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Good Morning.:)

Since not much is happening at the Moment (of the around 200 new Infections that are common every day..) the Media are once again spreading "Panic" with new Deathtolls from around the World ...

Strange, that the last Coronavirus Death in Austria was already over ........ hmmm
....even stranger, there is almost no Information about when the last death occurred ... must have been too long ago. vain.gif

https://orf.at/stories/3183093/
 

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Austria "seems" on the Way to the Lockdown.

https://orf.at/stories/3184384/

Anschober does not want to anticipate the traffic light commission

Health Minister Rudolf Anschober (Greens) allegedly does not want to comment on the upcoming switching of four districts to red. He is not part of the traffic light commission and does not intervene in it as a politician, said Anschober on the sidelines of a press conference today.

In the face of increasing numbers, however, he appealed to the population to adhere to the measures. Most of this happens, "but we still have some room for improvement".

As the daily newspaper “Austria” reported (Thursday edition), St. Pölten, Hermagor (Carinthia), Hallein (Salzburg) and Landeck (Tyrol) are faced with a red rating by the traffic light commission.

He cannot yet say what the result of the traffic light commission meeting will be, so Anschober. You have a "difficult situation", he referred to increasing numbers. These are not comparable with the numbers from the spring, because much more is being tested, said the minister.

Nevertheless, the current strategy must now be continued “consistently”. That is why he is also making an “urgent appeal” to the population to take part again as they did in spring. There was also no comment from the traffic light commission on the report in “Austria”.
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Very diplomatically circumscribed.:)
 

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The symbolism of the traffic light system imho is a low key disaster.

Instead of telling people what they should do you have them watch an arbitrary system and discuss colors.

Its supposed to be this: https://inudgeyou.com/en/traffic-nudge-countdown-traffic-lights/

Its not. Its adding to confusion.

Anschober not preempting an announcement surves two purposes: Responsibility delegation (not always bad, although it sounds that way), and having one message out there instead of two.

That part is standard practice, with governments and corporations alike. Again, not to add to confusion.
 
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Schramböck does not rule out a new lockdown

Economics Minister Margarete Schramböck (ÖVP) does not rule out a second lockdown due to the coronavirus crisis. “I don't have a crystal ball. Israel would not have thought that it would come to that ”, Schramböck said today in the“ Kleine Zeitung ”. The Ministry of Health had recently denied rumors of a second lockdown.

Schramböck combined her warning of a second lockdown with a renewed request to Vienna to introduce an earlier curfew for bars.

FPÖ leader Norbert Hofer reacted sharply to Schramböck's statements. “The government is about to hit our country against the wall. Another lockdown would be the death knell for thousands of companies. New confusions every day, although the domestic health system still has sufficient capacity to cope with a possible increase in diseases, ”he criticized in a broadcast. He sees his warning of a second lockdown confirmed.

NEOS health spokesman Gerald Loacker was "shocked": "It is the primary task of the turquoise-green federal government to prevent a second lockdown." In view of the new record for new infections, the government is now called upon: "At the moment, the infection numbers are not worrying for this uncertainty, but rather the chaos of Kurz, Anschober and Co. "


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Yes, but then Schramböck is an idiot.

(Ich komme ja aus der Industrie,
Ich habe ja selbst einen Laptop benutzt,
Ich habe ja versucht österreichisch zu kaufen,
Ich baue shöpping Plattformen gegen Amazon (Algos und Verteilerzentren) und nenn das Plattformwirtschaft)
(Sorry, only works in german, but you arent missing much, just a bunch of 'I know something, but I dont quite understand a thing babble, she usually excretes.)

Watch her getting played here, should be a topic you might know some things about:
https://www.alpbach.org/de/2020-almtalks/alles-digital/

(Oh, and btw, if you do watch, you dont protect against hacks by 'not telling the public how you do it' thats entirely BS as well, you monitor traffic, you patch and you do staff training. And proper segmentation (access/rights management().)

More talks if you are politically interested:
https://www.alpbach.org/de/2020-almtalks/

The entire name of the game currently should pretty much be to prevent a lockdown until after winter if possible.

If possible depends largely on hospital capacity at this point (no on is especially interested in raking up another 22 billion in debt ( https://www.derstandard.at/story/20...ort-auf-die-krise-22-milliarden-euro-an-neuen ).

Before hospitals go belly up, we'll have another lockdown. But likely not before. So listen to news about hospital capacity.

edit: Current data on hospitalization:
https://www.derstandard.at/story/20...irus-oesterreich-corona-ampel-in-ihrem-bezirk
 
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Yes, but then Schramböck is an idiot.

