Gaming Nintendo Confirms Wii U Has Flopped, Slashes Sales Forecast By ~70%

blaisedinsd · May 9, 2014

T Link7 said:
May I ask if you always intended on buying other platforms after you purchased your Wii/Wii U?

I figure thats where all the non-nintendo games will be in the future but right now I think PS3 and 360 are far more appealing to me and I still have a ton of gaming to get out of those systems. Right now Xbone and PS4 don't have anything I am interested in and Wii U has plenty.

Thinking back on it I sort of stopped caring about PS2 when online gaming became the big thing and everyone was playing SOCOM. Never took my PS2 online. MGS3 was the last game I remember getting on it and even though I had beat and enjoyed to first two MGS games I could not get in to the third game and I just didn't have much time for gaming anymore. The Wii came out right when my oldest kids were first old enough to start playing games and we had a blase with the thing.

I used to love Nintendo Power and then I was a regular reader of PSM. So I guess I sort of checked out of gaming in general in the early 2000's when I was working full time and going to school full time and having kids until my kids were old enough to play. I don't like FPS and I don't like to play online very much and the Wii was an excellent gaming system for me for years and now I am enjoying the Wii U because the end of the Wii cycle was pretty bare.

fischermasamune · May 9, 2014

osirisjem said:
Interesting.
I think you are on to something.

However,
According to Iwata .. the Wii U was supposed to woo hard core gamers. When it was released ... that was the plan.
Just more proof Nintendo has their head up their ass.

As time rolls on ... it looks more and more like the Wii U is Nintendo's last home console.

I'm sure they'll make a successor to the 3DS. But even that device isnt a slam dunk success.

At the end of the day, Nintendo has great gaming franchises. And they should leverage that by making Mario for the PS4, and XBONE.

Why the hate? You're full of hate.

If you don't like the console, just don't buy it. I personally don't like wrestling, for example, but I don't visit any wrestling forums to bash on it.

osirisjem · May 9, 2014

fischermasamune said:
Why the hate? You're full of hate.

Not so much.

If you don't like the console, just don't buy it. I personally don't like wrestling, for example, but I don't visit any wrestling forums to bash on it.

I'm just as much of a Nintendo fan as you are. I only own Nintendo consoles.
I'm just upset Nintendo has screwed up as much as it has.
You probably just want to pretend all things are fine.
Good luck with that.

I dont want a xB1/PS4. I want a worthwhile successor to the Wii.
Apparently Nintendo can't provide that.

If you don't like the thread~~console~~, just don't ~~buy~~read it.

Should I PM you to see if what I want to talk about is OK with you ?

28 Likes ?
Seems like alot.
Not sure I've seen a Xenforo thread with 28 likes.

Black-Ice · May 9, 2014

This thread is still going on?
Its more successful than the Wii U itself.

calmwaters · May 10, 2014

Black-Ice said:
This thread is still going on?
It's more successful than the Wii U itself.

I wonder what the thread where Nintendo announces that the Wii U was successful will look like. Wait... never mind.

osirisjem · May 10, 2014

nintendo.lost.half.billion.dollars.in.a.year.jpg

Nintendo lost 1/2 billion dollars in 1 year.
[source]

ShadowOne333 · May 10, 2014

Nintendo franchises in Sony/Microsoft platforms?
Are you guys on crack or something?

JK, I better not speak too soon, since the same thing happened to Sega in the 2000's, no one expected to see Sonic in a Nintendo game.
And now look at them... They're in every Olympic game!

T Link7 · May 10, 2014

osirisjem said:
Nintendo lost 1/2 billion dollars in 1 year.
[source]

I am pretty sure most of us were already aware of Nintendo's unfortunate situation?

Foxi4 · May 10, 2014

ShadowOne333 said:
Nintendo franchises in Sony/Microsoft platforms?
Are you guys on crack or something?

I wouldn't necessarily want that, but if they made such a decision, it would possibly mean more profit for Nintendo. All it takes is sitting down and thinking about this for a few minutes.

Nintendo consistently makes massive losses every single time they launch a console, they've been unable to keep up with the launch demand for software and hardware with every single one of their systems starting with the Gamecube. If they focused on making games, the problem of harwdare launches and all R&D, distribution and marketing costs connected to that are nullified.

Take a good look at what every single Nintendo fan posts online - "I don't buy Nintendo systems for the hardware, I buy them for the games". Well, Nintendo loses money every single system sold for the first two years. People would still buy the games, in fact, if they went multiplatform, I'd argue that more people would buy them due to the fact that they would be available on a variety of platforms. I'd argue that a lot of people are not buying Nintendo games purely because they don't want to buy Nintendo hardware. Think of all the PlayStation, PC and Xbox owners who would play Mario games (because everybody plays Mario games) if given the chance? Some of Nintendo's franchises are not just well-known, they're cultural phenomenons and they're held down by the hardware they require.

