Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[KingVamp]

while the minimum amount of space, the 100 square miles that *have* to be dedicated to the Capitol,

Where do you see a minimum?

...and they can't because the territory would have to be returned to the states it originally belonged

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_Washington,_D.C.

In 1864 31 square miles of District of Columbia were returned to the state of Virginia due to retrocession. The remainder of the territory, in the event of shrinking DC, would go to Maryland.

Where does it said that land must be retrocessed? Just because there was a retrocession of land, doesn't mean that land can't be turned into state instead. Maryland doesn't even want DC.

 

[Foxi4]

Where do you see a minimum?

Where does it said that land must be retrocessed? Just because there was a retrocession of land, doesn't mean that land can't be turned into state instead. Maryland doesn't even want DC.

What they want doesn't really matter. The size of DC was set in the 1790 Residence Act. The 10x10 square miles size is set in the Constitution, Article I § 8.17. I quote.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; and Seat of Government.

I've mistakenly remembered it as a minimum, but it is in fact a maximum, and a sensible one. Tl;dr, the land was donated by Maryland and the size of the Seat of Government is set in the Constitution. If the space is vacated, it returns to Maryland whether Maryland wants it or not, barring some kind of extraordinary action by both the Federal and the State government. In complete theory you could reduce the size of the Seat of Government to just the general area of the White House and the Capitol, but a 10x10 miles square is already fairly small and I don't see a reason to shrink it any further. That land, whatever shape and location it might be at any given time, is de facto, constitutionally, ineligible for statehood.

 

[rensenware]

i have a policy of completely avoiding reagan enjoyers, so i will take my leave goodbye

 

[tabzer]

If Trump was a democrat, I'd loathe him with just as much vitriol for doing as much as he could to ruin our country for the sake of himself and himself only.
If Trump was a democrat, you'd probably turn on a pin and start hating him too.
Try bipartisan hatred, it's a lot more fun. People in your party are capable of doing stupid shit too! VERY capable!
On my side, you have people like Elizabeth Warren that bafflingly sided with the hedge funds and rich fuckers during the Stonks War, showing that they don't really have a grasp of who is and is not financially corrupt here.
On your side, you have literal neo-nazis, a House Rep that thinks the California wildfires were started by secret Jewish space-lasers and a former President that literally called all negative coverage of him "fake" and refused to admit his own election loss.

You missed my point, completely.

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To make it clear that trying to overthrow the results of an election with false claims of voter fraud and instigating an armed insurrection are unacceptable behavior.

He won by a landslide. Also:



It looks like your media instigated the "armed insurrection" with fake Trump footage.

 

[Foxi4]

i have a policy of completely avoiding reagan enjoyers, so i will take my leave goodbye

Reagan had a 52% approval rating and is universally revered among fiscal conservatives, you must be avoiding large swathes of people in your day-to-day. Don't worry, you might dislike him, but he winks at you from the skies above and makes sure your tax returns never get lost in the mail.

 

[Xzi]

Reagan had a 52% approval rating

HAD being the key word here. Not only did his mind turn to mush while he was still president, dude did a ton of illegal and super racist shit. With the retrospective of time, nobody should view the man as a saint. They're just nostalgic for the era of free-flowing coke and unchecked stock market gains.

 

[Foxi4]

They're just nostalgic for the era of free-flowing coke and unchecked stock market gains.

...what is the process for nominating a new saint, and how do I put in my vote?

 

[Xzi]

...what is the process for nominating a new saint, and how do I put in my vote?

...For the few anyway. For the masses it was free-flowing crack/police brutality and unchecked mass death overseas. We're still living with the after-effects of "Reaganomics," aka corporate rule, but those aren't near as fun, even for the elites and yuppies.

 

[Valwinz]

3,589 Americans died from Covid yesterday while the President of the United States played Mario Kart. https://t.co/Rid8fd3pqJ

— Breanna Morello (@BreannaMorello) February 14, 2021

 

[KingVamp]

What they want doesn't really matter. The size of DC was set in the 1790 Residence Act. The 10x10 square miles size is set in the Constitution, Article I § 8.17. I quote.

I've mistakenly remembered it as a minimum, but it is in fact a maximum, and a sensible one.

So, there is no minimum.

Tl;dr, the land was donated by Maryland and the size of the Seat of Government is set in the Constitution. If the space is vacated, it returns to Maryland whether Maryland wants it or not, barring some kind of extraordinary action by both the Federal and the State government. In complete theory you could reduce the size of the Seat of Government to just the general area of the White House and the Capitol, but a 10x10 miles square is already fairly small and I don't see a reason to shrink it any further. That land, whatever shape and location it might be at any given time, is de facto, constitutionally, ineligible for statehood.

Doesn't say anything about automatic retrocession and even if it did, Maryland already said they don't want DC. So, I don't know why they would suddenly change their mind, if automatic retrocession was actually a thing. Shrinking it further will give more people better representation. Seems like a good enough reason for me. Then it is a good thing that the people that are asking for statehood, aren't asking to completely remove the federal land.