(Ich komme ja aus der Industrie,
Ich habe ja selbst einen Laptop benutzt,
Ich habe ja versucht österreichisch zu kaufen,
Ich baue shöpping Plattformen gegen Amazon (Algos und Verteilerzentren) und nenn das Plattformwirtschaft)
(Sorry, only works in german, but you arent missing much, just a bunch of 'I know something, but I dont quite understand a thing babble, she usually excretes.)

Watch her getting played here, should be a topic you might know some things about:
https://www.alpbach.org/de/2020-almtalks/alles-digital/

(Oh, and btw, if you do watch, you dont protect against hacks by 'not telling the public how you do it' thats entirely BS as well, you monitor traffic, you patch and you do staff training. And proper segmentation (access/rights management().)

More talks if you are politically interested:
https://www.alpbach.orge/2020-almtalks/

The entire name of the game currently should pretty much be to prevent a lockdown until after winter if possible.

If possible depends largely on hospital capacity at this point (no on is especially interested in raking up another 22 billion in debt ( https://www.derstandard.at/story/20...ort-auf-die-krise-22-milliarden-euro-an-neuen ).

Before hospitals go belly up, we'll have another lockdown. But likely not before. So listen to news about hospital capacity.

edit: Current data on hospitalization:
https://www.derstandard.at/story/20...irus-oesterreich-corona-ampel-in-ihrem-bezirk

Thank you.:)

Forget to mention another "important" Factor for the upcoming Lockdown:
The Municipal Council Elections

Vienna Votes....
11.October 2020

So the Lockdown has to wait AFTER this of Course......:evil:
..until October 12th
"Political Correctness"...:rofl2:
 

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...our Neighbors in Germany maybe "knows" a little more about a possible "Lock Down" ?

Discount Stores are selling more Toilet Paper again.....laughing.gif

https://orf.at/stories/3185226/

Against the background of increasing coronavirus infections, the demand for toilet paper is also rising again in Germany. “We are currently seeing a slight increase in demand for individual products, including toilet paper, in our branches for the first time,” said the discounter Aldi Süd to “Wirtschaftswoche”, according to a previous announcement from today. "In some regions and branches we are seeing a slight increase in demand for our hygiene range", confirmed competitor Lidl.

Retail chains such as REWE, dm and Kaufland have not yet been able to detect any changes in the purchasing behavior of their customers. At the beginning of the coronavirus crisis, sales of toilet paper in drug stores and larger supermarkets soared. In the second week of March, according to market researchers, sales were more than twice as high as in the comparable week of 2019. After that, however, demand went steeply downhill before the figures stabilized again in July.

Aldi spokespersons like Lidl emphasized according to "Wirtschaftswoche" that there was no reason to "hamster buy" (hoarding). "Based on the experience of the past few months, we observe fluctuations in demand very closely in order to be able to avoid any delivery bottlenecks," said Aldi Süd. Basically, the company is prepared for increasing demand and currently does not expect any restrictions on availability. Lidl also sees itself “well prepared”. If necessary, one can “react quickly in order to supply the branches with sufficient goods”.
 
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I'm not sure if I'm going to regret asking this, but...

Aldi spokespersons like Lidl emphasized according to "Wirtschaftswoche" that there was no reason to buy hamsters.

Was "Hamsters" a mistype, or something? If the topic is a surge in toilet paper purchases, why did hamsters come up?
 

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I'm not sure if I'm going to regret asking this, but...



Was "Hamsters" a mistype, or something? If the topic is a surge in toilet paper purchases, why did hamsters come up?
:rofl2:

Google is my best Friend...

Hamsterkäufe means People buy something (Toiletpaper for Example) in Quantities at once.

A Single Person needs 2 Rolls for a Week for Example under "normal" Circumstances.
Then this Single Person buys 100 for "Corona Lockdown".

That means he is "hamstering".....:rofl2:

It is like "hoarding".



Thank you for pointing me at that Mistype.:yay:
 
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2 Sides of the Coin.

One Side - The Gouvernment spreads "Panic" again:

https://orf.at/stories/3185268/

Briefly appeal to countries for more tightening

In view of the rising number of coronavirus infections across Austria, Chancellor Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP) today wrote to the federal states asking for more stringent measures. In several federal states, the numbers have reached "very worrying levels".

