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For whom will/would you vote?

Poll closed Nov 4, 2020.
  1. Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

    33.1%
  2. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

    52.6%
  3. Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

    2.5%
  4. Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

    3.9%
  5. Other

    7.9%
  6. 646 voter(s)
  1. crimpshrine

    crimpshrine GBAtemp Advanced Fan
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    I agree it does take two to tango. And the direct relationship between Pelosi and Trump is/was non existent.

    After she ripped up his state of the union speech it was pretty clear TDS guides her choices.

    I can't blame certain republicans for speaking out and pushing back, every time the pork was uncovered in the dem versions.

    The dems knew what was required to get this (is it 4th?) stimulus across Trumps desk. They could have accomplished this over 2 months ago. If they truly wanted to get something into the hands of people that needed it at that point in time, they could have got that taken care of and then started to work on a 5th one.
     
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    Those are just estimates as the death rate has greatly been reduced because most people recover from treatment or don't even get sick to begin with. There's plenty of things in life with a greater death risk, yet people drive around in cars or smoke substances with no worries about the future. So yes, it was a mistake to shut down and it's a mistake to keep hiding from something that's not even that deadly.

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    Since Liberals are pretty stupid and don't even mind the "pork" added to the bills I'm pretty sure Pelosi has stalled the negotiations to make Trump look bad because it's election time. Those fucks in Congress have their jobs and are used to slipping shit by on the American public so they lose nothing personally from putting off giving much needed money to the citizens that have been basically forced to not work or are too scared to leave their houses. I'm sure if Trump had the ability to put together a spending plan then one would already have passed, but since it's Congress job to be the American piggy bank we're stuck waiting for them to give up their bullshit tactics they used in the past and start working with the President on this issue. Though, the thing is, they don't want to give up their ability to throw unrelated things into spending bills as they are creatures that don't want to leave their swamp.
     
  4. GCS

    GCS Don't ask it, ALWAYS Backup the NAND!
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    No, these aren't just "estimates", these are facts that have been declared by the US Government. I even calculated with a lower death ratio (the normal one was 4%). There is no such thing as "that deadly" every human life matters. And yes there can be more deadly things out there, but this doesn't mean that we shouldn't take any precautions. As an example, you just said that people are driving cars but they are taking precautions like putting on their safety belts.
     
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    The virus isn't ever going to go away. It's with us now like every other virus is. It's stupid to keep hiding from something that's most likely not going to kill you. Lastly, yes, your 4 million death figure is just an estimate as you nor the Government can tell the future.

    EDIT: By the way, the survival rate is 99.8% across the board. Your 4% figure it sorta off.
     
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    :rofl2: funny but it's not
     
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  7. GCS

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    You can't deny the fact that vaccine projects are getting better day by day and most probably there will be a vaccine found in 2021 (and the vaccine may already have been found in Russia.), and until that moment we should do as much as we can to decrease the possible death count. Yes, I can't tell the future but you don't see the big picture: There will be deaths, maybe lower than I found or maybe even higher than I found.

    EDIT: I just saw your edit, yes you were right, the normal number was lower than 4%
     
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    It's just sad that the main stream media won't barely even cover the peace deals or get close to mentioning the Biden scandals. What's even worse is their portrayal of the violent deadly riots and looting as some sort of peaceful unrest. The main stream media is so fucking slanted and really needs to be held accountable for their lies. What about the Supreme Court Justice? All they focus on is what the Democrats want to do to get revenge over something they had no control over and that's what pissed them off the most. Liberals aren't remotely happy unless they are intruding into other peoples lives and telling them what they can or cannot think or do. What a bunch of pathetic pieces of shit.
     
  9. notimp

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    I've personally told you five times, that the 'peace deals' are largely military financial contracts to link together two former conflict partners in the region in the interest of economic and security interests.

    Its literally facilitating the strongarm move of squashing all legitimate interests, that people in the west tried to support for two centuries. "Ignoring that" in the interest of 'a greater good fifty years from now ' (hey, at least the region might be stable), is about all an informed public can stomach.

    If you want your glory parade on letting israels colonialist policies literaly destroy the westbank, and turkey whiping out the curds, and Iran figuratively being economically choked into submission - its VERY HARD to give you that, considering how people have been informed, that all those where legitimate interests, valued ethnic groups, and so on - in the past.

