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    Lets not focus on the negative. ;) Covid-19 new infections arent. :)
     
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    Yes of course,these are two independent Things and has nothing to do with each others Topic....:)
     
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    In the City of Salzburg again Mouthmasks in Authority Buildings

    https://orf.at/stories/3172900/

    The city of Salzburg reintroduces the mask requirement in some official buildings. It is said in a broadcast that it is about the highly frequented offices and those with many customers from the Western Balkans. In addition, the protective measures in the senior homes are tightened again.

    The obligation to wear a mask applies immediately to the official building at Schwarzstrasse 44 with the health office, trade office and foreigners authority. There is also a sensitive customer traffic from the Western Balkans, for which there are again travel warnings, it says in the broadcast. The obligation to wear a mask also applies in the official areas of the Kiesel building, for example in the residential service, child and youth welfare or the registration service.

    The head of the municipal district administration authority, Michael Haybäck says: "Since we expect an increasing number of infected people, the city of Salzburg is increasing the protective measures". The head of the municipal district administration authority, Michael Haybäck says: "Since we expect an increasing number of infected people, the city of Salzburg is increasing the protective measures".

    As of Thursday midday, 43 CoV cases were reported to the authorities in the state, 24 of them in the city of Salzburg.

    Plague carpets for senior citizens' homes

    The protective measures in the city's senior homes are gradually tightened. Haybäck and Patrick Pfeifenberger, head of the social department, have agreed this. In addition to the mandatory mask and the visit log, epidemic carpets, i.e. mats soaked with disinfectant, are used again at the entrance. Access controls and visitor restrictions will be intensified. So far, no Covid infection has been reported in the six urban senior housing.
    Home quarantine after a trip to the Balkans

    Haybäck also draws attention to the current federal entry regulation, according to which people from some Balkan countries must immediately start a 14-day self-monitored home quarantine unless they have a current, negative coronavirus test.

    What is also important to Mention,"many" infectetd People came from outside Austria - back from "Holidays".....

    I see many "Persons" they leave Austria this Week/Weekend for Holidays in different Countries - with the Argument "
    I don't care, I'm now going on my well-deserved vacation"
    .....I could not believed it,but this ignorance and stupidity can still be surpassed...
     
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    If it is not inside Austria then we make it outside.People are so unreasonable.
    https://orf.at/stories/3173350/

    (It is pretty sure these are not only the Germans.....)

    Few masks, hardly any distance: Pictures from Mallorca's party strongholds are currently causing a stir - also across the Spanish borders. Because hundreds of British and German holidaymakers are said to have hardly followed the corona virus precautionary measures when celebrating. "We have to be very careful not to make Ballermann a second Ischgl," said German Health Minister Jens Spahn (CDU).

    "Chaos", headlined the regional newspaper "Ultima Hora" on Sunday with reference to pictures of crowds crowded together in front of the bars on Playa del Palma. The "Mallorca Zeitung" published a video the day before that shows people on Friday evening on the famous "Bierstrasse" in the dense crowds while partying, drinking and dancing - "as if there was no corona," says the "MZ".

    The pictures from the weekend would have worried him, Spahn said on Monday. There are rules that should be observed. “Wherever people celebrate, the risk of infection is particularly high,” warned Spahn. If the holidaymakers then return home, there is a risk of infection on the plane and at home. That was to prevent together "especially in travel and vacation times". “The danger of a second wave is real. We should remain vigilant and should not be cocky. "

    "I don't understand this type of tourist"

    "I do not understand these types of tourists who come here and pretend that nothing has ever happened," Frank Winkler, spokesman for the neighborhood association Playa de Palma, is quoted by the ARD "Tagesschau". "It's just irresponsible. And of course that also leaves the Germans in a very bad light. ”

    Those pictures would also hinder efforts by the tourism industry and the government of the Balearic Islands, which is critical of drinking tourism: "We have worked hard in recent years so that such excesses do not repeat themselves," said Pepe Tirado, President of the Association of Tourism Entrepreneurs in Mallorca ACOTUR, on Mallorcan TV.

