Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

Lacius · Feb 14, 2021

Iamapirate said:
He literally told people to peacefully march to the Capitol.

Monster!

He instigated an insurrection against the Capitol. He spent months spewing lies about widespread voter fraud, attempted to coerce state officials into arbitrarily changing election results, and attempted to use a mob attack on the Capitol as leverage to not certify the votes.

In response to pleas from the Capitol in the middle of the attack, he said, "I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are." We have videos of Trump enjoying watching the violence on TV when it was happening. When Trump was told Pence was in imminent danger in the middle of the mob attack, Trump tweeted attacks against Pence.

Please don't be disingenuous. Trump may have been acquitted because conviction requires 2/3 of the Senate to vote to convict, but don't confuse that with thinking Trump isn't guilty of what I just listed. Bipartisan majorities in the House and Senate agree.

FAST6191 · Feb 14, 2021

Lacius said:
It takes a certain kind of privilege to not see the need for civil and political action in order to solve systemic issues. Many of these politicians do actually care.

Are you back to this privilege lark?

I thought we already established that I thought it about as relevant and real as the bogeyman. If you seek to shame me then not going to work. If you seek to persuade me of some alternative understanding of causes, actions and reactions then doing the philosophical equivalent of saying Jupiter is in on the ascendant is also going to be equally unhelpful. At very best those that believe in the concept might consider me uncouth and pat you on the head saying good boy, which I would say is fairly pointless vs being able to make a convincing case or persuade me otherwise.

It would be nice if politicos did manage to take some action to solve a problem -- theoretically those without a vested interest in having to make all the money or figure out where their person (or maybe their family's next meal and maybe the meals for next year) were coming from could dispassionately allocate funds, time and talent to doing things that those purely concerned with monetary gain and social clout would find if not goes against their purposes then at least does not further them. The practical realities however see much of that pissed away on corruption, idiocy and the like, and the setups in place as well as basic human nature, biology, economics and physics mean that is all but inevitable. That changes very little with the colour of their tie either, both historically and presently (for as much as states rights is a joke to me then both parties have political strongholds that in many ways amount to a fiefdom all their own with almost total power). Most of the actions are automatic and done either way with marginal net differences, or occasionally making things worse when meddling to say "I helped".

urherenow · Feb 14, 2021

WeedZ said:
You wanna maybe read my post again and see if you can actually understand my arguement? Cause you're just reiterating my point of hypocrisy.

Fyi, I blame mitch mcconnell for lack of covid relief.

Then FYI, you still have no clue how this works. The HOUSE controls the purse strings. In this regard, the Senate and POTUS are nothing more than sanity checks. Mitch has zero to do with what the house puts on paper (except to vote it down), so If you could blame a single person, it’s Pelosi. Period. It was either pass the damn bill or shut down the government. That was the choice.

Valwinz · Feb 14, 2021

someone call old man joe we need the army here Failed to fetch tweet https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1360883827212705792

Foxi4 · Feb 14, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
Significantly more, especially from (of course) police.
Peaceful BLM protest? Fucking gas them so that the Almighty Donald can take a photo-op with a backwards, upside-down Bible.
Violent insurrectionist riot? Eh, just let them waltz on in and literally write on the walls of the Capitol dome IN THEIR OWN PISS AND SHIT.

To be fair, 50+ members of the Secret Service have been wounded during the June protests in Washington and DC was on fire. Witnesses say that rioters were throwing rocks and *molotov cocktails* at law enforcement officers, the possibility of injury or death was very real.

KingVamp said:
Except he wasn't right about statehood. Making DC a state doesn't mean completely taking away the federal territory, just making it smaller.

Half-truth. The 100-square mile seat of government, which is currently situated in the city of Washington, can move locations if needed and territory can be ceded or taken from neighbouring states, but it is not eligible for statehood. The lines on the map can change, the status cannot.

WeedZ · Feb 14, 2021

urherenow said:
Then FYI, you still have no clue how this works. The HOUSE controls the purse strings. In this regard, the Senate and POTUS are nothing more than sanity checks. Mitch has zero to do with what the house puts on paper (except to vote it down), so If you could blame a single person, it’s Pelosi. Period. It was either pass the damn bill or shut down the government. That was the choice.

How is it Pelosi to blame when its mitch that sits on the bill for months on end or votes against it when it comes to vote? Here's the thing. With whatever special interest you feel were included in the original, it also gave more money to individual Americans. Are you so against social interest that doesnt pertain to you personally that you are willing to put you and I in greater hardship just to make sure "they" don't get any? Thats psychotic.

