[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

Foxi4 · Oct 28, 2020

Whole lotta love said:
This not an argument.

I don't need an argument. If you argued that the Earth is flat, or that the sun revolves around it, I wouldn't waste much time taking to you either - life experience will eventually do the job. Or it won't, no skin off my back, I won't lose any sleep over it. You can idolise totalitarian regimes to your heart's content - it's a free country. Chances are you'll grow out of it once you have something to lose - changing the stakes tends to change one's worldview.

China exists and thrives thanks to its adoption of capitalist principles, I don't even have to prove that - you know this to be demonstrably true because you typed out your responses on a device that, in all likelyhood, was manufactured in a Chinese factory and purchased via the capitalist system of exchange of goods and services. A device that wouldn't exist otherwise, mind you - no iPhones coming out of Cuba last I checked. This isn't even a debate worth having. Before adopting those principles the people of China were struggling to share a grain of rice - right now the country is prosperous, for the most part. The boom in Chinese economy can be easily traced back to their rejection of central planning in 1978, aka the "Opening of China" and the birth of what they call "socialist market economy" and what everybody else understands as "capitalism with an asterisk".

Starting in 1970, the economy entered into a period of stagnation, and after the death of Mao Zedong, the Communist Party leadership turned to market-oriented reforms to salvage the failing economy. (...)The Communist Party authorities carried out the market reforms in two stages. The first stage, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, involved the de-collectivization of agriculture, the opening up of the country to foreign investment, and permission for entrepreneurs to start businesses. (...) The second stage of reform, in the late 1980s and 1990s, involved the privatization and contracting out of much state-owned industry. The 1985 lifting of price controls was a major reform, and protectionist policies and regulations soon followed, although state monopolies in sectors such as banking and petroleum remained. In 2001, China joined the World Trade Organization (WTO). The private sector grew remarkably, accounting for as much as 70 percent of China's gross domestic product by 2005. From 1978 until 2013, unprecedented growth occurred, with the economy increasing by 9.5% a year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform

It seems to me, a casual observer, that the more China "de-Mao'd" itself the higher the rate of growth it was experiencing. Who would've thunk.

IncredulousP said:
What a lazy, desperate cheap shot from someone that knows they have no counter to an argument. Just accept that not only could you be wrong, but that you would be more wise to accept it.

I don't have to prove self-evident truths. If he claims that black is white and white is black, the onus is on him to prove it. Historical record proves him wrong, if he doesn't accept that then he's in denial and I'm not his therapist - I charge for that, I'm not giving it away for free. See? Capitalism joke.

Whole lotta love said:
Ah yes, there are no old socialists. Just a simple fact of life.

Chomsky is not exactly "a socialist", he's an anarcho-syndicalist. There's a bit of a difference there, in the sense that socialists want to use the long arm of the government to redistribute goods whereas anarcho-syndicalists, or "libertarian socialists" (an oxymoron if I've ever seen one) despise the state and stress liberty, community and freedom of association. He's as far from what you could describe as "a communist" as humanly possible.

In his 1973 book For Reasons of State, Chomsky argues that instead of a capitalist system in which people are "wage slaves" or an authoritarian system in which decisions are made by a centralized committee, a society could function with no paid labor. He argues that a nation's populace should be free to pursue jobs of their choosing. People will be free to do as they like, and the work they voluntarily choose will be both "rewarding in itself" and "socially useful." Society would be run under a system of peaceful anarchism, with no state or other authoritarian institutions. Work that was fundamentally distasteful to all, if any existed, would be distributed equally among everyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Noam_Chomsky#Views_on_socialism_and_communism

That's not socialism, that's a hippie commune and the rejection of currency-based trading.

UltraSUPRA · Oct 28, 2020

Deleted User · Oct 28, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
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Wow... Graphs with % are very telling! Buuut... the numbers aren't on those graphs, and there is no comparison of the united states....
Almost as if you just looked for a image that supported your view. And proceeded to post it without question

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Also I'm going to bring up something since I am here. I find it fascinating that Trump is pulling out ads out of Florida when he is essentially at a statistical tie to put his ads else where.
I must ask, if he is somehow this supposed million air. And he raised a lot of money... Where did all that cash go?

notimp · Oct 28, 2020

gregory-samba said:
The virus isn't ever going to go away. It's with us now like every other virus is. It's stupid to keep hiding from something that's most likely not going to kill you. Lastly, yes, your 4 million death figure is just an estimate as you nor the Government can tell the future.

