Hacking Wii-U's Wii mode already hacked

RodrigoDavy · Nov 19, 2012

Pong20302000 said:
but you still have no bonus than doing the same on a Wii

One could use the same argument to say the whole Wii U backward compatibility is useless. Yet, not everyone have a Wii so it is a big deal. And even people who do have a Wii could sell it since Wii U can do the same thing. (Although there are no GC controller ports on Wii U)

trance · Nov 19, 2012

FireGrey said:
In the Wii menu it said Wii U menu.
If we get a wad of that will we be able to play wii u on wii?

It was mentioned in another thread that IOS62 has a WiiU Menu button, so it probably uses triggers on the WiiMode side (in the workings of IOS62) that only the WiiU container will make happen.

McHaggis · Nov 19, 2012

I wonder if that guy talks like that in everyday conversation. If so, I bet people find it really hard not to punch him in the face.

arogance1 · Nov 19, 2012

Personally, I'm hoping that the Wii Mode will let me use my USB drives and SD cards as I use my Wii to watch movies and downloaded TV shows.
I'm planning to upgrade from Wii to WiiU as soon as it works, as theres no point keeping the Wii as a media player only when I could have a WiiU as a media player and have access to the new games.
and I know they'll crack WiiU mode eventually

Taleweaver · Nov 19, 2012

I think I've become an elitist wii hacker during my time here. There were moments where I pretty much cringed.

-"stack smash"
-"if you've been paying attention to the wii scene since like...a year and a half" (unless he was talking about the European version of the hack, it was quite a bit longer. About 3 years, actually. And it wasn't the first hack either)
-"stack smash" (YES, HE SAID THAT TWICE!)
-"this is actually my first time I'm doing this"
-the way where he had no clue what was on his own SD card
-"the original wiiexplorer dol, before I converted it to boot.elf" (converted obviously sounds much more advanced than "I renamed it")
-"FTP aye aye? Is that FTPII?"

But still...all in all, it's interesting to say the least. Wiixplorer uses IOS58, ~~so all homebrew that uses it should work. The funny thing is that this includes devolution, so if it wasn't for its disc and controller requirements, you could already be playing gamecube games.~~

EDIT: crossed out some wrong assumptions (see SifJar's post below)

redact · Nov 19, 2012

Wever said:
-"stack smash"
[...]
-"stack smash" (YES, HE SAID THAT TWICE!)

to be fair to the bloke, he's not wrong in referring to it as that...

Wiibrew said:
Smash Stack works by exploiting the way Super Smash Bros. Brawl loads stages. It is different from the Twilight Hack and Indiana Pwns exploits in the way it is loaded. Twilight Hack and Indiana Pwns exploit the save files of their respective games to execute a stack smash and load custom code.

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Smash_Stack#How_it_works

jonthedit · Nov 19, 2012

So... What does the "Wii menu" version say? Just curious...

devmas · Nov 19, 2012

Pong20302000 said:
i see no idea why this matters

it is the same as the 3DS and DS games

I read that:
- the Wii U upscales Wii mode to 1080p (or whatever resolution your TV is). If you have an HDTV, this may be the preferable way to play Wii games (and Gamecube games if Devolution works out and the anti-piracy is removed).
- the Wii has a notoriously poor quality video output, worse than the Gamecube. Wii U seems to fix that.

Basically, better image quality than the Wii. People on other forums (like NeoGAF) have pointed out that Wii games look noticeably better on Wii U.

Pong20302000 · Nov 19, 2012

devmas said:
I read that:
- the Wii U upscales Wii mode to 1080p (or whatever resolution your TV is). If you have an HDTV, this may be the preferable way to play Wii games (and Gamecube games if Devolution works out and the anti-piracy is removed).
- the Wii has a notoriously poor quality video output, worse than the Gamecube. Wii U seems to fix that.

Basically, better image quality than the Wii. People on other forums (like NeoGAF) have pointed out that Wii games look noticeably better on Wii U.

how you planning to play gamecube with no gamecube controller ports?
my Wii plugs into HDMI with the cable and tv upscales it to 1080
so whats the bonus from doing it on a WiiU where it will more than likely get blocked?

jalaneme · Nov 19, 2012

haha good, i guess this is karma for fking the system right up for everyone, and i can't wait to play wii games in 1080p

at least i have confirmation that it upscales wii games

lets hope we can get rid of the hard drive restrictions and other drm on the console.

Taleweaver · Nov 19, 2012

Pong20302000 said:
how you planning to play gamecube with no gamecube controller ports?
my Wii plugs into HDMI with the cable and tv upscales it to 1080
so whats the bonus from doing it on a WiiU where it will more than likely get blocked?

I can answer for that first one: Tueidj is planning (or even directly working on) to allow for classic controller input rather than gamecube controllers. And since the classic controller is supported by the wiiU, and memory card emulation is already running fine, all it needs is a way to verify that you have the retail disk.
...and he stated explicitly that he is not going to do that.