    Meanwhile there were similar scenes not only at Ballermann, but also in other parts of the island. For example, according to the media, in Magaluf, which is particularly popular with British people, west of the island's capital, where party holidaymakers danced on parked cars and caused considerable damage to property. There have been some arrests here, according to Ultima Hora.

    Regional government approved penalty catalog

    The regional government in Palma had only decided on Friday, after the first illegal, but still much smaller parties in bars and parks, a penalty catalog with fines of up to 600,000 euros for violations while celebrating - and also announced increased controls. The Balearic Islands opened their borders to foreign tourists in mid-June.

    However, the police hardly showed up at Ballermann for the time being, the "MZ" noted. Hardly anyone had observed the minimum distance of one and a half meters prescribed by the Spanish government, and some people who wore a mask were laughed at, some media also reported. According to the "Mallorca Zeitung", the scenes showed "how great the risk of a second corona wave in Mallorca could be". The risk of infection outdoors has been classified by experts as rather low.


    Preparation for extensive mask requirements

    Meanwhile, on Mallorca and the other Balearic Islands, an extensive mask requirement comes into force on Monday. The authorities are thus following the example of Catalonia and Extremadura. There, wearing a mask over your mouth and nose is practically mandatory everywhere outside your own four walls, even if you can keep a safe distance from other people.

    La Rioja, Navarre and Asturias are also preparing such a mask requirement. For the Balearic Islands, the corresponding regulation should be published in the regional law gazette on Monday and take effect immediately, Spanish media reported. Those who do not adhere to the mask requirement risk a fine of 100 euros. In the first few days, however, there should initially only be warnings.
     
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    While entirely understandable and rectified, there is another angle to this. :) Palma wanted to 'phase out' that type of tourism for a long time.. ;) I believe recently even the royals in those parts had a photoshooting OP to help with the 'reimagining' of Palma to become another type of tourist destination..;)

    That said, drinking cheap wine out of buckets, and foam parties, probably not so good for Covid-19 either.. ;)

    (This is mainly me gossiping.. ;) Pay no attention. :) )

    edit: see f.e.: https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-...o-mallorca-to-promote-new-normality-in-spain/
     
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    "Masks are again modern and on everyone's lips"

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    A return to the obligation to wear a mask in retail is again in the offing in Austria. In the delicatessen at Billa and Merkur, employees have been wearing mouth-nose protection since last week, a spokesman for the REWE retail group confirmed. This could also be imminent for customers. The industry expressed understanding, although it conceded that this was also accompanied by a drop in sales and frequency.

    Since the reintroduction of the mask requirement in Upper Austria, sales and frequency have decreased by up to 25 percent compared to the beginning of July, according to the trade association. But retailers understand: "Health comes first and is above everything else."
    For Kogler "worth considering"

    For Vice Chancellor Werner Kogler (Greens), a return to the requirement to wear a mask in supermarkets, as recently demanded by SPÖ leader Pamela Rendi-Wagner, "is certainly a proposal worth considering," said Kogler today.

    “The domestic dealers will of course continue to comply with the official requirements. Individual political opinions are of course permissible, but not binding for us as an industry, ”said the trade association.


    In the Meantime in Salzburg:

    Police inspections as a new CoV infection cluster

    In the city of Salzburg, the health authority is reporting a new corona cluster. It is about officials from the two police inspections, Hauptbahnhof and Itzling. According to official information, three police officers are currently infected.

    At the police station inspection there should be two, a third policeman joins the Itzling inspection. However, one does not yet know the so-called index person from whom the infection started, says city police commandant Manfred Lindenthaler. 70 men and women of the executive will be tested on Tuesday. Until when the results are available, that is still unclear.
    Both inspections closed

    The city health authority is currently contacting the officials concerned. The police have closed both offices and all employees have been taken out of service. Only when your test results are available will you decide on how to proceed. The two inspections are disinfected, as are the emergency vehicles. In the meantime, neighboring departments take over the tasks of the inspections Bahnhof and Itzling.
    Third cluster in Salzburg

    The authority now classifies the outbreak as "Cluster C". Cluster A, which goes back to the Rotarian club meeting in mid-June, is now declining. Cluster B in private retirement homes could be "encapsulated" by the authority (German for the authorities). He was stable.

    https://salzburg.orf.at/stories/3057865/
     
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    ..unfortunately bad News today....
    (I really hoped,I was wrong...really...)

    https://noe.orf.at/stories/3058053/

    In a slaughterhouse in Eggenburg (Horn district), 29 people were infected with the coronavirus, the confirmed health minister Ulrike Königsberger-Ludwig (SPÖ) on Wednesday on the sidelines of a press conference.