EDIT: By the way, the survival rate is 99.8% across the board. Your 4% figure it sorta off.

You've heard the response to this ten times already. Its not just if its there or not, its the rate of infection that becomes an issue.

Moron.

When you have heard the answer to that issue of yours ten times, and you still refuse to pick it up, something is way off.

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UltraSUPRA said:

Flipping Propaganda memes.

Sweden has a population density of

25.4 inhabitants per km2

Germany has one of

240 inhabitants per km2

New York City has one of
10.000 inhabitants per km2

ALL of what you will hear once the vaccinations start, ALL of it is, that you should take them, when you are asked to, because people are trying to cut corridors into spreadvectors. You can think of it like a forest fire. where you cut lains to stop the spread. Now think of what the situation would be if there were 10x fewer trees in the forest. On the same surface area. Everything would be easier, wouldnt it?

Both of you spread so much disinformation in this forum - its flipping unreal.

Not a single word that comes out of your mouths is normal. The moxy alone to post a meme that mocks the other political side of wanting to do what every f*cking country in the world - except for sweden did. The balls to make a virus that political, to the point, where you and you alone would F*CKING say, that people should act on this according to party lines.... Effing. unreal.

Also what a f*cking statistic is 'increase in covid deaths over the last two weeks'? You manipulating phoney? Are we doing cherry picked sampling again?

edit: Oh sh*t, jackpot. You are doing cherry picked sampling. what an ahole you are.

Infection rate in sweden as of today: Still looks near exponential to me.

omgcat · Oct 29, 2020

omgcat · Oct 29, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
Wow... Graphs with % are very telling! Buuut... the numbers aren't on those graphs, and there is no comparison of the united states....
Almost as if you just looked for a image that supported your view. And proceeded to post it without question

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Also I'm going to bring up something since I am here. I find it fascinating that Trump is pulling out ads out of Florida when he is essentially at a statistical tie to put his ads else where.
I must ask, if he is somehow this supposed million air. And he raised a lot of money... Where did all that cash go?

private jets, his son's book, and a crap load of filet o' fish and hamberders.

Hanafuda · Oct 29, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
Also I'm going to bring up something since I am here. I find it fascinating that Trump is pulling out ads out of Florida when he is essentially at a statistical tie to put his ads else where.

not accurate, but not your fault cuz the lefty side of the internet went wild with that yesterday. The ads are still running and will continue to run in Florida, but paid by the RNC not the Trump campaign, which is diverting funding to other battleground states. In other words, there was a story there, just not the one that got reported.

rsx · Oct 29, 2020

Even though he disgusts me and I do not like him, I still voted for Trump. Not because of him, but because he's been filling the ninth circuit and scotus with people who have some sensibility. They'll be there long after he's out of office. And the idea of the Harris Administration is filled with uncertainty and doubt, being that she was part of the police state for most of her life and put away a long list of innocent people who were later exonerated. If Biden wins, their plan is to put him out to pasture and let Harris take over. The guy is obviously showing signs of dementia and has a perverted infatuation with underage girls, more specifically smelling their hair and groping their shoulders. Granted, what Trump said about women four years ago was appalling, but we're talking about children here, that's where I draw the line. They're off-limits, no exceptions.

Plus, Trump is already here and we already know what to expect if he has another four years. This has been the worst year in the history of ever and there's an old saying: A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. It's better to hold onto what we already have, rather than roll the dice and risk it for something better. The things we already have are better than the things we hope to get.

Deleted User · Oct 29, 2020

rsx said:
Even though he disgusts me and I do not like him, I still voted for Trump. Not because of him, but because he's been filling the ninth circuit and scotus with people who have some sensibility. They'll be there long after he's out of office. And the idea of the Harris Administration is filled with uncertainty and doubt, being that she was part of the police state for most of her life and put away a long list of innocent people who were later exonerated. If Biden wins, their plan is to put him out to pasture and let Harris take over. The guy is obviously showing signs of dementia and has a perverted infatuation with underage girls, more specifically smelling their hair and groping their shoulders. Granted, what Trump said about women four years ago was appalling, but we're talking about children here, that's where I draw the line. They're off-limits, no exceptions.