That's not to say that I think Nintendo should go third-party, I simply think that it wouldn't be the end of the world and in fact I believe it would be a more cost-effective way of getting their games out into the wild. Designing, manufacturing and distributing hardware is currently the most expensive part of the whole process and hardware profits come into play two years after launch at the earliest - at that point the company already lost lots of money that could've been used for making better games but has to be used as an IV drip to keep the company afloat.

osirisjem · May 10, 2014

T Link7 said:
I am pretty sure most of us were already aware of Nintendo's unfortunate situation?

But to the tune of ....

calmwaters · May 10, 2014

osirisjem said:
But to the tune of ....
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I was horrified when I saw that. This is likely an indirect result of Nintendo's graphics engine. Games they got: but their machine just doesn't have the power of the Xbone or PS4. And if I remember correctly, this article mentioned that another cause was the lowering of the price to $250 USD. They were hoping it would sell more copies since a hell of a lot more people can spend $250 than $300.

osirisjem · May 11, 2014

calmwaters said:
They were hoping it would sell more copies since a hell of a lot more people can spend $250 than $300.

Is anyone that price sensitive ?
That doesnt make sense to me.

I think the same person who would like to pay $250 instead for $300 ... would be able to pay $500 if they really wanted something and it had a great reputation.

The problem is the Wii U is an expensive HD Wii with a gamepad controller no one wants.

VMM · May 12, 2014

The problem with Nintendo is that it makes excellent games, but poor hardware.
They always make a mistake that fucks up the whole console.
N64: Catridges while everybody was using CDs
Gamecube: MiniDVD while everybody was using DVDs
Wii: Vastly underpowered
WiiU, same as Wii

Yhe best thing Nintendo could do is become a software developer only,
they wouldn't have to worry about R&D, distribution and marketing costs and would have just profit with sofware releases.
I think it would be much more finnancially worthwhile.

blaisedinsd · May 12, 2014

VMM said:
The problem with Nintendo is that it makes excellent games, but poor hardware.
They always make a mistake that fucks up the whole console.
N64: Catridges while everybody was using CDs
Gamecube: MiniDVD while everybody was using DVDs
Wii: Vastly underpowered
WiiU, same as Wii

Yhe best thing Nintendo could do is become a software developer only,
they wouldn't have to worry about R&D, distribution and marketing costs and would have just profit with sofware releases.
I think it would be much more finnancially worthwhile.

I disagree that the Wii U is vastly underpowered based on what I have seen so far. The wii was underpowered by a bunch, I agree with that. The Wii U in the current landscape is not. It may well be when more games come out for PS4 and Xbone but as of now it is on par with those who don't look much better than PS3/360 based on what I have seen. The Wii U cross platform titles look on par with everything else at this time to all who are not graphics geeks. I can't tell the difference in Assasins creed games based on which platform I am looking at simply based on graphics. I don't think tombraider definitive edition is too much better graphically than the version I played on PS3 and 360, definitely not enough to warrant a purchase. In addition the style of many of Wii U's biggest games is brighter and better looking and I doubt would benefit much from the processing power of a PS4 or XBONE.

I also don't think the Gamecubes mini DVD format was that poor of a hardware choice....so some FMV or surround sound may have been a bit less because of it, big deal, the console itself was basically on par with the xbox and ahead of PS2. I don't think the original xbox played DVD's out of the box either did it?

Foxi4 · May 12, 2014

blaisedinsd said:
I disagree that the Wii U is vastly underpowered based on what I have seen so far.

It is vastly underpowered, it's a generation behind and "adequate" at best, nothing to write home about. Just comparing the numbers of off-the-shelf component equivalents of the PS4/XBO alone reveals that, and god knows how much better they perform in a customized setup with a simplified API. Just because the first batch of games is practically designed to be multiplatform with the vastly inferior 360 and PS3 doesn't mean that games won't kick off into the next gen pretty soon.

blaisedinsd said:
I also don't think the Gamecubes mini DVD format was that poor of a hardware choice....so some FMV or surround sound may have been a bit less because of it, big deal, the console itself was basically on par with the xbox and ahead of PS2. I don't think the original xbox played DVD's out of the box either did it?

It lead the system straight to an early grave. Nintendo tried to be different for no reason and ended up with less disc capacity than everybody else and no DVD-Video support. They haven't learned their lesson since, it seems. Microsoft was a newcomer to the business and it still beat the Gamecube in terms of popularity. An upstarter beating a veteran of the industry is a rare occurrence.

blaisedinsd · May 12, 2014

Foxi4 said:
It is vastly underpowered, it's at least a generation behind, just comparing the numbers of off-the-shelf components alone reveals that, and god knows how much better they perform in a customized setup. Just because the first batch of games is practically designed to be multiplatform with the vastly inferior 360 and PS3 doesn't mean that games won't kick off into the next gen pretty soon.

I don't think, based on what I have seen, that new generation is vastly superior to the previous gen.

Again looking at Tombraider, I can look at the PS3 and the PS4 version and I would choose the the cheaper PS3 version (as opposed to getting a new console and new controllers and all that) 99 times out of 100.