    “There are currently 244 employees, almost the whole company. There is now no official closure, but because all employees are segregated or a large part is segregated, it is virtually a closure. I have short-circuited myself with the medical director in advance. At the moment that is the state of affairs and we are still waiting for 40 tests that are still open, ”said the Health Minister.

    At first, 24 positive cases were mentioned on the sidelines of a press appointment in St. Pölten. "That was our stand when we went to the press conference," said the spokesman. Meanwhile, there was also a clarification on the discovery of the cluster in the company. An employee of the slaughterhouse showed symptoms, contacted the hotline 1450 and was subsequently tested positive for the corona virus. A screening measure already planned for the company was finally brought forward and made the infections known.
    Cases uncovered in screening program

    As the "NÖN" report online, the company decided after the recent positive cases in slaughterhouses in Upper Austria to have the employees tested voluntarily on a project of the Food Safety Agency (AGES) on CoV. Königsberger-Ludwig also confirmed that the cases were uncovered through a screening program.

    "There is a screening program together with the AGES, where we mainly undertake and carry out our slaughterhouses in Lower Austria together with the AGES screening programs due to the incidents in Germany. And with these screening programs, the people who tested positive were noticed. "

    Such screening was also carried out for employees of a slaughterhouse in Melk. There was no positive case there, emphasized Königsberger-Ludwig.


    https://noe.orf.at/stories/3058017/

    Wr. Neustadt: Nine cases in free church clusters

    The number of coronavirus cases in the vicinity of Wiener Neustadt's “Pentecostal Church of God” rose from four to nine on Wednesday. The state medical staff now speaks of a cluster in relation to the Free Church.
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    The testing of a total of 270 separate contact persons continued on Thursday morning. After the Free Church cluster in Upper Austria, which includes more than 200 people, it was announced on Tuesday that there are now also first cases in a Free Church in Wr. Neustadt should give.
    Königsberger-Ludwig: "Well captured at the moment"

    With regard to the cluster in the vicinity of the “Pentecostal Church of God” in Vienna, the state of Lower Austria is in close contact with the district administrative authorities. Immediately after the first case became known, tests were carried out, followed by contact tracing and the segregation of 270 people, said Lower Austria's state health minister Ulrike Königsberger-Ludwig (SPÖ) at a press appointment on Wednesday.

    Those affected now had the task of "carrying out self-observations". "Without a doubt," the health minister reckoned, "with one or the other positive among the 270". Nine infected people were counted until Wednesday afternoon. In any case, the cluster was “well captured at the moment because the people are in quarantine,” said Königsberger-Ludwig. "We believe that these measures will not spread the virus as widely as it did recently in Upper Austria."

    In the meantime, all churches of the "Pentecostal Church of God" faith group in all of Austria have been closed, Ion Paduretu, spokesman for the umbrella organization of the Pentecostal churches in Austria, told noe.ORF.at.

    https://kaernten.orf.at/stories/3058015/

    New infection and mask requirement in Wolfsberg

    The Land of Carinthia reported a new infection in Wolfsberg on Wednesday morning. The contact tracing in the affected woman is running. The district administration Wolfsberg prescribed a mask requirement in certain public areas over the weekends.

    The obligation to wear mouth-nose protection applies in certain public areas of the city of Wolfsberg on Fridays from 9 p.m. to 2 a.m. on Saturdays and from 9 p.m. to 2 a.m. on Sundays. The district government ordered it specifically for the following public places: Johann-Offner-Straße (plots number 150/7 and 150/8, each KG 77258 Wolfsberg Obere Stadt) in the spatial area between the traffic sign "KURZPARKZONE" at the level of the object Johann- Offner-Straße 11 and the traffic sign "BEGEGNUNGSZONE" at the level of Hoher Platz No. 21.