    So just because you now replicate ultra right wing TALKING POINTS about Kushner having been the best deal maker ever. (Bullshit, Saudi Arabia just lost influence in the region and now could be pressured into taking the US backed sweetheart deal option, to loose that influence long term. In favor of not loosing even more influence) It doesnt mean its real (the Kushner glorification thing). And it doesnt mean that people wouldnt laugh in your face, once you try.

    For once, stop picking up Q-Anon and infowars talking points.

    And making it the fault of all media - that this is how it panned out.

    For gods sake, the Propaganda surrounding this was flipping horrible to watch. Like a toddler got access to the means, and methods, but entirely lacked taste, and or public support:


    edit: Basically this:
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...-military-pacts-signed-with-malicious-intent/

    Didnt vet the source. But facts like 'palestinians werent invited to their own 'peace talks'' are a little hard to hide.

    Just imagine how easy it is to get you as a cheerleader on other issues, if you miss stuff like that. I basically could make you demand anything, as long as I write it on an alt right blog somewhere.

    edit: The reason why its not talked more openly about as a glorification play is, that not more people start going - *huh* whatdoyaknow, media told me all that crap that turned out not to be important at all. Turns out in the end you just go with US interests and the biggest moneyed interests in the region, and snuff out the rest.

    Well - under a Trump administration. (Or probably ANY administration, that didnt mind being 'hawkish' on issues, right after a few successful military coups. Because those interests "winning" was not a surprise to anyone who'd bank on US interests being the decinding factor in the region. (At least by proxy.))
     
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    Here - watch this:


    I think there is much 'truth' in there. And its controversial. :)
     
  11. omgcat

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    are you actually retarded?
    read what you posted. to help you're reading comprehension i have circled the words in red and underlined them. Screenshot_20201028-052214_Write on PDF.jpg


     
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  12. Whole lotta love

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    I don't understand your point. Jeff Bezos is not a web designer.

    No, I mean workers having democratic control over their workplaces. Deciding how things run, how much everyone gets paid, who will hold management positions (if anything).

    What?

    What kind of welfare? Is there a specific program you're referring to, or do you mean anyone who receives any sort of benefit from any government?
     
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  13. Foxi4

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    I like how we're at the stage of delusion where the Trump administration, the first administration that didn't start any wars or large-scale, long-term military conflicts since Jimmy Carter's, is "hawkish". And no, I don't count blowing up terrorist figureheads as "war", I call it "taking out the trash". For once an American president hasn't started any fights that future administrations would be forced to clean up - in fact, much of the forces have been withdrawn from areas where they have no business being, but let's call him a warlord anyway because it's an election cycle. The myopia is palpable.
     
  14. Whole lotta love

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    If you don't think engaging in warfare with enemies labelled "terrorist" by the US military apparatus is "war" then George W. Bush, George H. Bush, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama weren't "hawkish" either.
     
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    One little issue with that line of thinking. It's not your money. Your workplace and everything in it belongs to the business owner and it's the responsibility of the owner to run it, either towards success or into the ground. When you put three people in a room and two of them decide in a democratic vote that they're going to take the third's money, we call that a mugging. The idea that workers should have *any* control over hiring or wages is tantamount to supporting theft, plain and simple. When you're hired, you sign a contract which obligates you to fulfil its terms for an agreed upon wage. If you think you don't earn enough, renegotiate by asking for a raise. You'll very quickly find out if you're underpaid or if you've overvalued your contribution to the business. You can also choose to quit.

    Dropping a bomb on one guy is very different than a land, sea and air invasion of a foreign state and toppling its government for giggles.
     
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    ROFL. Like if you're flipping hamburgers you get to dictate to the leadership how they will operate their business.
     
  17. Whole lotta love

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    I disagree with that framing. I believe that profit is theft. If my boss pays me $15/hour and makes $30/hour from my labor, I consider that theft because they are stealing value from my labor.
     
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    You're thinking is damaged then. If you want to run your own business then go make one, but if you're working for someone else it's not your place to tell them how to run their business as that would likely get you fired then you'd be making $0.00 per hour.
     
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    Profit is the single solitary motive to engage in any business activity ever and it has lifted the majority of world's population from poverty. This is an undeniable fact.
     
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    money makes people less poor, what logic.
     
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