Plus, Trump is already here and we already know what to expect if he has another four years. This has been the worst year in the history of ever and there's an old saying: A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. It's better to hold onto what we already have, rather than roll the dice and risk it for something better. The things we already have are better than the things we hope to get.

sensibility....
What is your definition of sensibility... When... the person that was just put on the SCOTUS... doesn't even know the last freedom given in the first amendment...

Also I don't find it very sensible for one color to get their picked ignored for 10 months until the color swaps and then put in the new colors pick. And then try justifying that to let the people choose. to only then 4 years later go back on that, and rush their nomination.

Also are we not going to forget to mention that one person actually wants to deal with the pandemic while the other refuses to really acknowledge it and do something?

UltraSUPRA · Oct 29, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
sensibility....
What is your definition of sensibility... When... the person that was just put on the SCOTUS... doesn't even know the last freedom given in the first amendment...

The right of the people peaceably to assemble and petition the Government for a redress of grievances?

Deleted User · Oct 29, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
The right of the people peaceably to assemble and petition the Government for a redress of grievances?

yup.

rsx said:
Even though he disgusts me and I do not like him, I still voted for Trump. Not because of him, but because he's been filling the ninth circuit and scotus with people who have some sensibility. They'll be there long after he's out of office. And the idea of the Harris Administration is filled with uncertainty and doubt, being that she was part of the police state for most of her life and put away a long list of innocent people who were later exonerated. If Biden wins, their plan is to put him out to pasture and let Harris take over. The guy is obviously showing signs of dementia and has a perverted infatuation with underage girls, more specifically smelling their hair and groping their shoulders. Granted, what Trump said about women four years ago was appalling, but we're talking about children here, that's where I draw the line. They're off-limits, no exceptions.

Plus, Trump is already here and we already know what to expect if he has another four years. This has been the worst year in the history of ever and there's an old saying: A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. It's better to hold onto what we already have, rather than roll the dice and risk it for something better. The things we already have are better than the things we hope to get.

Back to my point, if you still want to vote right-wing. Vote for the librarian party. Trump is just going to cause a even bigger fire than he already caused.

UltraSUPRA · Oct 29, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
Also I don't find it very sensible for one color to get their picked ignored for 10 months until the color swaps and then put in the new colors pick. And then try justifying that to let the people choose. to only then 4 years later go back on that, and rush their nomination.

That's the choice of the senate.

monkeyman4412 said:
Also are we not going to forget to mention that one person actually wants to deal with the pandemic while the other refuses to really acknowledge it and do something?

Yes, one of them wants to lock down the country and mandate the injection of rushed vaccines that could potentially be more harmful than the virus itself...and the other "downplayed" the virus by recovering.

monkeyman4412 said:
yup.

How, exactly?

monkeyman4412 said:
Back to my point, if you still want to vote right-wing. Vote for the librarian party. Trump is just going to cause a even bigger fire than he already caused.

I'd be as likely to vote for Jo as I would for Joe. I can't vote, but if I could, Trump is the only good option.

wartutor · Oct 29, 2020

omgcat said:
are you actually retarded?
read what you posted. to help you're reading comprehension i have circled the words in red and underlined them.View attachment 231590

Again you fucking retard picking and choosing words out of context and publishing a fake news story. Just like i described god damn dumb ass even did it himself. Go back a couple words from what you undderlined and it Completely says "TO UNDERSTAND, (NOTE THE COMMA) TREAT, (AGAIN COMMA), AND (SEE THE FUCKING AND HERE) CURE THE DESEASE. can you fucking read or does your dumb ass brain just pick and choose what it sees

omgcat · Oct 29, 2020

wartutor said:
Again you fucking retard picking and choosing words out of context and publishing a fake news story. Just like i described god damn dumb ass even did it himself. Go back a couple words from what you undderlined and it Completely says "TO UNDERSTAND, (NOTE THE COMMA) TREAT, (AGAIN COMMA), AND (SEE THE FUCKING AND HERE) CURE THE DESEASE. can you fucking read or does your dumb ass brain just pick and choose what it sees

does it, or does it not state “ENDING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC” as the title of the accomplishment? maybe they should have listed something more factual like "STARTED TACKLING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC" instead of using phrases that indicate that the pandemic is over?

or maybe we should list the actual things done by the administration such as "MUZZLED SCIENTISTS" or "PASS A EO THAT LET'S ME FIRE ANYONE WE COULD WHO SAY THINGS ARE BAD".

