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Re-read, only 3 or 4 are from people themselves complaining, all others are my cousing/co-worker/employee/neighbour/girlfriend/...."Nearly" 3 or 4 out 12. Yea its just propaganda.
Added to that, out of 74 million people voting for Trump, they take 12 stories without verificatiin, and call it regret? Yeah, that's propaganda and just dividing people.
Be glad Trump won, people would have complained a lot more had Harris won. The idiot can't even manage her campaign funds, imagine her leading US economics.
Kamala bro thinks we're going to read his copy and pasted anti-Trump articles.
Come on, son. 4 more years of ignoring the TDS.
At least 4 more years. Maybe democrats are right and Trump will take over the world! That would be so... awesome actually...
but serious, In 2028, the republican candidate will be hand picked by Trump, so most likely someone who has the same mindset as him, Trump 2.0. And if all the cries here about Project 2025 are true, how it will rig everything in favor for republicans, democrats will never win an election again, so it's gonna be a few hard decades for some!
No you are simply a moron.
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Given Trump is half scottish... this is a retarded statement lol
Thank you for an actual considerate reply.
In an earlier post you mentioned the media taking P25's legislature far out of context. I would respectfully caution you against the same thing here. This is an issue I discuss with my family members in education a lot. No one wants to just hand out degrees, because that sets students up for failure. This is a very nuanced issue and there isn't one easy fix. Raising the education requirements is a quick and dirty fix that sounds great when preached by politicians. But in reality, it could very well be devastating to the already struggling education infrastructure.
Gender transitions for minors is a much smaller issue than it's made out to be. It's easy to rally behind something as perverse sounding as "child bodily mutilation", but in reality that almost never happens. Usually, gender reassignment can't legally happen until a person turns 16-18 (depending on the state) and it's not a one and done deal. Gender reassignment is a lengthy, life-changing process and one that's taken seriously and deliberately by all parties involved.
I've long thought that we simply don't have a good answer for trans people in sports yet. There isn't an easy categorizational fix (since pitting them against other trans people would result in wild variance in skill, for instance). Again, Thomas' win represents a flying exception, not the rule. There's a reason her story is overwhelmingly dominant in conservative-propagated stories about trans athletes--almost every other trans athlete is on par with other athletes, and thus don't make very good rallying calls. But, all this aside, simply shoving trans athletes out without any regard for a solution is callous and careless. A far cry from a sustainable solution that works for everyone.
Also worth noting that it's easy for conservative politicians to use hyper-inflated issues like these as an excuse to cut back rights for all LGBTQ people, as has been observed in the past. As a reminder, gay marriage was illegal in many states in 2012.
In my opinion, Project 2025's biggest issue is that it offers oversimplified solutions to appease conservative viewpoints, with no regard for the consequences or impacts of those solutions on non-conservatives. This kind of legislature usually only deepens the divide between the parties.
I'm not left, politically. Not everyone I talk about here is either, and no one that I did (that I know personally, that is) is hard left. P25 will nevertheless affect all of our lives at some point if it's implemented, and I fear that conservative media will continue to minimize how far-reaching it's arms are.
Sorry for the wall of text. And thank you again for some genuine talking points.
I understand this sentiment, and as someone who has several close family members in education (high school and college level) I agree that students graduating with less skills than they need is a problem. But, and this is a theme with P25 as a whole--there is no universal solution for something this nuanced. Some students need extra assistance and support to get to the point they need to me. Some students have such tumultuous personal lives that without this support, they're being set up for failure after high school. Still other students will do the bare minimum to graduate, undermining their own skills later on in life. And more students, in spite of all this, prosper and achieve excellence in school that carries them forward later in life.
In an earlier post you mentioned the media taking P25's legislature far out of context. I would respectfully caution you against the same thing here. This is an issue I discuss with my family members in education a lot. No one wants to just hand out degrees, because that sets students up for failure. This is a very nuanced issue and there isn't one easy fix. Raising the education requirements is a quick and dirty fix that sounds great when preached by politicians. But in reality, it could very well be devastating to the already struggling education infrastructure.
Another extremely delicate and nuanced issue. Of course, many conservatives see LGBTQ culture as entirely silly and pointless, so repealing LGBTQ legislature seems like a simple and logical solution. But--again--with so much variance both in and related to the LGBTQ community, one universal solution won't just make all the problems go away. Conservative media loves to hyperbolize LGBTQ presence in everyday life--they pounced on Lia Thomas' swimming win, for instance, despite Thomas being one of the only transgender athletes to compete and win like she did.
Gender transitions for minors is a much smaller issue than it's made out to be. It's easy to rally behind something as perverse sounding as "child bodily mutilation", but in reality that almost never happens. Usually, gender reassignment can't legally happen until a person turns 16-18 (depending on the state) and it's not a one and done deal. Gender reassignment is a lengthy, life-changing process and one that's taken seriously and deliberately by all parties involved.
