arabia after that? Doubtful.

If that's true, then the info would have been available to Bush and Obama too. Just not to the public. Just because it becomes public knowledge doesn't change that it has been classified knowledge since (probably) 2002 or so, and certainly known to POTUS. Bush walked hand in hand with the Saudi king. Obama bowed to him. If either of them did those things with the knowledge that the Saudi royal family was connected to the attack, they should be tried for treason. Yes?
 
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If that's true, then the info would have been available to Bush and Obama too. Just not to the public. Just because it becomes public knowledge doesn't change that it has been classified knowledge since (probably) 2002 or so, and certainly known to POTUS. Bush walked hand in hand with the Saudi king. Obama bowed to him. If either of them did those things with the knowledge that the Saudi royal family was connected to the attack, they should be tried for treason. Yes?
I don't think you could try them for treason in actual courts, you know they would have done it for the "greater good" of America('s businessmen and establishment). That said, they should have a very special dark place in history books at least.
 
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I don't think you could try them for treason in actual courts, you know they would have done it for the "greater good" of America('s businessmen and establishment). That said, they should have a very special dark place in history books at least.


Agree. And again, that's all with the assumption that the rumor is true.
 

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If that's true, then the info would have been available to Bush and Obama too. Just not to the public. Just because it becomes public knowledge doesn't change that it has been classified knowledge since (probably) 2002 or so, and certainly known to POTUS. Bush walked hand in hand with the Saudi king. Obama bowed to him. If either of them did those things with the knowledge that the Saudi royal family was connected to the attack, they should be tried for treason. Yes?
The public has known for a long time that both wars in the Middle East were initiated based on lies. I've always been of the opinion that Obama's biggest failure was not prosecuting GWB and Cheney for their war crimes, and that's how we've ended up with an even more blatantly criminal administration eight years later.

The Saudis have always gotten a pass based solely on their financial wealth and wealth of oil resources. It seems like that might continue indefinitely, as public outcry over Khashoggi's murder and the war in Yemen has been minimal. Unfortunately the commitment to late-stage capitalism transcends party lines, and Bernie Sanders seems to be the only politician willing to call it out as the driving force behind so many of the country's problems, both foreign and domestic.
 
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Obama was in office for 8 years. not just 2014. 8 years is longer than WWII, even including years the US wasn't in it. 8 years covers almost the entire length of US military involvement in Vietnam. If it were Obama's intention to really get us out of Afghanistan, there were years to spare to get it done. Instead he tripled the number of US troops there, from ~33k when he took office to over 100k. Then after 2014, the number of troops was reduced as your links show. But he didn't get the job done. We were still there when he left office, leaving the problem of an actual exit to the next guy.

It's a bit disingenuous to tout troop number reductions when he was the one who escalated the conflict.
 
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