(US-Election) So howsabout voting by mail?

Xzi · Aug 18, 2020

sarkwalvein said:
What is the point of this derailed thread?
Why do people keep going round and round in this excuse for a discussion? Is this a joke?
I only see obtuse people in here that really want to throw shit on the table, dirty any topic and confuse the conversation, and avoid any type of valid discussion.
Why not to abort this thread already if these are the conditions? It is futile.
This thread is a joke.

Yeah it's gone quite a bit off-topic now, though I do suppose COVID is fair game since that's a big part of what initiated the discussion on mail-in ballots. Really though they should be two completely separate topics, as any properly-functioning democracy shouldn't need an an active pandemic to encourage access to the most convenient and secure method of voting available in the modern day.

notimp · Aug 18, 2020

Hanafuda said:
Postmaster General just suspended all USPS "operational changes" till after the election. Won't be enough for Democrats. Watch.

Actually the issue is distrust in email voting being sown, to be able to declare himself the winner prior to all mail votes being counted ('because it takes so long'). Thats the fear he played with (''i dont want to fund the postal system so we can have more mail voting'), I think as long as thats not happening, everybody is good..

Watch.

Meanwhile, President Trump delivered an historic peace deal between Israel and UAE a few days ago, got only cursory coverage by the press.

Ask the palestinians on how 'historic'. Palestinians, you know, the reason for Banksys original baloon girl:

and the "Walled off" hotel installation?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/banksy-opens-bethlehem-barrier-wall-hotel

'Historic deal' is basically bringing the two main US allies in the region, Israel and UAE (United arabic emirates) closer together to strongarm everyone else into submission. Historic deal entails, saying over and over again, that now, that israels illegal settlement projects have matured, there really is no way for a two state solution anymore.

In further news, the Empire just called to announce historic solution for Alderan under project name "No more Alderan." Later, maybe in about two years, to be renamed "Alderan, whats that - did that exist?".

edit: Also who can remember the historic peace deal proceedings where palestinians werent even invited:

Great music. Was that composed for the occasion?

Hanafuda · Aug 18, 2020

Xzi said:
Someone watches too much Fox News.

I've hardly watched American commercial TV since 1987. I snag the odd HBO or Netflix show that I'm interested to binge, but network TV nope, and cable ... well the last cable channel I spent time watching was Cartoon Network in 90's. Space Ghost Coast to Coast, MST3K.

I do watch a good bit of Japanese TV though. Maybe they're the ones brainwashing me.

Xzi · Aug 18, 2020

Hanafuda said:
I've hardly watched American commercial TV since 1987.

Ah, so you tuned out toward the end of the Reagan era. Makes sense that that might lead you to the same thought processes as modern mainstream conservative media, in a roundabout sort of way.

Hanafuda · Aug 18, 2020

Xzi said:
Ah, so you tuned out toward the end of the Reagan era. Makes sense that that might lead you to the same thought processes as modern mainstream conservative media, in a roundabout sort of way.

Never said I tuned out. I just stopped watching the idiot box.

Worry about yourself.

notimp · Aug 18, 2020

Also lets watch the new 'historic' propaganda video for a bit:

edit: Btw. saying that this one was built out of a US presidents great leadership and bonding skills is like saying that state promises are promises born out of of honor, fulfilled by duty... Entirely BS.

UAE needed to basically shift business models, US said - great, how about you talk it over with Israel, and then we help you two rule the region for the forseeable future?

All the leadership and skill needed to broker that. So much WOW!

edit2: (First great achievement mentioned by Jared in the new video diddy?
"We talked with Saudi Arabia to found and build two Counter Terrorism Centers in the holy land, whose main job will be to combat "online radicalization" which is such a problem in the region."

This one is so bizarre, you cant even make a joke out of it. Saudi Arabia was a major terror founder in the region as well. (Part of warfare.) Also thanks Jared, for thinking about the online. And calling 'online censorship' an important part of work at Saudi funded Counter Terrorism Centers.

Fudge....)

edit:
Evidence of Financial Links Between Saudi Royal Family and Al Qaeda
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...links-between-saudi-royal-family-and-al-qaeda

They must think americans are stupid, or something...