    B70 Packer Straße (plot number 316/2, KG 77232 Priel) and its side street (plot number 244/13, KG 77232 Priel) in the spatial area between road kilometers 92,663 and 92,796; Lagerstraße (plot number 185/24, KG 77232 Priel) in the spatial area between the plot numbers 185/16 and 185/21, each KG 77232 Priel.
    Cluster in Klagenfurt

    A case was reported last week at a theater workshop in Klagenfurt. According to information from the state, contact tracing for the infected woman resulted in 62 contact persons of category 1. In this cluster there are a total of four infected persons in the city of Klagenfurt.

    Governor Peter Kaiser (SPÖ) and Education Director Robert Klinglmair are still in quarantine. Kaiser has been tested negative three times, Klinglmair has been negative once and will be tested again before quitting his quarantine next week. You are one of the contact persons for an infected Klagenfurt woman who was at a ceremony. A total of 120 people, including 35 students, are tested in this cluster. In exceptional cases also those contact persons who do not belong to category 1.
    Currently, 17 people are infected with the corona virus in Carinthia.
     
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    Update:

    The number of coronavirus infections associated with the Wr. Neustadt cluster around the Free Church Pentecostal Church of God rose on Thursday from nine to 22 on the previous day. There are now 38 cases in the slaughterhouse cluster.

    https://noe.orf.at/stories/3058179/

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    The next "great" idea from Politics:

    Kids/Childs can go to the Kindergarten,even they have "a Sniff/Cold".

    https://orf.at/stories/3173549/

    "Better with a cold in kindergarten"

    The summer vacation has only just begun, but the uncertainty of how everyday life in kindergartens and schools will continue in autumn hangs like a sword of Damocles over many parents. On the one hand, groups of children can be closed quickly from one day to the next if there is a suspected CoV case. On the other hand, some kindergarten operators require clarification from the pediatrician even with slight cooling.

    Sick children have to stay at home. But with colds and fever of (small) children there is a lot of room for interpretation. The decision as to whether it was a cold or a suspected CoV case was a "balancing act" for both parents and kindergartens, according to the Wiener Kinderfreunde, operators of around 140 kindergartens: "Every suspected case must be clarified, that is because Responsibility of the operator, ”says ORF.at. Cold symptoms should be taken just as seriously.

    For the clarification, kindergarten operators advise parents either to call the hotline 1450 or - in most cases - to have an examination at the pediatrician beforehand. In the past few weeks, many children "with banal symptoms were sent from kindergartens to be examined for the coronavirus", says the Viennese pediatrician Peter Voitl from his practice: "This is terrible. That paralyzes the whole system. ”There is not enough time in the practices for chronically ill children. It will also be difficult for the parents, because each child has an average of eight to ten colds in autumn and winter.
    I don't even want to think about autumn

    Pediatrician Marlies Haslinger has also seen an increase in demand over the past few weeks due to a runny nose, cough and fever. In the ORF.at interview, Haslinger says that she “doesn't want to think about autumn, when these infections become more common”. "Pediatricians are expected to rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection and receive written confirmation, but this is not clinically possible. A test is always required here, ”Tyrolean pediatrician Klaus Kapelari told ORF.at.
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    Runny nose or CoV infection? Kindergartens usually refer parents to pediatricians for clarification of this question

    "Even cold children must be able to go to kindergarten," is Voitl's appeal. Because the grandparents belonged to the risk group, and if one parent takes care of several children, the virus spreads uncontrollably. Voitl: "So it is better to go to kindergarten with a cold." Especially since children are not super spreaders. The recommendations of the Ministry of Health on protective measures in kindergartens do not count runny nose as one of the symptoms that are suspected of being a CoV.
    Children as CoV “brake blocks”

    A recent study from the German state of Saxony shows that children are not a driver for the spread of the virus. In a study of 1,500 students and 500 teachers between May and July, SARS-CoV-2 antibodies were only found in twelve people - although tests were also carried out in schools with CoV cases. "Children may even be a brake on infection," said study author Reinhard Berner from the University Hospital Dresden. It can be derived from the study that there is no explosive spread in schools in a region with low infection numbers.

