Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[Plasmaster09]

I don't have any particular issue with the general area becoming a state as long as DC stays independent. No one state should have an outsized influence on the rest of the union, and being the state that is also the seat of government and thus effectively in charge of federal law, as well as the military, is one surefire way to destabilise it. The electoral college already automatically rebalances the level of power each state has in general elections, so the number of states participating in the union is immaterial to me. I'm simply insisting that the 10x10 area surrounding the White House and the Capitol specifically cannot and should not become an individual state - it should be independent, neutral ground.

I'd say the best thing to do for this is a compromise- give it some of the powers a state has, whichever ones would be sufficient to prevent stuff like the Fraudulent Insurrection from happening again, but nothing that would give it an unfair power advantage.

He won by a landslide.

From a certain definition of "he", yes.
Biden not only trounced the treasonous trouser-snake that is Trump, he did so so powerfully that all the Trumpers that would have been excited for a tyrannical Round Two weren't the only ones receiving some solid blue clusters in their south.

 

[Foxi4]

I'd say the best thing to do for this is a compromise- give it some of the powers a state has, whichever ones would be sufficient to prevent stuff like the Fraudulent Insurrection from happening again, but nothing that would give it an unfair power advantage.

The compromise is following the constitution, the default law of the land. If you wish to change the constitution, you will need overwhelming support from other states, there's a pre-existing framework for submitting amendments. I am of the opinion that the capitol of the United States should be neutral ground where representatives from all states decide upon the policy that they will all follow, as well as deciding upon any and all military action. It should have zero power in isolation, it doesn't need a state government, it is the seat of *the* government, that's power enough, and that power is shared. The founders came up with a compromise already.

 

[KingVamp]

it can't be no man's land until the citizens of Washington decide to do something about it, that's silly. You can't have the capitol of the country surrounded by a void.

Everything else aside, of course there wouldn't just be a void. lol Only If and when statehood passes, will that part of the land will be given up. The bill already outlines what to do as things transition.

 

[Foxi4]

Everything else aside, of course there wouldn't just be a void. lol Only If and when statehood passes, will that part of the land will be given up. The bill already outlines what to do as things transition.

The way I see it, any support for DC's statehood is rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of what the United States are. It's a union of otherwise independent states that agreed to work together and federalise under one federal government which happens to govern from an area that belongs to no state in particular. It is not a conventional setup, it's a federal republic - it's more similar to the European Union than it is to any other country in particular, except the EU doesn't have its own law enforcement or standing army, at least not yet.

 

[Xzi]

I find it hard to judge people for their past actions, when at the time everyone thought it was great.

Nah, plenty of people knew what was happening was wrong, even at the time. They just chose to ignore it because it didn't impact them directly, or worse, because they were profiting from America's decline.

 

[KingVamp]

The way I see it, any support for DC's statehood is rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of what the United States are. It's a union of otherwise independent states that agreed to work together and federalise under one federal government which happens to govern from an area that belongs to no state in particular. It is not a conventional setup, it's a federal republic - it's more similar to the European Union than it is to any other country in particular, except the EU doesn't have its own law enforcement or standing army, at least not yet.

If they were not leaving any room for federal land and was trying to gain power over the federal government, I would agree with you, but that is simply not the case. More people are just realizing that the land simply doesn't need to be that big and repurposing some that land for statehood will give people more representation.

 

[omgcat]

funny since cities were burned all summer of last year and those don't have standing armies there right now

stats? which cities were burned, how much was burned, and what % of protests were actually violent?

 

[boots_n_cats]

It is not a conventional setup, it's a federal republic - it's more similar to the European Union than it is to any other country in particular

It's actually a fairly conventional setup in modern terms. Off the cuff, I would argue countries like Australia and Canada are very similar to the United States with largely independent provinces/states and both manage to provide equal representation and voting power to the residents of their federal capitols, with Australia's capital even being a distinct territory. Germany, Brazil, and Russia also function under similar models. The major differences are in the functioning of the executive branch (deligated

which happens to govern from an area that belongs to no state in particular.