Deleted User · Oct 29, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
That's the choice of the senate.

So you'll be fine with the democrats if they take the senate filling up the supreme court then to even the numbers? I mean if it's that's the choice of the senate, then it's the choice of the senate right?

UltraSUPRA said:
Yes, one of them wants to lock down the country and mandate the injection of rushed vaccines that could potentially be more harmful than the virus itself...and the other "downplayed" the virus by recovering.

https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-positive
Yes while one of them doesn't even want to acknowledge a pandemic is happening until last second when he realized it was hurting his election chances. Refuses to listen to science. Refused to wear a mask. And he got covid. And then had to get a treatment, that, by the way, is likely so expensive that if any of us got covid we wouldn't be able to pay for it. For him to only then state there is nothing to fear about it...
Who also btw, wasn't treated with your magical cure hydroxychloroquine, it's funny how he stopped promoting it. Almost as if it was a load of bs.

UltraSUPRA said:
How, exactly?

she was asked a question about what is in the first amendment. if your being put on the supreme court, you should AT LEAAAST know what is in the first amendment as someone who could decide the final rule of the law.

UltraSUPRA said:
I'd be as likely to vote for Jo as I would for Joe. I can't vote, but if I could, Trump is the only good option.

What polices and what has he done that makes you want to vote for him?

Whole lotta love · Oct 29, 2020

Foxi4 said:
I don't need an argument. If you argued that the Earth is flat, or that the sun revolves around it, I wouldn't waste much time taking to you either - life experience will eventually do the job. Or it won't, no skin off my back, I won't lose any sleep over it. You can idolise totalitarian regimes to your heart's content - it's a free country. Chances are you'll grow out of it once you have something to lose - changing the stakes tends to change one's worldview.

Why do you continue to engage with me and my arguments if you view my positions as akin to flat eartherism?

China exists and thrives thanks to its adoption of capitalist principles, I don't even have to prove that - you know this to be demonstrably true because you typed out your responses on a device that, in all likelyhood, was manufactured in a Chinese factory and purchased via the capitalist system of exchange of goods and services. A device that wouldn't exist otherwise, mind you - no iPhones coming out of Cuba last I checked. This isn't even a debate worth having. Before adopting those principles the people of China were struggling to share a grain of rice - right now the country is prosperous, for the most part. The boom in Chinese economy can be easily traced back to their rejection of central planning in 1978, aka the "Opening of China" and the birth of what they call "socialist market economy" and what everybody else understands as "capitalism with an asterisk".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform

It seems to me, a casual observer, that the more China "de-Mao'd" itself the higher the rate of growth it was experiencing. Who would've thunk.

Yes, the Chinese Communist Party liberalized it's economy under Deng, stripping many workers of protections and healthcare. The Tiananmen Square protests were largely organized by socialists against these capitalist measures. I don't consider contemporary China to be a socialist state as they continually repress workplace organizing and socialist organizing, much like the United States does. They are one more example of the failures of state socialism to liberate the working class from capitalist production.

I don't have to prove self-evident truths. If he claims that black is white and white is black, the onus is on him to prove it. Historical record proves him wrong, if he doesn't accept that then he's in denial and I'm not his therapist - I charge for that, I'm not giving it away for free. See? Capitalism joke.

I have no interest in "self-evident truths". For many people, the earth being flat is a "self-evident truth". This is just another useless term like "common sense". What is common sense to one person is not to another based on their experiences and education.

Chomsky is not exactly "a socialist", he's an anarcho-syndicalist. There's a bit of a difference there, in the sense that socialists want to use the long arm of the government to redistribute goods whereas anarcho-syndicalists, or "libertarian socialists" (an oxymoron if I've ever seen one) despise the state and stress liberty, community and freedom of association. He's as far from what you could describe as "a communist" as humanly possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Noam_Chomsky#Views_on_socialism_and_communism

That's not socialism, that's a hippie commune and the rejection of currency-based trading.