    Kindergarten operators made similar observations. 150 CoV tests have been carried out at the 91 KIWI locations in Vienna since mid-March. Three of them were positive: two parents, one employee and no child. The previous record of the Wiener Kinderfreunde looks similar. Out of 200 tests in around 50 kindergartens, two children and one employee tested positive. In Salzburg, 300 under six-year-olds were tested because of those affected in the family association: three percent of them were infected with the corona virus.
    Closure in case of suspected CoV

    However, due to the requirements of the authorities, the tests resulted in the closure of groups or entire kindergartens - until the respective test results were available. And that can currently take several days. That tugs at the nervous costumes of everyone involved: with parents who no longer have any leave or care leave. For the children who are allowed to go to kindergarten, then again not. For the kindergarten operators who want to protect themselves as best as possible due to the consequences of a specific suspected CoV and therefore in some cases want clarification from the pediatrician in the event of mild symptoms.

    As soon as the kindergarten is informed about a child's CoV test, this group must be closed in accordance with the current official requirements until the test result is available. Pediatrician Haslinger sees in practice that many parents prefer to have a CoV test for a runny nose to protect themselves and "so they don't have to stay at home".

    Vacation and leave of absence used up

    The KIWI managing director in Vienna advocates using other criteria such as a cold wave in the area for a decision to close a group. It is crucial, however, that parents get more security, says Gerold-Siegl, and the right to a home office in the event of official closure or - if that is not possible - special leave.

    Many parents have already taken leave and leave of absence. Many employers refer to the option of unpaid leave if there is a spontaneous group closure in kindergarten. In the meantime there is also a petition "Families in Crisis", which demands that the kindergarten must remain open until the test result is available. In addition, faster test results are needed. By Wednesday evening, over 2,700 people had signed the petition.
    Work on rules

    Some of those involved - pediatricians, parents, kindergartens - feel left alone with the problems. The call for clear guidelines from the health authorities and faster test results is loud. SPÖ education spokeswoman Sonja Hammerschmid also calls for nationwide rules, at least for schools. Classes or schools should not be closed indiscriminately and across the board, but only based on evidence, combined with a comprehensive test strategy.

    The Austrian Society for Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine advocates regular operation in schools in autumn. A closure harbors the risk of greater inequalities, especially for children from disadvantaged families. In cooperation with the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Education and the health authorities, guidelines are currently being worked on, which should apply to the new school year, according to ORF.at. At the same time, solutions for the coming weeks and autumn are being noted at the country level.

    Pediatrician Voitl develops recommendations for autumn with the Vienna State Medical Directorate

    A concept for educational institutions for autumn is being worked on in Vienna. And pediatrician Voitl, together with experts from the Medical Association and the Vienna State Medical Directorate, develops guidelines aimed at parents, kindergartens and pediatricians. They should be published as soon as possible. For example, according to Voitl, parents should regularly disinfect objects that are frequently attacked, such as cell phones and door clasps, “but do not lock up the children at home”. The pediatrician sends the message to the kindergartens: "Not every runny nose needs a coronavirus test." And the limited medical resources must be handled with care.
    The flu wave challenge

    Because in autumn and winter a flu wave is expected again - with symptoms similar to those of a Covid 19 disease. Accordingly, other federal states are preparing for these challenges in autumn. In Tyrol, for example, experts from the state work with representatives of the medical association to ensure that doctors have sufficient protective materials and that test results are available more quickly.

    Salzburg wants to do without large-scale kindergarten and school closures, as was the case in Upper Austria recently, NEOS family member Andrea Klambauer told ORF.at. Until a test result is available, only individual groups should be closed in the event of a suspected case. In coordination with the State Medical Directorate, Klambauer wants to achieve a result within one day by testing pedagogues by autumn.
    Tests only snapshot

    Neither medical representatives nor kindergartens can gain much from NEOS 'demand in Vienna to test children of compulsory school and kindergarten age at least in the first three weeks of the new school and kindergarten year. That is a snapshot. Voitl: "If that were the case, you would have to test all winter." But kindergarten operator Gerold-Siegl is also convinced that testing is not realistic.
     
