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    But as my Friend @notimp said,cheer up. laughing.gif

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    Update for the next "Lockdown" Phase with Monday (funny,they say with Monday,but on the "Rule Board" with the new "Restrictions it says December 7th....I think THAT says all about our "Corona Situation" in Austria....)
    This Restrictions will be expected until Januar 7 2021

    - Shops are open now (Masks mandatory of course..)
    - still "Curfew" from 20:00h to 6:00h (8 pm to 6 am)

    For this here it is again a little "Kabarett":

    Logical to the highest degree - Corona also makes Christmas Holiday.....


    - Gastronomy is closed - allowed is Food Pickup from 6 am to 7 pm
    - Food Delivery Service around the Clock
    - absolute forbidden is "Punschausschank" to People (Christmas Punch) - this will be controlled very strong !!

    - Schools and Kindergardens are now at "Full Capacity" again.Children ages 10 Years - Mask Mandatory during Learning.
    - Upper Schools and Universities continue to be operated by distance learning.
    - The only Exception: Matura classes are allowed to return to Schools.

    For the Kindergarten a little Side Note:
    My Wife told me yesterday,they where "recommended" to go to the Mass Tests.
    For this,you have to go to a Website (last Night for Hours offline by the Way..too much Traffic...)
    and "register" yourself.Then she have to Drive to the next "Testtown" (for her 45 km - drive there and back again makes 90 km).
    And it is "unclear" but very likely she has to do this in her FREE TIME....but not 100% confirmed...

    In her Kindergarten are 6 Groups each with 1 Pedagogue and 1 Helper.
    1 Cleaning Helper and 1 "Special" Pedagogue.
    Actual are 2 People "missing" - because of Sickness.:rofl2:
    Nope,no Corona.

    If only ONE Test is positive,then the Supergau (translated with "Meltdown" ??) is expected to occur...
    Happy Christmas Time for all little Kids..... 1111xmas_wink.gif



    ...oh and I forget:

    Quarantine after entry.
    As of December 19, a quarantine obligation applies to those entering Austria.
    It is planned to classify the risk areas on the basis of the 14-day incidence of positive coronavirus cases.
    All countries with a value higher than 100 are classified as risk areas - currently all neighboring countries of Austria are included.
    People entering from a risk area must go into quarantine for ten days.
    Free testing is possible after five days using a PCR test.
    There should be exceptions for business travelers and commuters, for example.
    The regulation will apply until January 10th, the main goal here is the Orthodox Christmas festival on January 7th.

    And Austrians is forbidden to leave the Country,by the Way....:rofl2:






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    You have to. :)

    Never heard of this?

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    "A Christmas Truce between Opposing Trenches" Illustrated by AC Michael. Published in The Illustrated London News, January 9, 1915.

    :)

    edit: see: https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/christmas-truce-of-1914

    If you cant allow one day of 'escaping reality' once in a while, whats the point. :) You are dealing with humans, and the goal to hit is long term. Stay safe. :)
     
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    The Point is - They do not have to wear Masks.:rofl2:
     
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    Thank you.I am very happy,that we have People like Wolf.:)

    I do not understand how People can listen to this "Laughing Stock" from Cancellor....
    Everytime he opens his Mouth,"something" comes out (like the "Gold Donkey" in the Fairy Tale...)..
    But not Gold.....

    Unbevlievable,how he "fools" us Austrians....
    I know,why I usually avoid such "TV Shows" and Interviews....:rofl2:
     
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    A very true Statement:

     
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    WHO advises wearing Masks....

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has advised wearing protective masks at family gatherings at Christmas and during the holidays to prevent infections with the coronavirus.
    "That makes a major contribution to ensuring that everyone stays safe and healthy," the organization announced on Wednesday.
    She admitted that wearing a mask around family members would certainly feel strange...

    No na,ned....

    (No not a bit...)

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    Now it starts to getting really "Hitler" like again:

    People who are "refuse" the Antigen Test where now "marked" with FFP2 Masks.
    Also "locked" 1 Week longer at Home as the "tested" People in January 2021
    The Police is ordered to control the wearing of the Masks....

    And now......next Step - a "Bar Code" printed/tattoed on the Head for Vaccine Refusers.....?

    ....a clear Violation of the Austrian Constitutional Law....
    and it IS unconstitutional once again
    Our Government is really gone too far this Time.....
     
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    Bravo and Applause. bravo.gif clap.gif

    https://orf.at/stories/3197145/

    Expert urges rapid action The British CoV mutation B.1.1.7 is likely to have already spread in Austria. 70 suspected cases are currently being examined. Complexity researcher Peter Klimek warns ORF.at that the time window for countermeasures is closing quickly. He advocates regional restrictions of movement based on the German model and better test options at home. The lockdown, which has been in force since December 26, has so far not led to a sustainable reduction in the number of cases.