If you get enough money to get by at a regular frequency, what business is it of yours where the rest goes? At least the special interest were for noble causes. The Republicans kept sitting on those bills until we average Americans got less and they got their special interest through. Mostly bailouts for billionaires. In fact they got 637 billion dollars richer and you got 600 instead of 2k. Feel better?

Valwinz · Feb 14, 2021

The official story about 1/6 is that thousands of right wing lunatics converged to overthrow our democracy but they all accidentally forgot their guns at home that day.

WeedZ · Feb 14, 2021

Valwinz said:
The official story about 1/6 is that thousands of right wing lunatics converged to overthrow our democracy but they all accidentally forgot their guns at home that day.

You have a nack for pointing out the irrelevant. What does it matter if they had guns or not if they brought other weapons and still managed to kill people. You think maybe it would have been too difficult, or would have given them away, trying to get through airport gates, rally checkpoints, and capital checkpoints with firearms?

Valwinz · Feb 14, 2021

WeedZ said:
You have a nack for pointing out the irrelevant. What does it matter if they had guns or not if they brought other weapons and still managed to kill people. You think maybe it would have been too difficult, or would have given them away, trying to get through airport gates, rally checkpoints, and capital checkpoints with firearms?

he mom gonna go overthrow the most power nation in the planet keep my tendies warm

WeedZ · Feb 14, 2021

Valwinz said:
he mom gonna go overthrow the most power nation in the planet keep my tendies warm

Still using that fallacy that because they suck at insurrection they arent guilty of it. An idiot can try to rob a bank with a nerf gun, get laughed out of the bank, and still do 10 years. Id stop trying to use incompetence as a defence. Youre just adding embarrassment. No one here is claiming this group consisted of smart people.

Purple_Shyguy · Feb 14, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
Hmm, I wonder why anyone would call him racist... Maybe because his platform, from the start, was founded on racism and xenophobia?

You're deflecting. Was it racist for him to restrict travel from China when the virus was first blowing up? No. Yet he was called racist.

Was he right in what he did? Reminder Biden just stopped travel from Africa for the same thing.

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Lacius said:
He instigated an insurrection against the Capitol. He spent months spewing lies about widespread voter fraud, attempted to coerce state officials into arbitrarily changing election results, and attempted to use a mob attack on the Capitol as leverage to not certify the votes.

In response to pleas from the Capitol in the middle of the attack, he said, "I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are." We have videos of Trump enjoying watching the violence on TV when it was happening. When Trump was told Pence was in imminent danger in the middle of the mob attack, Trump tweeted attacks against Pence.

Please don't be disingenuous. Trump may have been acquitted because conviction requires 2/3 of the Senate to vote to convict, but don't confuse that with thinking Trump isn't guilty of what I just listed. Bipartisan majorities in the House and Senate agree.

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Lacius · Feb 14, 2021

Purple_Shyguy said:
You're deflecting. Was it racist for him to restrict travel from China when the virus was first blowing up? No. Yet he was called racist.

Was he right in what he did? Reminder Biden just stopped travel from Africa for the same thing.

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The only president impeached twice. The only president to lose the popular vote twice.

For comparison, Obama won the popular vote twice and was never impeached.

Plasmaster09 · Feb 14, 2021

Purple_Shyguy said:
You're deflecting. Was it racist for him to restrict travel from China when the virus was first blowing up? No. Yet he was called racist.

Was he right in what he did? Reminder Biden just stopped travel from Africa for the same thing.

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How am I deflecting?
When someone does and says racist things, and then does something that could be perceived as racist, it's a lot more likely that it IS racist than if the person was one that hadn't done racist shit prior.
Besides, Trump showed nigh-complete apathy for the nation regarding the pandemic at that point, so I highly doubt he actually did it out of a concern for health/safety.

Iamapirate said:
You can go the other way as well. You can say the claims made against Trump are overblown and vindictive because Democrats were mad they lost the election of 16.

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1. Even if you think Trump is bad, calling him the worst is asinine and just goes to show you know little about American history. Hell, Trump followed Obama who is arguably worse depending on your perspective, and Bush who is certainly worse.