The reasons for DC not being a state are largely historical and not particularly relevant today. DC not having representation in congress is hardly fundamental to the operation of the United States; the only practical difference we would see if tomorrow DC had congresspeople and senators is that 700k people would now have the same congressional representation that the 600k residents of Wyoming have. Hell, you could even carve out enclaves for the federal buildings, they did something similar with a strip mall when my hometown incorporated 20 years ago to avoid subjecting it to municipal taxes.

 

[Foxi4]

It's actually a fairly conventional setup in modern terms. Off the cuff, I would argue countries like Australia and Canada are very similar to the United States with largely independent provinces/states and both manage to provide equal representation and voting power to the residents of their federal capitols, with Australia's capital even being a distinct territory. Germany, Brazil, and Russia also function under similar models. The major differences are in the functioning of the executive branch (deligated

The reasons for DC not being a state are largely historical and not particularly relevant today. DC not having representation in congress is hardly fundamental to the operation of the United States; the only practical difference we would see if tomorrow DC had congresspeople and senators is that 700k people would now have the same congressional representation that the 600k residents of Wyoming have. Hell, you could even carve out enclaves for the federal buildings, they did something similar with a strip mall when my hometown incorporated 20 years ago to avoid subjecting it to municipal taxes.

I would be ameneble to shrinking the size of the capitol to the absolute minimum with nothing but federal property and zero citizens to speak of and returning or otherwise reclassifying the rest of the area. That solves the problem of representation - there's nobody to represent. I believe it's a far more fair solution that maintains the constitutional order and gives people the representation they reserve - win-win.

 

[Plasmaster09]

The compromise is following the constitution, the default law of the land. If you wish to change the constitution, you will need overwhelming support from other states, there's a pre-existing framework for submitting amendments. I am of the opinion that the capitol of the United States should be neutral ground where representatives from all states decide upon the policy that they will all follow, as well as deciding upon any and all military action. It should have zero power in isolation, it doesn't need a state government, it is the seat of *the* government, that's power enough, and that power is shared. The founders came up with a compromise already.

...I guess.
It's just kind of dumb that the seat of the national government doesn't have enough power to, you know, prevent itself from getting attacked by a mob of idiots and a negligent Prez.

 

[Foxi4]

...I guess.
It's just kind of dumb that the seat of the national government doesn't have enough power to, you know, prevent itself from getting attacked by a mob of idiots and a negligent Prez.

They had the power, they simply chose not to use it against the citizens in excess. There are secret service snipers all over the place, it's not uncommon to see someone blasted on the White House lawn for criminal trespass.

 

[Plasmaster09]

They had the power, they simply chose not to use it against the citizens in excess. There are secret service snipers all over the place, it's not uncommon to see someone blasted on the White House lawn for criminal trespass.

They needed the National Guard, and Trump adamantly refused to send them.
If there were enough snipers and other defenders there to fend off the rioters, then those guys should be fired because they did jack shit as far as I've heard.

like I distinctly remember hearing and/or watching video that amounted to the guards just... LETTING THE RIOTERS CASUALLY WALTZ ON THROUGH, at least for a decent chunk of it
like this is literally the definition of https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGuardsMustBeCrazy and it's not even remotely funny

 

[wartutor]

Trump acquitted.....
Trump 2024

breaking news fox opinion piece correct @Lacius guess dems forgot to line their ducks in a row before firing the whole clip oops.

Again TRUMP 2024 FUX Liberals and the scum they rode in on.

Now they are saying end of March before our $2000. Man they are fast. Maybe shouldnt of waisted so much time stroking each other over Trump and their tds.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Trump acquitted.....
Trump 2024

breaking news fox opinion piece correct @Lacius guess dems forgot to line their ducks in a row before firing the whole clip oops.

