PS3 keys finally released

Joe88 · Jan 3, 2011

ron975 said:
but who places both the PSP keys and the PS3 keys on one system.

the PSP and PS3 communicate with each other
you can buy stuff on the PS3 PSN store and transfer it over the PSP
games on the PSP can be connected to the PS3 to transfer over stuff (ex. assassins creed)
the psp came before the ps3 so its most likely uses a different key, the ps3 needs to be able to check this key for validation and thats why its stored on it

Zerox8610 · Jan 3, 2011

Sony said a while back that the next console (PS4) would be based on PS3s current technology, welllllll..... it looks like it's time to put that in motion. PS3 had a good run lol 2012 console anyone? XD

Heran Bago · Jan 3, 2011

I am trying to follow the news on psx-scene but the posts are just so hard to read!

e: it is the only way to follow the news super closely without being an irc junkie so I have little choice!

DigitalDeviant · Jan 3, 2011

So now that people will have the ability to put their own apps and loaders onto the console and the system will see them as "legit" does this create a window of opportunity for the possibility of making the ps3 blu-ray region free or is access to the drive and its configuration still a long way off?

Deleted User · Jan 3, 2011

I thought Geohot stopped hacking after the iPhone. But George keep going don't give up.

Well got to share this with my friends who have PS3s.

Canonbeat234 · Jan 3, 2011

I don't want to sound like a noob, why is this so awesome to begin with? What does it do as far as key goes?

DigitalDeviant · Jan 3, 2011

Canonbeat234 said:
I don't want to sound like a noob, why is this so awesome to begin with? What does it do as far as key goes?

access to private key=being able to sign your own code meaning ps3 of fully open to any type of app(made for the ps3), if you can write it and sign it, it will read it.

this means homebrew with out the need of a jailbreak device, possibly backup loaders and a whole slew of apps.

RupeeClock · Jan 3, 2011

Canonbeat234 said:
I don't want to sound like a noob, why is this so awesome to begin with? What does it do as far as key goes?

Basically whenever Sony or a trusted third party publish some software, on Disc, firmware, PSN download or otherwise, they sign it using the private key.
Software signed with this key is authentic, genuine Sony software.

Now, anybody can sign their own unlicensed software using the key, and the PS3 or PSP will recognise it as authentic software.
The key is hard coded into all the PS3 systems and cannot be changed, either because they are a part of the hardware that cannot be rewritten, or because changing the private key would render all existing legal software, invalid.

Basically, the PS3 and PSP have no security, they can write anything as they please, just like the Dreamcast.

Canonbeat234 · Jan 3, 2011

So wait, that means I can play PS1/PS2 on DVD like the Dreamcast?

RupeeClock · Jan 3, 2011

Canonbeat234 said:
So wait, that means I can play PS1/PS2 on DVD like the Dreamcast?

To be honest, I'm not sure.
I don't know if it'll be possible to burn ps1/2/3 images to a disc, signed with the key, and then play that burnt copy.
But there will likely be some sort of work around for playing game images on the system, maybe a signed backup loader or something.

Canonbeat234 · Jan 3, 2011

RupeeClock said:
Canonbeat234 said:

So wait, that means I can play PS1/PS2 on DVD like the Dreamcast?

Click to expand...

To be honest, I'm not sure.
I don't know if it'll be possible to burn ps1/2/3 images to a disc, signed with the key, and then play that burnt copy.
But there will likely be some sort of work around for playing game images on the system, maybe a signed backup loader or something.

I wonder what will Sony reaction be like if they find out about this...It's like bankruptcy, although what cause this wrath or judgment to fall so heavily on Sony like this?

DigitalDeviant · Jan 3, 2011

Canonbeat234 said:
RupeeClock said:

Canonbeat234 said:

So wait, that means I can play PS1/PS2 on DVD like the Dreamcast?

Click to expand...

To be honest, I'm not sure.
I don't know if it'll be possible to burn ps1/2/3 images to a disc, signed with the key, and then play that burnt copy.
But there will likely be some sort of work around for playing game images on the system, maybe a signed backup loader or something.

Click to expand...

I wonder what will Sony reaction be like if they find out about this...It's like bankruptcy, although what cause this wrath or judgment to fall so heavily on Sony like this?