"We are currently seeing a massive spread of the virus in some cities and countries in Europe, which makes it necessary to fight it with very drastic measures," said the Chancellor in the text available to the APA: "It must be clear to everyone in the country: The The situation is serious. ”A new infection rate such as in the neighboring country of the Czech Republic would lead to fatal effects on jobs and companies, bring the health system to the limits of its capacity and in fact cause a second lockdown.
The population should take the situation seriously

"The point now is for the federal states particularly affected to tighten the regions in a targeted manner, since after a certain point in time neither rapid tests nor targeted contact tracing will be possible for the authorities in the federal states concerned," said Kurz.

He also turned to the population: "I appeal to everyone in the country to take the situation seriously and to support the measures." The coming weeks would decide whether the spread of the virus can be slowed down and contained, or whether the coronavirus pandemic can be will cause even greater damage to the health system, jobs and businesses in the country.



Second Side:

The Unreasonableness,Stubbornness,Lack of Insight of a large Part of the Population.
And of course the Fear and Anger.
The more and more widespreading and still continuous "private" Parties for Example or still some People who refuses to wear Masks (but thats an other Topic of course..)
The "Keep Distance" Topic is clearly "from the Table"...it is obviously,that now almost nobody adheres to it anymore (nobody says anything against it,probably for fear of being beaten up ...)
In many Situations (except the Masks) you get the Feeling,there is no Virus Situation...(maybe correct...:D)

The Risk Assessment from the surrounding Countries is maybe not really exactly helpful for Austria either.


"All in One"
Maybe this Combination will lead soon to the next Lock down....

There is this Feeling,that only the Austrian Economy fights against it with all means,certainly justified this Time...maybe.:)
 
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Again, hospitalization rate. :) Indicates, that mostly younger people are contracting it right now, which means you have a little more leniency trying to control it. Making it a federal 'decision' (allowing each province to decide on its own), also plays into this narrative. This leads to more effectiveness (provinces know what to do better) 'on the ground', but would be worse, if its indeed an overbearing issue, that needs to be tackled nationally. (Better execution.)

Economic pressures, yes - but also a change in approach that comes from 'learning' on the execution level. Leaving children out of schools f.e. pretty much served little purpose and had a massive impact. Lockdowns should become used more selectively and more as a 'last resort' measure, than as a 'it might fix it' one.

If you have missed it, read this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...oronavirus-lockdowns-is-taken-out-of-context/

Lockdowns would have worked great, if you administered them early enough, when you have the first outbreak, you cant really gage 'how early' you are in the progression. For austria it seemed pretty darn early, but the countries surrounding austria didnt all manage as well. If you look at 'case infection rate' (how many additional people does one person infect), it still stayed quite low, which indicates, that vectors increased. Not saying this was the fault of neighboring countries - you simply cant tell. (Maybe its a group of people, not caring to follow measures where you didnt catch the common superspreader and that are now disperse within your population.. ;) )

Second time around, a strange 'normalcy' kicks in, where decisions are made more pragmatically - and this is what I am basing my guessing game on. ;)

edit: There is also this strange episode: https://www.derstandard.at/story/20...sage-journalismus-der-seine-folgen-einbezieht

Of a journalist not being able to differenciate between planning and rollout - but hey, maybe he isnt as dumb as he acted by making this public, because he wanted an 'exclusive' and those decisions are made several months before execution.
 
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Again, hospitalization rate. :) Indicates, that mostly younger people are contracting it right now, which means you have a little more leniency trying to control it. Making it a federal 'decision' (allowing each province to decide on its own), also plays into this narrative. This leads to more effectiveness (provinces know what to do better) 'on the ground', but would be worse, if its indeed an overbearing issue, that needs to be tackled nationally. (Better execution.)

Economic pressures, yes - but also a change in approach that comes from 'learning' on the execution level. Leaving children out of schools f.e. pretty much served little purpose and had a massive impact. Lockdowns should become used more selectively and more as a 'last resort' measure, than as a 'it might fix it' one.

If you have missed it, read this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...oronavirus-lockdowns-is-taken-out-of-context/

Lockdowns would have worked great, if you administered them early enough, when you have the first outbreak, you cant really gage 'how early' you are in the progression. For austria it seemed pretty darn early, but the countries surrounding austria didnt all manage as well. If you look at 'case infection rate' (how many additional people does one person infect), it still stayed quite low, which indicates, that vectors increased. Not saying this was the fault of neighboring countries - you simply cant tell. (Maybe its a group of people, not caring to follow measures where you didnt catch the common superspreader and that are now disperse within your population.. ;) )

Second time around, a strange 'normalcy' kicks in, where decisions are made more pragmatically - and this is what I am basing my guessing game on. ;)

edit: There is also this strange episode: https://www.derstandard.at/story/20...sage-journalismus-der-seine-folgen-einbezieht

Of a journalist not being able to differenciate between planning and rollout - but hey, maybe he isnt as dumb as he acted by making this public, because he wanted an 'exclusive' and those decisions are made several months before execution.
Thank you for the Links.:)


Unfortunately,the "Rollercoaster" that one wanted to avoid begins now...