The new generations graphics have failed to impress and are the smallest leap forward of any console gen in history IMO. This inspite of the previous gen having the longest cycle in console history. I personally don't get what is driving all these people to rush out and buy PS4 and Xbone when they don't look much better, have no BC, have smaller online gaming bases, and have no games.

I just looked up a list of best games on PS4 to date and it was really sad. Rayman Legends is one of the best games (better on Wii U according to many) and Battlefield 4 is the best game which is another game that to me barely looks better than all the 360 and PS3 shoooters. Most of the rest of the list are not even games that graphics matter one bit to. I think it's mostly penned up demand of the hardcore gaming graphic whore uber realistic crowd to have something only marginally better. This is a group of people who have large disposable incomes and simply prefer console gaming to PC gaming who are buying the new gen because it's new more than because of the compelling case to upgrade. I am unsure if that group can sustain the console gen moving forward....I predict a big lull in PS4 and Xbone sales until they actually get some games once that core crowd of early adopters has been filled.

There is no compelling case to upgrade to PS4 or XBONE in my view at this time.

You are criticizing the Wii U's power at this time based on vapor software.

Foxi4 · May 12, 2014

Tomb Raider Definitive Edition is not a game that was made specifically for the PS4 or the XBox One, it's a game that was made for last generation systems and got a face lift later on. I'm afraid that numbers don't lie - the GPU's in the next gen systems have aprox. 5 times the processing power of those found in the Xbox 360 and the PS3 and their CPU's are aprox. 6 times as beefy, and on top of that you have 16 times the memory which is unified and with shared memory controllers directly on the APU die. You can argue otherwise, but facts are that the PS4 and the Xbox One are several times more powerful than their predecessors and games that will be made specifically for those systems and not up-ported to them will reflect that. Mind you, I'm going purely on memory here, the actual numbers might be even higher than that, but I'm going by the modest calculation.

blaisedinsd · May 12, 2014

Foxi4 said:
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition is not a game that was made specifically for the PS4 or the XBox One, it's a game that was made for last generation systems and got a face lift later on. I'm afraid that numbers don't lie - the GPU's in the next gen systems have aprox. 5 times the processing power of those found in the Xbox 360 and the PS3 and their CPU's are aprox. 6 times as beefy, and on top of that you have 16 times the memory which is unified and with shared memory controllers directly on the APU die. You can argue otherwise, but facts are that the PS4 and the Xbox One are several times more powerful than their predecessors and games that will be made specifically for those systems and not up-ported to them will reflect that. Mind you, I'm going purely on memory here, the actual numbers might be even higher than that, but I'm going by the modest calculation.

If the graphics improvement have numbers behind them that doesn't make them look better to a human being in any significant way than there is no point.

If a human can not tell the difference between 1080p and 4k than 4k is a joke. It's like the emporerors new clothes and I ain't paying for that.

The reality is there are no PS4 games that make PS3 games look like ass. Wii games looked like Ass compared to PS3. Do you recall a console gen that didn't have launch games that made the previous gen look like ass? PS3 to PS4 and 360 to XBONE are the first ones I can recall and I been gaming since the 2600. Wii U looks incredible compared to Wii, that's why I upgraded. PS4 looks practically the same as PS3 at this point so I see no reason to upgrade.

Foxi4 · May 12, 2014

blaisedinsd said:
If the graphics improvement have numbers behind them that doesn't make them look better to a human being in any significant way than there is no point.

If a human can not tell the difference between 1080p and 4k than 4k is a joke. It's like the emporerors new clothes and I ain't paying for that.

Except the human eye can see the differences between last and current gen graphics, you just refuse to acknowledge them. The geometry is richer, physical effects like reflections or particles are more believable, the maps can be far larger and there can be more instances of more advanced A.I on-screen - those are all improvements.

I refer you to these posts:
http://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo...es-forecast-by-70.360729/page-31#post-4934066
http://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo...es-forecast-by-70.360729/page-31#post-4934022

Oh, and by the way, most last generation games weren't running in native 1080p, they were internally rendered to 720p and upscaled. Just sayin'.

blaisedinsd · May 12, 2014

Foxi4 said:
Except the human eye can see the differences between last and current gen graphics, you just refuse to acknowledge them. The geometry is richer, physical effects like reflections or particles are more believable, the maps can be far larger and there can be more instances of more advanced A.I on-screen - those are all improvements.

I refer you to this post: http://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo...es-forecast-by-70.360729/page-31#post-4934066

Oh, and by the way, most last generation games weren't running in native 1080p, they were internally rendered to 720p and upscaled. Just sayin'.

I don't refuse to acknowledge them, I just don't think they make a huge difference.

Do you deny that increased processing power is giving us diminshing returns as far as improved visuals or not?

Do really think the difference between PS4 and PS3 as perceived by an actual human being is as drastic as the difference between Atari 2600 and NES? Between NES and SNES? Between SNES and Playstation? Between Playstation 2 and Playstation 3?

I am just saying the numbers don't mean squat if the human being does not perceive it. PS4 may be 10 times more powerful or whatever, but if it only looks marginally better and costs tons more it won't matter except to those large disposable income early adopter type of people.

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