I have never heard Chomsky identify himself as an anarcho-syndicalist but I have heard him identify himself as a libertarian socialist, which is only relevant because if your lack of understanding of left politics. Anarcho-syndicalism is a form a socialism that many people (myself included) consider to be a much "truer" or more direct form of achieving socialism as it attempts to directly take democratic control over the means of production.

You can learn about libertarian socialism from Chomsky here.

I can also provide more resources if you would like to learn more about the differences between various leftist tendencies like Marxist-Leninism, Trotskyism, Black Anarchism, Left Communism, etc. because it sounds like you're not very well read in the area if you think anarcho-syndicalism is not socialism or that libertarian socialism, a term coined by French anti-state socialists, is an oxymoron.

Oxford provides a pretty good definition of socialism:

Statist leftist ideologies like Marxist-Leninism and anti-state ones like anarcho-syndicalism are all trying to achieve the goal of community control over the means off production (as opposed to control by a small group of business owners).

Anarcho-syndicalism or libertarian socialism, which are a little different but have a lot of overlap are both interested in redistributing wealth, they just don't want a state to do it for a variety of reasons, which I would be happy to educate you on if you like.

But I guess if you want to side with Stalinists and argue that Chomsky isn't a real socialist, here's an older marxist who self-identifies as a communist. Old socialists exist, believe it or not...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavoj_Žižek

wartutor · Oct 29, 2020

omgcat said:
does it, or does it not state “ENDING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC” as the title of the accomplishment? maybe they should have listed something more factual like "STARTED TACKLING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC" instead of using phrases that indicate that the pandemic is over?

or maybe we should list the actual things done by the administration such as "MUZZLED SCIENTISTS" or "PASS A EO THAT LET'S ME FIRE ANYONE WE COULD WHO SAY THINGS ARE BAD".

Yes i can admit it should of been worded better but to pick and choose content from the paragraph to make a headline that does nothing but spread mis-information seams to be the way of the "fake news" media here of late. And democrats like yourself "that cant think for themselves (or have nothing worthy to blame the other side for) run with these "news stories" spreading the slander. Like a damn tabloid paper.

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monkeyman4412 said:
Yes while one of them doesn't even want to acknowledge a pandemic is happening until last second when he realized it was hurting his election chances. Refuses to listen to science. Refused to wear a mask. And he got covid. And then had to get a treatment, that, by the way, is likely so expensive that if any of us got covid we wouldn't be able to pay for it. For him to only then state there is nothing to fear about it...

He got covid after he started wearing the mask btw. Also your magical joe has been getting free healthcare for years now on the tax payers dime (and yes care you and me couldnt afford) so exactly how tf is that in anyway relevant.

Deleted User · Oct 29, 2020

wartutor said:
He got covid after he started wearing the mask btw. Also your magical joe has been getting free healthcare for years now on the tax payers dime (and yes care you and me couldnt afford)

... slight manic laughter
She shouldn't become pregnant!
I put the condom on after we had sex.
this is essentially your logic right now. It takes about two weeks for signs of covid to show up.
There was MORE than plenty of time for him to catch covid. as he was not wearing a mask.
Meanwhile Biden hasn't shown signs. And he has consistently worn a mask

wartutor said:
so exactly how tf is that in anyway relevant.

oh so... you just kinda... forgot my point... or I just didn't make it clear somehow so I'll just state it again.
Trump stated covid is nothing to worry about after getting a treatment neither of us could afford. Essentially pointing out that he really doesn't care for the American people. Meanwhile at least Joe has been trying to lead by example through wearing a mask, and recommending it. While Trump has been actively downplaying it.
My point being regarding the pandemic and getting back to a real normalcy, Biden or just any candidate from the other parties other than Trump would be better.

Foxi4 · Oct 29, 2020

Whole lotta love said:
Why do you continue to engage with me and my arguments if you view my positions as akin to flat eartherism?

Yes, the Chinese Communist Party liberalized it's economy under Deng, stripping many workers of protections and healthcare. The Tiananmen Square protests were largely organized by socialists against these capitalist measures. I don't consider contemporary China to be a socialist state as they continually repress workplace organizing and socialist organizing, much like the United States does. They are one more example of the failures of state socialism to liberate the working class from capitalist production.