Xzi · Aug 18, 2020

Hanafuda said:
Never said I tuned out. I just stopped watching the idiot box.

It's all just been variations on the same shit since then anyway; Southern Strategy, "greed is good," etc and so forth. Trump is conservative narcissism and close-mindedness personified, so you definitely haven't missed anything of importance in the years in-between. Only difference is that the dog whistle has been replaced by a bull horn.

Deleted User · Aug 19, 2020

notimp said:
Also lets watch the new 'historic' propaganda video for a bit:

edit: Btw. saying that this one was built out of a US presidents great leadership and bonding skills is like saying that state promises are promises born out of of honor, fulfilled by duty... Entirely BS.

UAE needed to basically shift business models, US said - great, how about you talk it over with Israel, and then we help you two rule the region for the forseeable future?

All the leadership and skill needed to broker that. So much WOW!

edit2: (First great achievement mentioned by Jared in the new video diddy?
"We talked with Saudi Arabia to found and build two Counter Terrorism Centers in the holy land, whose main job will be to combat "online radicalization" which is such a problem in the region."

This one is so bizarre, you cant even make a joke out of it. Saudi Arabia was a major terror founder in the region as well. (Part of warfare.) Also thanks Jared, for thinking about the online. And calling 'online censorship' an important part of work at Saudi funded Counter Terrorism Centers.

Fudge....)

edit:
Evidence of Financial Links Between Saudi Royal Family and Al Qaeda
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...links-between-saudi-royal-family-and-al-qaeda

They must think americans are stupid, or something...

unfortunately a half a quarter of the country genuinely is. (back on topic) Think the discussion is over, mail in voting is needed.

UltraSUPRA · Aug 20, 2020

If you can gather around and protest in public against in-person voting, you can vote in person.

Xzi · Aug 20, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
If you can gather around and protest in public against in-person voting, you can vote in person.

God forbid you ever stop to think for a moment that maybe these people aren't protesting solely on their own behalf, but also on behalf of friends and/or family members who are immuno-compromised or have other pre-existing conditions.

Captain_N · Aug 20, 2020

Hanafuda said:
https://freebeacon.com/2020-electio...k-mail-in-primary-ballots-to-wrong-addresses/

I know to people that got 3 ballots......The post office like every other government agency sucks. Thats why we have ups and fedex. If the USPS was so epic then those two companies could not exist.

Mythical · Aug 20, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
If you can gather around and protest in public against in-person voting, you can vote in person.

thanks for assuming those overlap, and that those are the majority of people. For half a second I thought you realized you should read up

Xzi · Aug 20, 2020

Captain_N said:
Thats why we have ups and fedex. If the USPS was so epic then those two companies could not exist.

Yes, that's why those two companies, which deliver only packages and not actual mail, to only certain profitable locations within the US, and at a higher price, exist. :rolleyes:

UltraSUPRA · Aug 20, 2020

Xzi said:
God forbid you ever stop to think for a moment that maybe these people aren't protesting solely on their own behalf, but also on behalf of friends and/or family members who are immuno-compromised or have other pre-existing conditions.

God forbid you ever stop to think for a moment that maybe people like me aren't embracing tradition solely on our own behalf, but also on behalf on those who would be affected by people who aren't serious/can't choose muddying up the election. If you don't care about this country, or you believe that the outcome will be bad no matter what, don't bother. A "lesser of two evils" approach is still voting for an "evil".

Xzi · Aug 20, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
God forbid you ever stop to think for a moment that maybe people like me aren't embracing tradition solely on our own behalf

You mean kids who get radicalized by Ben Shapiro memes and Dennis Prager's Youtube videos? I'd hardly call that "embracing tradition." On the flip side, the USPS is almost as old as this country itself, and has always been relied upon to deliver messages of the greatest importance, by both our leaders and our citizens. About as traditional as you can possibly get.

UltraSUPRA said:
people who aren't serious/can't choose

Give me a break. You're not worried about people on the fence voting, you're worried about people who have made their choice (but made the "wrong" choice in your view) voting. If they've taken the time to register to vote and fill out the necessary forms to receive a mail-in/absentee ballot, they're more than serious enough.