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    Lockdown is officially extended until 24th January 2021

    How long do the Gentlemen want to lock us up ? Next Month too ? Next 3 Months ? The whole Year 2021 ?
    (I really hope the Vaccination "Experts" and "Fanatics" slowly realize - the Virus can´t be controlled....but that is nothing bad........can we really control Flu for Example ?)


    Time to go to the next Demo in my Neighborhood - of course WITHOUT that :shit: Mask.
    And after that in the next OPENED "Wirtshaus" (Pub) for a cold Beer.

    Some can maybe comfortable wait,when Vaccination is successful and when the Virus is "no longer Dangerous" for Mankind....have a very,very nice Time in "permanent" Lockdown....:)

    For myself: I let myself be fooled for almost a Year...:)
     
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    These lockdowns will ultimately and negatively affect most the average citizens and small business owners, but some have the Lockdown Stockholm Syndrome so let them realize in their own way.
     
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    Wow - they are really panicked about 3 % from the Population in Austria...

    https://orf.at/stories/3197552/

    Large demonstrations against measures expected in Vienna Several rallies against the CoV measures have been registered for today in Vienna. Up to 30,000 people could take part. Heavy traffic obstructions are expected in the federal capital. Interior Minister Karl Nehammer (ÖVP) warned against “radical groups”.

    Warning from BVT expert

    The anti-coronavirus movement is causing the head of the BVT's extremism department "massive worries". She sees the potential for activities that endanger the state, she said in one of the very rare interviews of the intelligence agencies to the "Kurier" (Saturday edition). She didn't even want to rule out terrorist attacks, “maybe not today or tomorrow, but maybe the day after tomorrow”.

    Two to three percent of the population would be enough to bring a state into serious trouble, warned the long-time expert at the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and Counter Terrorism. The movement - made up of objectors to the state, the “QAnon” group, right-wing extremist and sometimes also left-wing extremist circles - which also has strong connections to the “lateral thinkers” in Germany and the identities, is only just growing.


    "Warn against underestimating that"

    “There are many subjective feelings, for example about personal negative experiences. And there is a manageable scene of state objectors who mobilize very strongly in Austria, mainly through various online groups. There is then the potential for dissatisfied citizens who let themselves be convinced and go along with them, ”said the extremism expert.

    The investigators are also concerned that right-wing extremists have been infiltrating the movement since spring. Only recently was a huge weapons depot with explosives discovered in this area. At the same time, coronavirus opponents are calling on the Internet to attack guard rooms and public buildings. “I warn against underestimating this in any way,” says the head of the extremism unit. It is "a mixture of everything that can discharge at any time".
     
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    Well they have the shining example of the US now... ;) That said, and although it turned out not to matter the last time - Nehammers use of words isnt always very exact, and he is know to resort to hyperbole once in a while.

    Also the BVT has been criticized in the recent past for not being on top of things, so maybe - some agencies are overcompensating a little - to get back clout.

    Who knows.

    That said, first time in a while I heard the state warn against violence connected with right wing extremism.
     
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    No worries,the Demos are "halb so wild"....(harmless...)

    https://wien.orf.at/stories/3085165/

    A Few 100 People...furthermore:

    Am Heldenplatz gilt wegen der Kundgebungen teilweise ein Platzverbot..
    (The Sense of this Sentence is glorious)

    At Heldenplatz there is a partial ban on the rallies.


    And also the "Numbers" are still/again/again still/still again too high so....:evil:

    https://orf.at/stories/3197576/

    Herr Wagner said:
    "General lockdown without exceptions"...

    Well we're looking forward to it...:D
     
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    Yeah, the mismanagement is obvious by now (not necessarily in the parts where it mattered to a large extent (just unsure, not that I definitely know) - aside from the impact school openings had, maybe (for wider parts of society), but still), and public approval for the entire administration is sinking.

    (Mass tests were done to find clusters in the population you didnt find before - but then they werent that well attended (might not have reached those clusters), and cities like Vienna already did those mass tests anyhow (in hotspots, so mostly coordinating with peoples workplaces where deemed 'needed'), to have them was decided without much rampup time, so the organization effort then, reduced the organization effort on coordinating the beginning vaccination drive (not that that would matter to younger folks like us, or in terms of mass immunity yet) - which was a small PR disaster in how it was handled publicly in the first days, getting tested to be able to participate in further activities ("freitesten") probably will not have the greatest adoption but was championed pretty strongly, and the public recommendation of FFP2 masks, which later turned into "well we dont actually have them in mass quantities...", was copied from Bavaria and is an outright disaster (because it splits the population into haves and have nots) - but at least the signal got out there, that now might be a good time to get them for your old folks (mutations (from northern africa and GB), ...)
     
