You told me to "Though roll on the mischaracterisation." so I assumed you wouldn't be up for discussion. You made that "joke" about the slogan multiple times. It stops being a joke after the first 2 or 3 times.
I'm not happy about the mandates either, let me set the record straight (I wish they didn't exist), but the difference is I see a safe, clear path to those having problems with them to be able to work through them. No mandate has affected me this entire time. I got a vaccination I read into the trials on and deemed safe. Many choose not to due to misinformation they chose to believe. I think anti-vax sentiment is stupid, I think people who take horse paste are stupid, and that... Had more of our populations been vaccinated, these mandates wouldn't be coming into effect to try and protect the vulnerable in a not-yet-reached herd immunity population.
The excuses that COVID kills few is not really true, because the data was skewed by masking and extra sanitation almost immediately. It's impossible to point to numbers when COVID has spread all across the world but people are masking and sanitizing and go "look deaths low". Look at the numbers early on, when we weren't doing anything. They may not be much larger at first but you have to take into account the spread of the virus at the time and the number of potential infections that could take place. Less overall potential infections, less actual infections, less deaths. Needs to be put in context.
In an earlier post you seem to suggest that the side effects of the Vaccine are worse then the disease itself. Please, do some research and look at the 8 billion shots of various COVID vaccines (estimated) given across the world, then compare that to the 2.6 million side effect reports on VigiAccess. Then look into those reports. Oh, 16,000 reported deaths. For a Vaccine that's been given to ~4 billion people.
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I could dive deeper into hatred for the mandate but overall, I don't like it either. I just know that it's also not affecting me, because I made the decision to get vaccinated to protect others and myself. The comparisons to Nazi germany and the way the Jews were treated is a bullshit right-wing conspiracy theorist talking point to scare people.
I'm out.
You can try to be humour police. Rarely a good look though.
I am not seeing how mandates or quicker action (assuming it was physically possible -- even if it was a single shot of saline the physical realities of production rates, needles, room to do it... makes it a stretch for first world countries, never mind third world shitholes, which seem to be the main producers of all these fun variants at this point and probably a few more besides that maybe did not make it far yet -- if antibiotics is a big deal to many places there then genetic sequencing and virus isolation is probably not high on the agenda). Given the general nature of such things even the precious immunocompromised population probably ought to cower in fear in their home even in the magical 100% doubled up and I guess boosted now save those immunocompromised/allergic to egg/contradindicated... set.
Care to point me at where I said side effects were worse than the disease? I recall saying in various people's risk reward (which kind of has to be a personal affair when it all comes down to it, outside of truly radical scenarios anyway which this is not even close from where I sit -- wants to be way more contagious and way more deadly for that one) it might rise to that, and offered the popular "tragedy is when I cut my finger, comedy is when you fall down a well and die" notion as an aspect of that. If you somehow savour that statement then I would call it a poor estimate of risk.
Masks as a positive effect to that degree? Maybe if people could wear them then there would have been a real perk. As it stands the greater benefit went to the mask makers and those that enjoyed their little adult safety blanket. Time lags between mask mandates, supplies of hand sanitiser (most of which is probably ill effective by pure chemistry, anti viral being a rather higher concentrate than most used, and poor use -- not so many doing a surgeon scrub really).
Equally positive test rates vs death rates. Paints a bit of a picture there as far as lethality.
"I just know that it's also not affecting me"
Give or take services you rely on being troubled by it then that seems so very close to "if you have nothing to hide you have you have nothing to fear", possibly whilst still having curtains on your house.
On top of that, you're just straight up comparing saving people from covid with vaccines to people with extra weight, asking why we don't outlaw them. Interestingly, having extra weight on your body doesn't kill others! What a fun fact. Being overweight isn't contagious! What a fun fact number 2!
If you want to argue you're not anti-abortion and whatnot and just hate the mandates, I can at least recognize guaranteed fat-phobia and classism. Enough for me to not give a shit about what you have to say.
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Some were all "but if they get it then no treatment for you" and that was mainly for that. They cost a lot of medical services up and down the line (your picture of my post being some of those, had some better ones elsewhere, especially the part where it was noted as making the holy vaccines way less useful which also speaks more to this), and also take up valuable hospital beds that could be used for real accidents what with all their excessive cancers, knee surgeries/back surgeries, blood clots, heart attacks, cardiac care of various forms and the rest (triage not really caring about whether your stupidity caused it as much as limited resources, beds and medic time being prominent among those, and allocation thereof.
Weight is actually contagious -- socially contagious is contagious (and there is a reason suicide is not glorified/widely reported and when people mistake shopping mall for shooting gallery that many trick cyclist types will say maybe don't plaster it on the news as cool), and depending upon what goes for the microbiome (see fecal transplants from fat donors) then in the more classical biological sense as well (though transmission rates for that one are rather lower).
Fat phobia? You say it like it is a bad thing. Fat people should get thin and should be aided in doing so by medics. It is without question to me the greatest medical issue facing the world today, so much stems from it and will be caused by it.
As far as classism? Not sure how you got to that one (afford counts as many more things than that -- if you have not got the time to raise your spawn then you can be billionaire CEO for all I care I will call you stupid -- had more than a few trust fund morons make my life hard, and possibly mroe than I have kids from breeders on the estates, indeed said breeder spawn generally form the basis of most of my workforce as they are ones to have actually done something/learned how to use tools before they come to me). Though if we are having a state the needless thing then I would note poverty (of which having kids you can't afford, they are the price of about half a house over similar timeframes in most cases to raise, is a great aspect of that) as being a far bigger issue than any other ist or ism you care to name. Got that in many posts around here as well if it matters.