 

[Deleted User]

https://twitter.com/breannamorello/status/1360938789934419970

low effort post, meet low effort response
who the hell is supposed to be biden in that video? I'm sorry but I just don't see it.

 

[KingVamp]

low effort post, meet low effort response
who the hell is supposed to be biden in that video? I'm sorry but I just don't see it.

Should have been no response.

 

[Deleted User]

Should have been no response.

fair.

Well I am genuinely curious, since non of them looks like Biden, and the quality of the video is so low I'm questioning if it was taken on a 2008 phone, which in this day in age is really unrealistic.

 

[smf]

Biden's medical claim was he had asthma. Biden was a football player, and lifeguard.

Both can be true. Did the doctor who diagnosed Biden's asthma rent offices from Biden's dad?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html

 

[Lacius]

You missed my point, completely.

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He won by a landslide. Also:



It looks like your media instigated the "armed insurrection" with fake Trump footage.

Donald Trump lost both the popular vote and the electoral college in 2020. It wasn't even close.

Trump also lost the popular vote in 2016.

 

[smf]

low effort post, meet low effort response
who the hell is supposed to be biden in that video? I'm sorry but I just don't see it.

Obviously Biden should be playing golf, not mario kart.

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He won by a landslide.

Your dictionary is broken, it has an incorrect definition of "won"

 

[Foxi4]

So, there is no minimum.


Doesn't say anything about automatic retrocession and even if it did, Maryland already said they don't want DC. So, I don't know why they would suddenly change their mind, if automatic retrocession was actually a thing. Shrinking it further will give more people better representation. Seems like a good enough reason for me. Then it is a good thing that the people that are asking for statehood, aren't asking to completely remove the federal land.

My point was that regardless of how you organise the new border, not all of Washington is eligible to become a state. There will always be an assigned area for the seat of government because the constitution rightfully secures one. I never said that the borders can't move - they do move and have moved in the past. As for how automatic the process is, upon vacating a territory it de facto returns to its previous owner, so to speak. Whether Maryland wants it or not, it would be a whole separate matter to settle. The formation of a new state is no easy task, there's a number of U.S. territories that are yet to be recognised as states, and have been pursuing statehood for years. You have to create a whole new state government, new state-level law enforcement, codify state law, it's not something you just come up with on a whim. Is it possible? Sure, theoretically, as long as we're talking about a partial conversion, which is why I called your statement "half true". As it stands, District of Columbia is ineligible for statehood, my opinion has not changed. The legal framework for its existence is codified and the historical precedent in regards to land ownership is set. If the federal government wishes to vacate any territory, they would necessarily return it to whatever state has originally ceded it - it can't be no man's land until the citizens of Washington decide to do something about it, that's silly. You can't have the capitol of the country surrounded by a void.

 

[smf]

HAD being the key word here. Not only did his mind turn to mush while he was still president, dude did a ton of illegal and super racist shit. With the retrospective of time, nobody should view the man as a saint. They're just nostalgic for the era of free-flowing coke and unchecked stock market gains.

I find it hard to judge people for their past actions, when at the time everyone thought it was great.

Trump should have known, but either he was either diagnosably delusional or such a giant douche bag that he acted in a way that he knew was fundamentally wrong but didn't give a shit.

it can't be no man's land until the citizens of Washington decide to do something about it, that's silly. You can't have the capitol of the country surrounded by a void.

None of the problems are insummountable. It's kinda interesting when Trump wanted to do all amount of despicable shit & people said you can't do this or that, his supporters were "just watch us".

As soon as it's something you don't like, it's all "wahwahwah, it's so unfair you can't do that"

 

[Plasmaster09]

I find it hard to judge people for their past actions, when at the time everyone thought it was great.

Trump should have known, but either he was either diagnosably delusional or such a giant douche bag that he acted in a way that he knew was fundamentally wrong but didn't give a shit.



None of the problems are insummountable. It's kinda interesting when Trump wanted to do all amount of despicable shit & people said you can't do this or that, his supporters were "just watch us".

As soon as it's something you don't like, it's all "wahwahwah, it's so unfair you can't do that"

Reagan is dubious, but Trump is unequivocally a complete and utter bag of dicks.

 

[Foxi4]

None of the problems are insummountable. It's kinda interesting when Trump wanted to do all amount of despicable shit & people said you can't do this or that, his supporters were "just watch us".

As soon as it's something you don't like, it's all "wahwahwah, it's so unfair you can't do that"

I don't have any particular issue with the general area becoming a state as long as DC stays independent. No one state should have an outsized influence on the rest of the union, and being the state that is also the seat of government and thus effectively in charge of federal law, as well as the military, is one surefire way to destabilise it. The electoral college already automatically rebalances the level of power each state has in general elections, so the number of states participating in the union is immaterial to me. I'm simply insisting that the 10x10 area surrounding the White House and the Capitol specifically cannot and should not become an individual state - it should be independent, neutral ground.