As to the second...are you saying that the wii can be connected to the television with that same cable that ships with the wiiu?

crono141 · Nov 19, 2012

We need a WiiU hacking forum now. I think it'll only be a matter of time before we manage to break out of the WiiMode sandbox. At the very least a place to post and discuss how to get all the old homebrew and backup loaders working on wiiu. If we can do that, I can really sell off the Wii.

Hielkenator · Nov 19, 2012

jalaneme said:
haha good, i guess this is karma for fking the system right up for everyone, and i can't wait to play wii games in 1080p at least i have confirmation that it upscales wii games lets hope we can get rid of the hard drive restrictions and other drm on the console.

Sigh....upscaling is something different than having a higher resolution.
480p source of the wii mode scaled to 1080p is still 720x480 scaled( streched) to fill a 1920x1080 diplay.
opposed to a resolution of 1920x1080p wich the WiiU is capable of.

The only benifit is that the WiiU console scales the image, instead of your tv/scaler.
This would be benificial for people with cheap tv that have doubtfull scaling ability's.
Probably releaving the tv of post processing, maybe resulting is a lower input lag.
1080p is the native resolution, 1:1 pixels. Scaling to 1080p from a different source than 1080p is is streching the image to get the screen filled.

mysticwaterfall · Nov 19, 2012

It is great news, and I'm sure the HBC will be fixed soon as well. But I wouldn't get your hopes up for breaking out of the Wii sandbox anytime soon. We've had DS mode on the 3ds for almost 2 years now.

SifJar · Nov 19, 2012

Wever said:
But still...all in all, it's interesting to say the least. Wiixplorer uses IOS58, so all homebrew that uses it should work. The funny thing is that this includes devolution, so if it wasn't for its disc and controller requirements, you could already be playing gamecube games.

Nonsense. Using IOS58 =/= access to HW_AHBPROT. Those are two completely separate things that happened to come into play around the same time. IOS58 gives USB 2.0 access. HW_AHBPROT gives the full hardware access required for doing stuff like patching IOS on the fly or all of Devolution's background magic.

Nothing will have HW_AHBPROT from being loaded via an exploit. Channels can get HW_AHBPROT by a flag in their TMD (how the HBC gets it), and then pass it on to stuff that get's loaded by them (why apps such as Devolution require to be loaded via HBC, not directly via an exploit). The other option is to use an IOS exploit. As I understand it, if you can find some way to overwrite certain bytes in memory (normally protected, hence the need for IOS exploit), and afterwards reload IOS, you'll get HW_AHBPROT, and from there you can do whatever (I believe HackMii Installer does this; it uses an IOS exploit to get HW_AHBPROT, then uses HW_AHBPROT to patch the running IOS to accept fake signatures, then installs what it wants).

PolloDiablo · Nov 19, 2012

Hielkenator said:
Sigh....upscaling is something different than having a higher resolution.
480p is still 720x480 scaled( streched) to fill a 1920x1080 diplay.
opposed to a resolution of 1920x1080p wich the WiiU is capable of.

it really sucks that the Wii U streches the Wii Mode image to 1920x1080 before sending it to the TV
my TV upscaler is really good and now I wont be abble to take advantage of that

I have a Wii2HDMI that just outputs 480p and everything looks great
I guess I will have to use the Wii2HDMI with the Wii U and have two separate cables (one for Wii and one for Wii U)

crono141 · Nov 19, 2012

Has anyone tried using Smashstack to run the hackmii installer?

I also wonder if the wii transfer process could be exploited to get the cIOS from the original wii installed in wii mode. I never bothered to investigate what data was written to the SD card during that process (nor do I have the ability, other than basic windows exploring). The process says it needs a card with 512 mb free, which I believe is the same size as the Wii NAND. Perhaps after the SD card has been "prepared" by the wii, we could inject our own NAND backup into it that would then turn WiiMode into a cIOS WiiMode.

Probably not, as WiiU probably checks for integrity of such things, but it might be worth a try.

some1ne · Nov 19, 2012

HOLY SHIT, ALREADY HACKED?

jalaneme · Nov 19, 2012

Hielkenator said:
Sigh....upscaling is something different than having a higher resolution.
480p source of the wii mode scaled to 1080p is still 720x480 scaled( streched) to fill a 1920x1080 diplay.
opposed to a resolution of 1920x1080p wich the WiiU is capable of.

The only benifit is that the WiiU console scales the image, instead of your tv/scaler.
This would be benificial for people with cheap tv that have doubtfull scaling ability's.
Probably releaving the tv of post processing, maybe resulting is a lower input lag.
1080p is the native resolution, 1:1 pixels. Scaling to 1080p from a different source than 1080p is is streching the image to get the screen filled.

who cares, it's slightly better than the wii as its from hdmi out so the picture will still be better on the wii u.

Fear Zoa · Nov 19, 2012

That took about as long as i though it would, but wii mode was never going to be that hard part or anything monumental anyway. The real progress comes when we get wii U mode (also I suspect Nintendo will patch exploits harder then ever)

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