I have no interest in "self-evident truths". For many people, the earth being flat is a "self-evident truth". This is just another useless term like "common sense". What is common sense to one person is not to another based on their experiences and education.

I have never heard Chomsky identify himself as an anarcho-syndicalist but I have heard him identify himself as a libertarian socialist, which is only relevant because if your lack of understanding of left politics. Anarcho-syndicalism is a form a socialism that many people (myself included) consider to be a much "truer" or more direct form of achieving socialism as it attempts to directly take democratic control over the means of production.

You can learn about libertarian socialism from Chomsky here.

I can also provide more resources if you would like to learn more about the differences between various leftist tendencies like Marxist-Leninism, Trotskyism, Black Anarchism, Left Communism, etc. because it sounds like you're not very well read in the area if you think anarcho-syndicalism is not socialism or that libertarian socialism, a term coined by French anti-state socialists, is an oxymoron.

Oxford provides a pretty good definition of socialism:

Statist leftist ideologies like Marxist-Leninism and anti-state ones like anarcho-syndicalism are all trying to achieve the goal of community control over the means off production (as opposed to control by a small group of business owners).

Anarcho-syndicalism or libertarian socialism, which are a little different but have a lot of overlap are both interested in redistributing wealth, they just don't want a state to do it for a variety of reasons, which I would be happy to educate you on if you like.

You're right. I shouldn't indulge you with further arguments since your position is akin to flat earthism. You're definitely well-read on the subject - so well-read that you were unaware of Chomsky's political alignment despite the fact that he states it plainly in one of his most famous works. He's a self-described anarcho-syndicalist, it's not a news flash. Anarcho-syndicalism is less a form of socialism and more a form of anarchism, but that's besides the point. The point, unless it flew over your head, is that it is impossible to achieve the lofty goals of socialism without establishing an aparathus of violence in order to enforce its tenants of goodie-goodie sharing, and once you've done that, you have an oppressive totalitarian state on your hands. Every single experiment of this kind has ended in exactly the same way, and repeating the same actions with the expectation of different results is the definition of insanity. I'm afraid that you have nothing to teach me that I don't already know - Chomsky's dream state is so ridiculous and untenable that it's no wonder he doesn't bring it up much anymore, focusing on criticising systems that do work instead. Let's not forget that we're talking about the man who praised Vietnam's implementation of socialism - the same implementation that gave birth to its proxy, the Viet Cong. Remember Viet Cong? As I said, I'm not particularly worried by your current beliefs. As people grow up, they gradually stop believing in certain things - the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, santa and socialism, in that order. You'll get there eventually.

Deleted User · Oct 29, 2020

Foxi4 said:
You're right. I shouldn't indulge you with further arguments since your position is akin to flat earthism. You're definitely well-read on the subject - so well-read that you were unaware of Chomsky's political alignment despite the fact that he states it plainly in one of his most famous works. He's a self-described anarcho-syndicalist, it's not a news flash. Anarcho-syndicalism is less a form of socialism and more a form of anarchism, but that's besides the point. The point, unless it flew over your head, is that it is impossible to achieve the lofty goals of socialism without establishing an aparathus of violence in order to enforce its tenants of goodie-goodie sharing, and once you've done that, you have an oppressive totalitarian state on your hands. Every single experiment of this kind has ended in exactly the same way, and repeating the same actions with the expectation of different results is the definition of insanity. I'm afraid that you have nothing to teach me that I don't already know - Chomsky's dream state is so ridiculous and untenable that it's no wonder he doesn't bring it up much anymore, focusing on criticising systems that do work instead. Let's not forget that we're talking about the man who praised Vietnam's implementation of socialism - the same implementation that gave birth to its proxy, the Viet Cong. Remember Viet Cong? As I said, I'm not particularly worried by your current beliefs. As people grow up, they gradually stop believing in certain things - the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, santa and socialism, in that order. You'll get there eventually.

Eeeeehhhh.... Seems to me doc like you conflate things... a lot of things actually. I'm not going to bother arguing with you. My only point being that your conflating a lot of things, and I wouldn't really put socialism into the same category as religious holidays, or things of tradition.

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