Coto · Aug 20, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
A "lesser of two evils" approach is still voting for an "evil".

This is what the far left in Chile (disguised as right, independent in some parties) have exploited to death, and Chile is being sold to Human Rights Watch / Sao Paulo Forum / radical left terrorist organizations. We are going to protect our country by the same beliefs carried by your words.

The mail in ballot fraudulent course is the one our government offers to us chilean citizens currently, being biased horrendously towards a new constitution. Since the new chilean constitution is being written by radical left.

Biased chilean news will say there is nothing wrong in our country, so you can guess where USA is heading to, and Trump is making the RIGHT assertions.

Xzi · Aug 20, 2020

Coto said:
This is what the far left in Chile (disguised as right, independent in some parties)

Lol what? So you have three different parties, but they're all just the "far left" in disguise? Maybe they are exactly who they say they are, and they're all simply corrupt. Seems a much more likely scenario.

Coto said:
Since the new chilean constitution is being written by radical left.

Ooh, does that mean you're getting nationalized healthcare? Employment and housing as a human right? A living wage as the minimum? Partial ownership of businesses/corporations by their workers?

If so, I know where I plan to move next after all this COVID shenanigans is settled. If not, I don't think you have any idea what the political left actually represents.

UltraSUPRA · Aug 20, 2020

Xzi said:
You mean kids who get radicalized by Ben Shapiro memes and Dennis Prager's Youtube videos? I'd hardly call that "embracing tradition."

Radicalized? How are the traditional American values that have held our country together for centuries radical?

Xzi said:
Give me a break. You're not worried about people on the fence voting, you're worried about people who have made their choice (but made the "wrong" choice in your view) voting. If they've taken the time to register to vote and fill out the necessary forms to receive a mail-in/absentee ballot, they're more than serious enough.

So if you can take a minute out of your day to write down information about yourself, you're every bit as serious as someone waiting, possibly for hours, in the harsh winter of November, to decide the fate of our country.
Makes perfect sense.

Xzi · Aug 20, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
Radicalized? How are the traditional American values that have held our country together for centuries radical?

If we're talking about centuries, then these "values" were the same ones that the Confederacy shared, and they split the country apart rather than held it together. In a more modern sense, Trump has never made any attempt to extend an olive branch to the Democratic party, let alone anybody left of them.

UltraSUPRA said:
So if you can take a minute out of your day to write down information about yourself, you're every bit as serious as someone waiting, possibly for hours, in the harsh winter of November, to decide the fate of our country. Makes perfect sense.

Polling places in rural areas don't get overcrowded like that. They wait in line thirty minutes at most. Nobody should have to wait longer than that, though I'm sure it does make you happy to see voters who disagree with you suffer in that manner.

UltraSUPRA · Aug 20, 2020

Xzi said:
Ooh, does that mean you're getting nationalized healthcare?

Taxes?

Xzi said:
Employment and housing as a human right?

Taxes?

Xzi said:
A living wage as the minimum?

No small businesses?

Xzi said:
Partial ownership of businesses/corporations by their workers?

No small businesses?

Xzi said:
If we're talking about centuries, then these "values" were the same ones that the Confederacy shared, and they split the country apart rather than held it together.

Ah, yes, the time when the liberals believed that black lives didn't matter.

Xzi said:
Polling places in rural areas don't get overcrowded like that. They wait in line thirty minutes at most. Nobody should have to wait longer than that, though I'm sure it does make you happy to see voters who disagree with you suffer in that manner.

Why not drive to one of those?

(US-Election) So howsabout voting by mail?

Should US residents be allowed to vote by mail?

Absolutely: with the pandemic, it's more important than ever to vote from home

Yes. The system's being used since forever, so I trust it'll be fine

Neutral. I will/won't cast my vote regardless of what's being said or done

No. I don't really trust the process (anymore)

Absolutely not. It's a mass fraudulent system

I'm not a US citizen, so my opinion is irrelevant (though probably in the comments below :P )

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