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    Our People in Austria are "seemingly" a little "not so intelligent" and learned nothing from the Past...
    (Of course,in Relation to the actual Covid-19 in the USA for Example,it is "nothing"....we are a smaller Country with less Citizens.:))

    16 Days later:

    https://orf.at/stories/3173859/

    Medical association for return to mandatory mask

    The Austrian Medical Association (ÖÄK) spoke out on Thursday for a far-reaching reintroduction of the mask requirement. It is about closed spaces such as supermarkets and shops. “The voluntary system doesn't work. If it doesn't work voluntarily, you have to make it compulsory, and as soon as possible, ”said ÖAK President Thomas Szekeres at a press conference.

    Austria's numbers are very good. "They rise slowly, do not explode," stated the doctor. It is up to ourselves that it stays that way. Szekeres therefore once again appealed to keep his distance, wash hands and, especially in closed rooms, to use mouth-nose protection.

    Infectiologist and ÖÄK Vice President Herwig Lindner said: "We are in a phase of cooling off the pandemic and this phase must be used." The measures taken by the government had been used, but the curve of new infections was rising again. There were deficits in crisis management here and there - such as a lack of masks in March and April - "this must not happen a second time".

    Mouth and nose protection is currently only mandatory in Austria in a few areas - for example in pharmacies, for services when the one-meter distance cannot be maintained, and in public transport. The discipline is mixed. About every tenth passenger on the Graz public transport system does not comply with the obligation to wear a mask. From Monday, there are fines of 50 euros - more on that in

    At Wiener Linien, you pay up to 60 euros for the mask refusal, and ÖBB is now also imposing a fine: Those who do not comply with the train staff's request and who do not wear mouth-nose protection can be expelled from the train, the ÖBB reported on Thursday. According to the ÖBB, the majority of passengers also want the mask requirement to be met.

    National and EU-wide strategies required

    The lessons have to be learned, especially at EU level, Lindner said: There is a dependency on low-wage countries in the production of medicines and protective equipment. You have to be able to produce protective equipment, basic medication and other medicines yourself. "We must guarantee independence in the future," emphasized Lindner.
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    CoV: How can Austria best get through the summer?

    At the national level, state management must be put ahead of it in the event of crises that affect the entire country. "We have to conclude contracts for who is responsible for warehousing," said the ÖÄK Vice President. In the case of large pandemics and epidemics in the area of private practice, it is also not possible to give individual doctors the responsibility of ensuring that there is enough protective equipment in the ordinations.
    Warning of trivialization by opponents of vaccination

    The infectiologist also warned against a decrease in vaccination readiness. "There will be a vaccine. We can do it, ”the infectiologist was convinced, citing smallpox and polio as examples. "The government says we will have to live with the virus - yes. But only for a certain period of time. "But opponents of vaccination would already start to form," and that is a danger. They trivialize the virus, ”criticized Lindner.

    Szekeres also advocated linking medication data from the ELGA and / or social security with those from the electronic reporting system (EMS) and the medical histories from the hospitals. According to the ÖÄK President, this could serve to identify drugs that are effective against SARS-CoV-2. "If I find a connection between a mild course of Covid 19 disease and certain premedications," you may have an effective medication. The data would of course be compared anonymously.
    Country "must afford resources"

    Lindner also opposed "red pencil acrobats" who would form to reduce hospital beds, especially intensive care beds. The pandemic has shown that this should be assessed differently. For example, only one Covid-19 patient can lie in a four-bed room, which corresponds to an occupancy rate of 25 percent, but according to Lindner, this should not be expected. "It is very important that Austria, as a rich country, affords the appropriate resources," the infectiologist appealed. Not least to avoid situations like those in Italy and France during the coronavirus crisis.

    Szekeres appealed to take containment seriously: anyone who shows symptoms should stay at home and request testing via the hotline 1450. Last but not least, it is important to differentiate in view of the general symptoms that can also occur with other viral infections.


    Update:

    Number of active cases increased again

    According to current figures from the Ministry of Health (as of today, 11:00 a.m.), the number of active coronavirus cases in Austria has risen again. 1,315 people are infected, 46 more than the previous day. However, the number of sick people in the hospital dropped by three to 83. Eleven of them are in the intensive care unit.