I've long thought that we simply don't have a good answer for trans people in sports yet. There isn't an easy categorizational fix (since pitting them against other trans people would result in wild variance in skill, for instance). Again, Thomas' win represents a flying exception, not the rule. There's a reason her story is overwhelmingly dominant in conservative-propagated stories about trans athletes--almost every other trans athlete is on par with other athletes, and thus don't make very good rallying calls. But, all this aside, simply shoving trans athletes out without any regard for a solution is callous and careless. A far cry from a sustainable solution that works for everyone.
Also worth noting that it's easy for conservative politicians to use hyper-inflated issues like these as an excuse to cut back rights for all LGBTQ people, as has been observed in the past. As a reminder, gay marriage was illegal in many states in 2012.
The problem with delegating all abortion rights to the states is that with such a sensitive issue, one state deciding something different from another seems like a simple fix in theory but is actually quite chaotic in practice. We'll expect to see women fleeing conservative states, desperately seeking refuge and abortions when their own state denies them that right, even if the woman's life could be in danger or if she was raped. It doesn't seem a big deal to us because we aren't women. If my girlfriend wants an abortion in the future, we will both want easy access to a service without having to jump through hoops or travel to a different state. I feel very sorry for the women that will have to do so.
P25 is very easy to spin either way, and there's a case to be made for either side. I haven't even brought up religious superiority yet, another concept rampant in P25, which is the single most concerning issue to me personally. I'm worried, not for myself for the most part, but for the people I know. The people who have pushed for women's rights for years only for them to be repealed now. The people who will be put out of a job for refusing to say there are two genders. The people who live their lives as LGBTQ people, the people like myself who pride themselves in atheistic world views, and the people in minority groups who have been vying for equal representation for years.
In my opinion, Project 2025's biggest issue is that it offers oversimplified solutions to appease conservative viewpoints, with no regard for the consequences or impacts of those solutions on non-conservatives. This kind of legislature usually only deepens the divide between the parties.
I'm not left, politically. Not everyone I talk about here is either, and no one that I did (that I know personally, that is) is hard left. P25 will nevertheless affect all of our lives at some point if it's implemented, and I fear that conservative media will continue to minimize how far-reaching it's arms are.
Sorry for the wall of text. And thank you again for some genuine talking points.
Thank you for the reply back. It's nice having a decend conversation when it comes to politics. In the last decade, most of them are more flame wars, where little and big lies aren't spared. So this is refreshing.
It's obvious, but we will all have to learn to comprimise, and work together in making the world a bit better. We need to stop acting like a victim, and have a bit more empathie.
As you said, education isn't an easy fix. What has been done so far, was treating the symptoms, and ignoring the cure. Why do POC sometimes struggle in education? My 2 cents on that, is that it's not genetical or some arguments often used, but it's more a cultural issue. A POC getting good points, is too often refered to as "too white". Or they feel that it's pointless, giving the economic environment they are in. Or often too, is that they don't know the language well enough. Those are all very real factors, and complex to fix too. And it's a shame, because when the currect meassures are turned back and the bar is once again risen, it will take away motivation from a lot of students, making the problem worse once more. Offcourse, leaving it like this will do even more damage.
As for LGBT rights. I'm pretty conservative, but even I never had any issues for same sex couples getting married. And sure, if you feel you're in the wrong body, you have the right to express yourself as the oposite gender. A lot of countries don't allow that. But, we also have to agree that some people have an issue with that. While I'm not religious, a lot of people in the US are, and should be allowed to express their feelings. While fysical abuse or true bullying should never be allowed, you cannot force others to use the pronounse you identify with. You can ask, but you cannot force it. Especially when your pronounse is furthest away from the normative. Think They/Them, Zhe/Zhem, and a lot of others like that. Personally, I am willing to call someone the opposite of their biological gender if they ask for it, because I am respectful enough, but will refuse other pronounses.
Going further on that, you should also respect those around you. While a trans person might feel to use a toilet different to their biological gender, you have to consider others not being comfortable sharing that toilet with you. Those persons well being is just as important as your own. But in today's society, those people are being labelled transphobic, getting cancelled, resulting in growing actual transphobia.
And you can apply that logic to other things too, such as trans people in prison or sports, which both have caused a lot of issues.
Especially with children, we should be careful with those topics. I have a 4yo son who loves girly things. He dresses himself up, loves pink things. I let him to that, why wouldn't I? But a lot of children like him, are labelled trans, and forced by their parents or even schools (from what I've heard), to transition. That's so extremely harmful, and can ruin a childs life. Gender identity doesn't even develop until around 7, and even than it's very basic. Under the age of 10, it should never be a discussion point, and even behind that, there needs to be a lot more research about long terms effects on it. Recently, it came out such studies were being surpressed because it didn't fit their narrative. Those people responsible should be jailed for life in my opinion. Also the entire thing about dragqueens reading stories to young children, and all those related things, are just weird in my opinion.
As for abortions, it's a bit hard to give an opinion on it. I'm not against it in a lot of circumstances, like health, rape, young age. But I do feel that when you have a stable life and the correct age, it's wrong and a bit selfish. You had the fun, so you should take responsibility. Offcourse, bringing back how a lot of people in the US are religious, I can understand they feel very different about it. That's why for me, I think the state deciding on it would be more fitting to most people living there. Offcourse, basic rules should be made. Personally, after 12 weeks or so, it shouldn't be allowed. Maybe 16, but everything more than that would be hard for me to justify. But here we also circle back to our beginning, better education about it. And even free birth control up to adulthood. The best solution against abortion, is making sure it's never needed.