Again TRUMP 2024 FUX Liberals and the scum they rode in on.

Now they are saying end of March before our $2000. Man they are fast. Maybe shouldnt of waisted so much time stroking each other over Trump and their tds.

ok boomer

 

[wartutor]

... LETTING THE RIOTERS CASUALLY WALTZ ON THROUGH,

Isn't that what they have been doing for antifa/blm for this whole summer except they were rioting, burning shit down, and killing. Mostly in dc a few things got taken and ONE unarmed Trump supporter was killed by an "unnamed" (very fishy here) and some selfies were taken. Wow so much worse than cities burning where is the nation guard for all this? Trump wanted to send them in and democrats refused.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Isn't that what they have been doing for antifa/blm for this whole summer except they were rioting, burning shit down, and killing. Mostly in dc a few things got taken and ONE unarmed Trump supporter was killed by an "unnamed" (very fishy here) and some selfies were taken. Wow so much worse than cities burning where is the nation guard for all this? Trump wanted to send them in and democrats refused.

ok false equivalizer

 

[Valwinz]

imao

😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/YNPgmSr1kQ

— Students For Trump (@TrumpStudents) February 15, 2021

 

[WeedZ]

https://twitter.com/breannamorello/status/1360938789934419970

Wish I could find my old post about how maga would suddenly care about covid..

 

[Lacius]

imao
https://twitter.com/TrumpStudents/status/1361159793394601984

• Times Obama was impeached vs. times Trump was impeached: 0 and 2
• Times Trump won the popular vote vs. times Obama won the popular vote: 0 and 2

You might want to avoid the term "0 and 2" when talking about Trump. It's pretty embarrassing for you and for him, particularly when Trump received bipartisan majorities to convict and was acquitted on the technicality that conviction requires a 2/3 majority in the senate. Republicans like Mitch McConnell also voted to acquit on the technicality that they incorrectly didn't think impeachment was constitutional constitutional after a president left office, not because they thought Trump wasn't guilty.

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Isn't that what they have been doing for antifa/blm for this whole summer except they were rioting, burning shit down, and killing. Mostly in dc a few things got taken and ONE unarmed Trump supporter was killed by an "unnamed" (very fishy here) and some selfies were taken. Wow so much worse than cities burning where is the nation guard for all this? Trump wanted to send them in and democrats refused.

BLM is a peaceful protest movement against systemic racism. The riots at the Capitol were, by design, an attempted insurrection against the United States stoked by false claims of voter fraud and instigated by Trump so he could use the riots as leverage to overturn the election. Don't be disingenuous.

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Trump acquitted.....
Trump 2024

breaking news fox opinion piece correct @Lacius guess dems forgot to line their ducks in a row before firing the whole clip oops.

Again TRUMP 2024 FUX Liberals and the scum they rode in on.

Now they are saying end of March before our $2000. Man they are fast. Maybe shouldnt of waisted so much time stroking each other over Trump and their tds.

Nobody wanted to impeach Trump, particularly with the small chance of a conviction in the Senate, but Trump's actions were so deplorable that the precedent couldn't be set that those kinds of actions were acceptable and wouldn't result in consequences like impeachment. In other words, I'm sorry Trump sucks so bad.

Trump was acquitted because conviction requires a 2/3 majority in the Senate. In reality, Trump received bipartisan majorities to convict, and many of the Republicans voted to acquit because they didn't think a president could be impeached after leaving office, not because they thought he wasn't guilty.

Trump is an embarrassment who lost the popular vote twice, is a one-term president, and got impeached twice. The fact that seven Republican senators voted for his conviction is also embarrassing. In other words, Trump was acquitted twice, but how many times was Obama acquitted? The answer: not applicable.

 

[tabzer]

I am witnessing such a strong faith here. Good to see that the spirit dwells in @Lacius, the true believer. Obviously he is the authority on what is embarrassing.