2. Bringing up concerns regarding election integrity is stealing an election?

Excuse me, what Olympic-level mental gymnastics did you do to deem Obama anywhere near as bad as Trump, let alone worse?
Obama didn't do anything within an order of magnitude as bad as basically any of what Trump's done.
Heck, even Nixon, the go-to name to drop for "corrupt president", was both less corrupt and more competent!
Also... Trump didn't just "bring up concerns". He spent months lying about the results claiming that he won and it was somehow stolen from him (and he started doing so before the counting even fucking finished), TO THIS DAY refuses to admit that Biden's win was legitimate, and told his supporters things that amount to "bad man Joe stole my win, fight Congress to get it back for me plz thx".

smf · Feb 14, 2021

Iamapirate said:
1. Even if you think Trump is bad, calling him the worst is asinine and just goes to show you know little about American history. Hell, Trump followed Obama who is arguably worse depending on your perspective, and Bush who is certainly worse.

Which other president has cared as little for the people who didn't vote for him & caused division to meet his own ends?

Deleted member 414991 · Feb 14, 2021

I don't think you can reasonably call trump the worst president in history, though he's up there, because of presidents like Jackson, Buchanan, and Reagan, but relative to the norms of his time period imo he's the worst.

smf · Feb 14, 2021

Valwinz said:
The official story about 1/6 is that thousands of right wing lunatics converged to overthrow our democracy but they all accidentally forgot their guns at home that day.

They were too busy looking for a noose for Mike Pence.

Purple_Shyguy said:
You're deflecting. Was it racist for him to restrict travel from China when the virus was first blowing up? No. Yet he was called racist.

Maybe if he hadn't spent so much time trying convince everyone not to worry about covid 19 then people wouldn't question his motives for shutting down travel from China. He also doesn't have an excuse for all the racist shit pre-covid.

jupitteer said:
I don't think you can reasonably call trump the worst president in history, though he's up there, because of presidents like Jackson, Buchanan, and Reagan, but relative to the norms of his time period imo he's the worst.

I don't think Reagan was as bad, even Jackson didn't dodge military service by paying a doctor off.

If you look back on past presidents and judge them by today's standards then he has some competition for worst, but that is like cancelling people because of a 10 year old tweet or facebook post. The fact he would still be in the running is a huge failure.

Plasmaster09 said:
before the counting even fucking finished),

Before he does anything he claims it's rigged if he loses, anyone who believes him is dumb as fuck(*). Trump lies about things being rigged so much it would make me question if Biden actually came out and said that he, Bill Gates and the Jewish space laser guys had rigged the election and explained how they did it.

Trump is the boy who cried wolf.

(*) I feel sorry for you if you believe him, but it doesn't change it.

Foxi4 · Feb 14, 2021

jupitteer said:
I don't think you can reasonably call trump the worst president in history, though he's up there, because of presidents like Jackson, Buchanan, and Reagan, but relative to the norms of his time period imo he's the worst.

Reagan is up there at the pearly gates lowering property tax on ethereal estate and smiling.

Valwinz said:
he mom gonna go overthrow the most power nation in the planet keep my tendies warm

Okay son, but be back before curfew and don't get in trouble or you're grounded, mister!

KingVamp · Feb 14, 2021

Foxi4 said:
Half-truth. The 100-square mile seat of government, which is currently situated in the city of Washington, can move locations if needed and territory can be ceded or taken from neighbouring states, but it is not eligible for statehood. The lines on the map can change, the status cannot.

I feel like this is all in semantics. So, to make it simple, people want to reduce the federal territory to make room for a new state called DC. AKA the Douglass Commonwealth.

Foxi4 · Feb 14, 2021

KingVamp said:
I feel like this is all in semantics. So, to make it simple, people want to reduce the federal territory to make room for a new state called DC. AKA the Douglass Commonwealth.

...and they can't because the territory would have to be returned to the states it originally belonged to while the minimum amount of space, the 100 square miles that *have* to be dedicated to the Capitol, are not eligible for statehood. Think of it as renting an apartment. Once the tenant moves out, the original owner of the property takes over. The house doesn't get sold again - it already has an owner, it was simply inhabited by a third party temporarily on the basis of an agreement. This isn't even a "what if", there's historical precedent for this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_Washington,_D.C.

In 1864 31 square miles of District of Columbia were returned to the state of Virginia due to retrocession. The remainder of the territory, in the event of shrinking DC, would go to Maryland.

Hanafuda · Feb 14, 2021

smf said:
I don't think Reagan was as bad, even Jackson didn't dodge military service by paying a doctor off.

Are we talking about Trump, or Biden now?

Like Trump, Biden got multiple medical deferments (more than Trump did) to stay out of Vietnam. Biden's medical claim was he had asthma. Biden was a football player, and lifeguard.

Not saying Trump didn't squirt out of the draft in the 60's. He did.

But Biden did too.

Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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