Sorry if I skimmed over any point, but I think we will both agree that compromises will have to be made, and rational minds will be needed in the future. However, seeing how people are still behaving and yelling against each other over politics, I fear it will happen anytime soon. We will keep swinging from left to right, until we finally reach the middle ground.
Ps: I did type this wall with children arguing next to me, so sorry if there are weird mistakes in my text. Yeah two boys at home, even if they are well behaved, end up in arguments every single day.
Probably will reply later, got school for now. Some good talking points here though!
Yeah, all else aside I kinda hate this. I'm just sick of how infested this country is with Elon Musk's bizarre business practices. Musk seems like the high schooler that bought entry to a college party with beer. He bought his way in so he can't really be kicked out, but he also doesn't fit the vibe of everyone else and the others just wish he'd leave so no one would have to say anything.
Absolutely fantastic to see some goddamn well thought-out nuanced points here. It's really refreshing.
Trump isn't going to use Project 2025. It's wishful thinking from people when in fact Trump has said no to it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...5-heritage-foundation-fact-check/74340278007/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/fact-check-harris-vance-project-2025/index.html
It really wasn't. Trump was never going to push Project 2025.
Right. There's a lot of ripple effects that something like this will cause, including the possibility of some that people may not even see coming. Teachers as a whole have limited influence to make things better themselves, even with the best of intentions and desire to see students succeed. It's a dilemma, but I can't possibly imagine any world in which tightening the leash even more somehow makes things better.
I see where you're coming from here. I do want to point out that grouping They'Them and Zhe/Zhem is somewhat erroneous--the former is much more common than the latter, and is used mainly by non-binary people (people that don't strongly identify with either gender). I have several non-binary friends, just as I have several trans friends, but I've never met a single person who uses any other pronouns. Again--live and let live. It doesn't bother me if someone wants to be referred to as just "them", and in practice it's really not a big deal at all.
Conservative media likes to group all alternate pronouns together--they'them, she/her, zhey/zhem, ze/zim, xer/xers, etc etc etc because it paints anyone who uses any alternate pronouns as delusional, regardless of how uncommon other pronouns actually are. It might seem nitpicky to point that out, but it really is a very important distinction. Just like how progressive media likes to equate all Trump supporters to Nazis. It's the same fallacious strategy, just on the other side of the coin, and just as erroneous.
Absolutely--ideas planted in children's heads can have lasting impacts on how they see the world when they get older. In your case especially, using a "live and let live" philosophy seems to be the best solution--let kids be kids. If they make gender based decisions when they're older and understand the weight behind it then that's fine, but there's no need to flood their brains with that kind of stuff now. Part of it, as well, is due to gender ideology being such a comparatively new concept that we're still feeling things out, like long-term effects for instance.
This is another instance of something blown out of proportion by conservative media. The vast majority of elementary schools are not implementing any kind of gender-based teachings (and I speak from experience, having grown up and around a very blue state with family still teaching there), and in middle and high school teachers are mindful about how they teach those things.
The drag queen thing was likely conceived as a media stunt designed to ruffle feathers and piss off conservative news outlets, which it succeeded in spectacularly. That kind of thing happening doesn't happen for virtually any other purpose.
Of course. Abortion remains perhaps one of the touchiest issues of all, and people on both sides feel very strongly about it. The biggest concern I have about P25's implementation of abortion restrictions is because it doesn't account for the very case-by-case nature of abortions. More and more conservative legislature potentially endangers life itself by refusing abortions even when the mother's safety is at stake. This isn't something P25 cares about--in the manifesto, abortion is demonized as a liberal ritual, something that needs to be thrown out and shunned. I'm simplifying here, of course, but the problem remains--applying a universal, unyielding issue to a complex problem is asking for trouble, regardless of any moralistic debates.
Of course, by very nature, conservatism emphasizes a smaller central government (state decision) whilst progressivism emphasizes a stronger central government (national decision), so you're going to see fluctuations depending on any person's ideology.
And birth control and proper education are truly invaluable tools for preventing the need for abortion in the first place. Unfortunately, Project 2025 has sections about limiting access to contraception and birth control, which sort of shoots this point in the foot with no real viable replacement.
The reason I try my hardest to stay politically neutral is because it offers the clearest lens into objectivity. The farther one sways to either side, the harder it is to maintain a purely objective standpoint--something I've witnessed both around me and by personal experience time and time again. I do hope that someday others will see that too, but with each coming President focusing so hard on undoing everything the last guy did, that seems to be an unlikely possibility. And with increasingly aggressive legislature (P25 being the most prominent but far from the only example) true understanding from one side of the aisle to the other remains ever elusive. Someday that could change, but until then I'll continue being the best voice of reason I can.
Thank you for pursuing a well-thought out conversation in this screaming match of a forum!
I somehow get the feeling he's going to run for president in the next election. so that'd sure explain why he suddenly took interest in politics etc.
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