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    Remember the Thread Tile ?

    Now they make it "vice versa" give many,many Companies definitely the "Fatal Blow".
    January was the most "Top Selling" Month in the last Years.

    https://orf.at/stories/3197660/

    Government announces extension

    It is fixed: The “hard” lockdown will be extended until February 7th.
    The government announced this at a press conference on Sunday morning.
    In order to prevent the spread of the coronavirus - and especially the new virus variant B.1.1.7 - the government is also relying on an FFP2 mask requirement in retail and public transport as well as increasing the minimum distance from one to two Meter.

    FPÖ Norbert Hofer says it completely correct:

    "The People would no longer understand the measures and therefore showed increased "civil disobedience".
    Hofer did not see a good Sunday for Austria in a press conference.
    Experts should definitely be listened to, but also “all experts”, he said, referring to the social effects of the lockdown.



    That is the height of Insolence:

    "In view of the extended lockdown, Finance Minister Gernot Blümel (ÖVP) today announced a cancellation bonus - in addition to the fixed cost subsidy and loss compensation. This should replace sales of up to 60,000 euros per month. In addition, the hardship fund will be extended until June."


    There are still many,many,many "Companies" who still not got their financial "promised" Help from last Year......
    (Myself got it on December 2020......called Corona Hilfszahlung....near half of the Amount went back/was withdrawn to the State for "tax purposes"....is there anything else to say?... )
     
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    FFP2 masks are now (starting on the 25th of january mandatory in austria for everyone in retail stores, public transport and public buildings.

    So they obviously think, that allocation wont be a problem.

    Stores are selling them without a profit margin, and people on low income are getting them free of cost (as to how, dont know - probably through administrative barriers).

    On Amazon if you order them in high quantities, they are currently available for about 1 EUR per mask - also amazon will do the usual "free prime for 30 days, dont forget to cancel (;) )", as they do for all medical products that are of importance to public health (they do the same, if (probably you match a certain order profile and... ) you order a blood pressure meter f.e.).

    Just fyi, normally dont like to go the easy route, and especially dont want to shill for amazon, but this time cognitive "I dont event want to have to..." was big enough, that I ordered them there.

    Amazon info should be valid for people in the regions around germany at least.

    Lockdown is extended until February 8th (thats another two weeks),

    and holding a distance of two meters is now mandatory (where enforceable).

    So if you are from Austria, act now, otherwise 'embarrassment' a week from now, when you cant get into stores...

    https://www.derstandard.at/story/20...-verlaengerte-lockdown-bis-7-februar-bedeutet (german)

    edit: Children are exempt from having to wear FFP2 masks. (Would have to be smaller, are probably produced in lower quantities - are - harder to breath through, get damp within two hours of wearing them - so no touching them, ...)
     
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    ....and the most important Thing:

    After this additonal Lockdown and of course the Vaccination all will good.:rolleyes:


    Hopefully the Danish COVID Mutation Version C1.1.8d plays along with that.....
    And the Spanish Version F1.2.7h then also "look away"....:P





    @notimp Thanks my Friend,I already got a Package FFP2´s from Amazon last Month.:)

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    You never know, even though I have been shopping with my Underpants on my Face since today ...:rofl2:
     
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    Current outlook - another 'everything gets relaxed (kinda back to normal)' in summer, and vaccination reaches most of society until winter (which in Austria is feasible). Problems: Mutations, immunity 'wearing off' so in the long run you are probably looking at repeat vaccination drives.


    edit: Additional information on FFP2 mask wearing (german):
    https://www.br.de/nachrichten/wissen/ffp2-maske-wiederverwenden-das-muessen-sie-beachten,SLtTh6n
    https://www.br.de/nachrichten/wissen/barttraeger-und-ffp2-masken-eine-haarige-angelegenheit,SM9Zq7P
    https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ...A_Anwendungsfehler.pdf?__blob=publicationFile


    edit2: If you want to buy austrian made masks:

    https://www.aventriumhealthcare.com/aventrium-ffp2-n95-kn95
    https://www.aventriumhealthcare.com/aventrium-ffp2-slim

    to buy them, currently you can still google for

    aventrium shop site:.at

    see: https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000123395913/griss-um-ffp2-masken-im-lebensmittelhandel

    Currently they are priced at 2 Eur per mask.
     
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