I don't think it's like "bankruptcy" since sony's a multi-billion dollar company. Perhaps the 3rd party will be angry at sony for such a failure when it comes to security measures (yes it took 4 years for the private keys to get leaked but that's because hackers had otheros and didn't cart to hack it)

moral of story don't remove a feature that you advertised would be there, sony removed otheros and unleashed the wrath of the hackers who as team over flow said "you've removed otheros, we are so gonna hack you", lol.

Canonbeat234 · Jan 3, 2011

DigitalDeviant said:
Canonbeat234 said:

RupeeClock said:

Canonbeat234 said:

So wait, that means I can play PS1/PS2 on DVD like the Dreamcast?

Click to expand...

To be honest, I'm not sure.
I don't know if it'll be possible to burn ps1/2/3 images to a disc, signed with the key, and then play that burnt copy.
But there will likely be some sort of work around for playing game images on the system, maybe a signed backup loader or something.

Click to expand...

I wonder what will Sony reaction be like if they find out about this...It's like bankruptcy, although what cause this wrath or judgment to fall so heavily on Sony like this?

Click to expand...

I don't think it's like "bankruptcy" since sony's a multi-billion dollar company. Perhaps the 3rd party will be angry at sony for such a failure when it comes to security measures (yes it took 4 years for the private keys to get leaked but that's because hackers had otheros and didn't cart to hack it)

moral of story don't remove a feature that you advertised would be there, sony removed otheros and unleashed the wrath of the hackers who as team over flow said "you've removed otheros, we are so gonna hack you", lol.

Wow, its like 4chan all over again. Sony is going to spaz real hard, that machine isn't cheap you know!

idulkoan · Jan 3, 2011

Sony is screwed... Hopefully they don't release the PS4 anytime soon just so that they don't have to make ps3 games anymore, and then we have to hack the PS4 for future games.

Link00y · Jan 3, 2011

To answer the question if Sony could change the keys:

Yes, they can but it is not trivial. If we check out the DSi you'll notice the DSi is compatible with all DS games, however incompatible with old flash cards (new ones use exploits which I do not want to go into).

What happened?
-Nintendo added an RSA signature to new DS game headers.. thus every new DS game has a signed header so that the DSi accepts it.
-for old games: the DSi carries a huge list of checksums to verify every single DS game you insert

As flash cards neither carry a known header or a signature, the DSi refuses to run them.

What Sony could do:
-add a second public key to the PS3 for the time being
-use the corresponding private key in their headquarters for new games ensuring however that this time they use a proper random number so that the private key cannot be cracked
-also create a list of header checksums of all officially released games.. as Sony has access to the headers this is possible
-once all games are produced with the new private key and all old games are on that list: the original public key can be deleted

So it'd be a multi-step progress to slowly remove the old key from the console, however it is certainly no trivial progress if they want to ensure compatibility with old games! I'd say this is taking week but it is fixable.

Nintendo had an easier one: Nintendo always created proper signatures, just their signature verification failed - however, they could simply fix that as no commercial game was affected.

Bladexdsl · Jan 3, 2011

Link00y said:
What Sony could do:
-snip-

don't give them ideas!

ThePowerOutage · Jan 3, 2011

3.41, 3.50 and 3.55 appldr keys released by netkas except the 3.55 key that were released by anonymous
1.00 to 3.30 an 3.55 isoldr keys released by Mathieulh

Maz7006 · Jan 3, 2011

if these hacks dnt allow online play, and pirated PSN games / content then i have no interest to invest in another PS3 for hacking

dnt get me wrong, not against this or anything, great work, but how far can we really go besides piracy ?

im guessing some media player application ? - who really needs that though ?

Emulation - could be interesting; well if a GC emulator pops up ill definitely be interested.

and nothing else i could put my finger on.

for example already on psxscene they're working on the new games such as Gt5 , NFS:HP to work but nothing else yet

not being impatient, but giving this a think through, hacking just for piracy; no intention on that; it's why we have the 360

EDIT: if it allows BC on Slims then fuck that, im hacking

- then again my PS2 still does a great job doing so but meh time to move on eh ?

George Dawes · Jan 3, 2011

The Pi said:
He's quite right asking for a job "the best security experts are hackers" and all that.

Many hackers turn out to be terrible in a corporate setting, but they won't be hacking/cracking your product if they are on your payroll.

See: NDS/Sky.

abel009 · Jan 3, 2011

"Either you support Linux in your hardware or it will be hacked sooner or later"

xD best sentence ever!!!!

Moral of the story: never stop supporting Linux or suffer the consequences.

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