    So far, 685 people in Austria have died from the coronavirus, whereby the definition of the epidemiological reporting system (EMS) is decisive for the count.

    A total of 19,195 positive tests have been reported so far. A total of 726,345 tests were carried out and registered.

    https://orf.at/stories/3173810/
     
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    New infections in Austria are rising, but still at a linear and low casecount level. :)

    Afair currently the SPÖ is the only politcal fraction that demands masks in supermarkets at this point again ( - we already had them).

    And to be perfectly honest, first - I was a little bit extatic myself to not have to wear them in supermarkets, so voluntary wouldnt have worked in my case either.. ;)

    Remember, we are at a case number (low) where 'contact tracing' is still a thing. (Still possible) So currently people are mostly worried about, and mostly looking into 'new potential clusters' of infections.

    And if they would see a high cluster in supermarkets, I think we wouldnt have retracted those measures there.. ;)

    Also this - mostly should be a political decision between 'whats needed' (and how urgently) and 'give people a little room to breath after a (successful) curfew. But I havent looked into the argumentation of the Austrian Medical Association (ÖÄK) yet.
     
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    My Thoughts on this actual Situation....

    It really seems again....they have no idea what they should do next...
    Maybe it is difficult.....difficult because our People ar a little "unreasonable".

    They can not say "Wear Masks again"...not again,not now.
    A very great Amount of People will boycott...
    (Cinemas/Events and so an are about to "Re open"......)

    .....and then it maybe "starts".

    Police had to control and "punish"....yes of course.....with which ones ?
    They are also "pissed" on the Situation...
    (I know many of them ....they had "enough" of the actual Situation....)

    A second Mask "Wave"....this will not work again as good as the First....
     
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    Yes, a little bit of everything you said. ;) But thats political decision making for you. If they fail - they might loose at the next election.. ;)

    Police had an interesting job lets say - to enforce directives, that maybe had no legal backing, but were necessary to become a standard behaviorally. (Most people that actually were 'fined' will go free, because of formal/legal backing issues).

    Cinemas again will reopen, but with seating rearrangement rules, same issue as with small theaters (art), where if you are a small outfit, it might not prove profitable to reopen.

    Its all about this strange new normal until the next ramp up of measures, which in austria - looking at case numbers, might still take a while. (Selectively they already did in some hotspots (Velden).)

    Also it does make sense to ramp up measures a little around the end of the year (winter), and you want to keep compliance good until that point as well.

    No one knows for certain, thats for sure, but at the same time everyone kind of makes educated guesses. And the data needed for those is there and out in the open. And Austria is still pretty flexible, because casecount is still low, and growth is not that problematic either, yet. :)

    The thing is, if you could 'almost eradicate' it now, but then have a reinfection potential from other parts of the world, where the virus is not under control at all - it kind of changes your calculation also... (There is no goal 'try to keep it as low as possible to eventually eradicate it. It still is - minimize victims until a treatment or cure become available.)
     
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    The Situation is now typical for Austria,no one will be the first who says "Mask agains"....
    Print Medias "again pours Oil into the Discussions and spread falsehoods ...."

    https://orf.at/stories/3174192/

    Mask requirement in the supermarket before comeback

    There will soon be a mask requirement again in supermarkets, as recently reported by the "Kronen Zeitung", "Kurier" and "Austria". According to the "Kurier", Chancellor Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP) had spoken in favor of the return of the mask requirement "in certain areas".

    In an interview with the daily newspaper "Austria", Kurz said: "We will advise on the areas in which we will reintroduce the mask requirement." Vice Chancellor Werner Kogler (Greens) in the "Courier" interview: "The idea is that you should Supermarket to wear the mask again. If you don't have a mask with you, the supermarkets should make the masks available again. ”However, Kogler was skeptical when it came to nationwide mask requirements.