RED Light starts in some Regions in Salzburg

Salzburg tightened CoV measures

In view of the sharp rise in new CoV infections in the state, the State of Salzburg is taking further measures to curb the spread of the virus. In the Hallein district, the Kuchl community is being quarantined, and the ban on private celebrations and gatherings in the district, which only came into force on Tuesday, is being extended to the entire state. The Tennengau is apparently switched to red at the CoV traffic light.

In Tennengau, Flachgau, Pongau and in the city of Salzburg, all pupils from year 9 onwards will be switched to home schooling, and a registration requirement for restaurants will be introduced throughout the state. In addition, there is a ban on events in the whole of Salzburg if there are no assigned seats - whether inside or outside. In addition, the serving of food and drinks is prohibited. The measures will apply from Saturday until November 1st, midnight.

Governor Wilfried Haslauer (ÖVP) described the current development in Salzburg as dramatic at the press conference. The new CoV regulation will be published on Friday, come into force on Saturday and initially apply until November 1st.
Tennengau is switched to red

The Tennengau will be switched to red at the coronavirus traffic light, the Pongau and Flachgau will be orange, the state capital and the Lungau will stay yellow, it said. The infection process is currently still inconspicuous in Pinzgau. The main criterion for assessing the current situation is the occupancy rate of the hospitals. “It is foreseeable that in two weeks we will have reached the limit of supply. That is why we have to take measures to avoid a lockdown, ”said Haslauer - more on this in salzburg.ORF.at.
The population should take the situation seriously

In view of the increasing number of infections across Austria, Federal Chancellor Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP) asked the federal states in writing to tighten measures on Thursday. In several federal states, the numbers have reached "very worrying levels".

"We are currently seeing a massive spread of the virus in some cities and countries in Europe, which makes it necessary to fight it with very drastic measures," said the Chancellor in the text available to the APA: "It must be clear to everyone in the country: The The situation is serious. ”A new infection rate such as in the neighboring country of the Czech Republic would lead to fatal effects on jobs and companies, bring the health system to the limits of its capacity and in fact cause a second lockdown.

"The point now is for the federal states particularly affected to tighten the regulations in the regions, since after a certain point in time neither rapid tests nor targeted contact tracing will be possible for the authorities in the federal states concerned," said Kurz.

He also turned to the population: "I appeal to all people in the country to take the situation seriously and to support the measures." The coming weeks would decide whether the spread of the virus can be slowed down and contained or whether the pandemic can be much bigger Damage to the health system, jobs and businesses in the country will be caused.
 

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From your last Link:

Has the French government failed in the fight against the corona pandemic ?

Austria partially admitted that now after 6 Months ....

Personal Note:
I am a little "sad" I should have stored the Video(s) from ORF News Broadcast in January....
This insolent and condescending grin of the Moderator...after the first Pictures of that (over)full chinese Hospital (which is collapsing later...)

"In Austria this can not happen....."
 

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New CoV measures possible soon

Health Minister Rudolf Anschober (Greens) signals a tightening of the nationwide measures to protect against the spread of the corona virus. This is currently being worked out, he said on Thursday in ZIB2. When asked about the time, he said: "I would not rule out that this could be in the coming days."

Honestly,after reading the whole Article.....
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https://orf.at/stories/3185407/

Anschober also indicated an end to the visors, which are mainly used in gastronomy instead of mouth and nose protection: one knows from studies that the protection is "drastically reduced" compared to mouth and nose protection. That is why measures are already being prepared so that the mask “that is on the side, that this should be the means of our actions in Austria in the future”.




The SPÖ accused Kurz of scaremongering. Kurz only delivers headlines without speaking to those affected, said Federal Managing Director Christian Deutsch in a broadcast: "Corona crisis management needs prudence, seriousness and foresight and not a turquoise Chancellor Kurz, who poses as chief virologist and spreads fear and panic." Briefly, contradictions were churned out, I saw the light at the end of the tunnel and a little later gave the "panic chancellor", criticized Deutsch and demanded an objective assessment of the situation by experts.




This is no longer a Matter of Health......now it's ONLY more political......maybe.vain.gif
 

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