    Kogler had already commented on the topic in an interview published on Friday with the "Vorarlberger Nachrichten": "There is still a lot to do for a nationwide general mask requirement. However, the debate about the requirement to wear a mask in supermarkets should be differentiated. ”The question is different because“ everyone has to go there. However, I can choose whether I go to a football stadium or not. ”
    Anschober: "No reason for alarmism"

    The number of new infections increased - after several days with more than a hundred new infections - by 65 from Saturday morning to Sunday morning. "This situation is not a reason for alarmism, but it must be taken very seriously and must be followed very professionally and consistently," said Health Minister Rudolf Anschober (Greens) in a broadcast on Sunday. If nationwide measures are necessary, these could be implemented again at short notice, Anschober previously.

    Government meeting scheduled for Monday

    As the APA learned from the Chancellery, Kurz held a conference call on Sunday evening during the break in the Brussels negotiations with Kogler as well as with the Minister of the Interior and Karl Nehammer (ÖVP). It should be about a “rough vote”. The employees should then discuss the details overnight. Actually, people wanted to come together for advice on Sunday.

    After Kurz's return from Brussels, a physical meeting with the responsible government officials in Vienna is planned for Monday. When exactly this will take place has not yet been determined, it also depends on the course of the negotiations in Brussels, it said. In any case, the public should be informed after this meeting.

    There is currently no uniform obligation when it comes to wearing mouth and nose protection. Regional regulations are in force in Upper Austria, Salzburg and Carinthia. Nationwide, the mask must be put on in the "public transport", in doctor's offices and hospitals, in pharmacies, for services without a minimum distance, and in certain areas of indoor events.
    SPÖ for return to the mask requirement in the supermarket

    The SPÖ is also in favor of a return to wearing masks in supermarkets, as was again emphasized in a press release on Saturday. “Everyone has to go to the supermarket to get groceries. Even risk groups cannot choose this. However, due to the local conditions, the safety distance cannot always be maintained. Only a mask requirement helps, ”said health spokesman Philip Kucher. The Austrian Chamber of Physicians (ÖÄK) also recently advocated a far-reaching reintroduction of the mask requirement.
    Kogler on traffic light system: No majority in countries

    The traffic light system that had already been announced was another topic at the weekend: "The traffic light system, on which the Ministry of Health is already working, must now be implemented quickly so that no patchwork of different measures is created across Austria, but that the countries can proceed uniformly in the districts" Kurz said to "Austria".
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    As a reason that the 17 guidelines for the federal states and the traffic light system are not yet ready, Kogler saw that "there was no majority among the provincial governors to undertake regional differentiated measures at all". The "17-point action program against a second wave" is "completely on schedule", it said in a message from the Ministry of Health - the same applies to the traffic light system.
     
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    Luxenburg and Austria, edit: and Singapore, Slovenia, are seemingly the only countries where 'wearing facemasks in supermarkets' was a thing (compulsory - for a time, for the entire public):
    https://www.health.govt.nz/system/f..._around_face_masks_and_covid-19-15may2020.pdf

    Perspective.. ;)

    edit: Other countries (with higher infection rates) made them compulsory, when going outside. (So a stricter ruleset).

    But you can compare daily new infection numbers (just change austria at the end of this link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/austria/ ) to any number of other countries, most of which have employed laxer measures than austria (in the first period of 'Covid-19 action'). You have a list of measures taken by country in the first pdf.
     
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    The Funny Thing:

    There are no Covid-19 "Clusters" in an Supermarket/Shop reported....as many People/Politicians already mentioned.
     
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    Yes. Part of this might be, because its hard to measure. (Need cellphone tracing for that - so you'd have do research if south korea or singapore f.e. have produced data.) Part of it might be, because most people are keeping more distance when interacting with others (even though in supermarkets there is a reported lack of it), part of it is because 'surface infections' (you touching a thing after another person) reportedly arent very high with Covid-19. Part of it might be, because of other measures the dark figure (at least in countries that could control spread) might not be very high (+100% maybe ;) ), because people are self isolating, and getting tested.

    Peter Hacker (SPÖ) was in the media before stating that they are actively looking for clusters (increasing mandatory distributed testing (sample testing) in large companies) and so far supermarkets havent shown up as significant sources for clusters.

    But again, I'm sure that if infection rate increases, they'll bring back masks in supermarkets as well.. ;) Currently it is trending down again.. (for two days, but still. ;) ) at a low case count (in Austria).
     
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