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Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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If you want to be picky about it, Biden's administration has given $0 to citizens as of right now since he was only just sworn in. If he's expecting Biden to deliver something, that expectation began today.
Yes, but again, Biden was specifically advocating for $2,000 in place of the $600 that went out, and Biden has been clear that it means $1,400 is what's owed.

I don't think it should stop there, but I'm specifically addressing what's "owed," not what I think it should be.

Biden: We should do $2,000.
Republicans: We will settle for $600.
Biden: That means we should make up the difference with $1,400.
 
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Yawn.
New el presidente. Same as old el presidente.
That is to say largely ineffective and pointless by dint of no great real power and having to appease 100 different often mutually exclusive parties with a hand on the puppet strings, this even if he was not a weak entity both as a person and politically. None have ever really had a spine or moral convictions that I can see, and the new set don't have anything remarkable about them either.
No real great changes expected. Probably still be as "polarised" as things are now (it is an effective strategy after all).

Those that claim the need for a healing, end to madness, return to normality and other such things... I don't really see any of the last 4,8 or 12 years as any kind of crazy. Or if you prefer list of policy decisions and actions I am likely to care about in 5, 10 and 15 years from now? The lack of them generally speaking to how mundane things really are.

About as interesting as it gets will be to see how well each political party reinvents itself. Both big ones are rather internally fractured at this point, and arguably should have been shattered some 10 years ago if it was going to be the normal cycle on reinvention, to reform into something interesting. That said if the system is still going to be straight mathematically biased to only having two parties (and the would be very distant third from the libertarians is also content to implode internally) then just more for the "still not interesting" weighting, though with most of the big players being at or around retirement and "could plausibly drop dead at any moment" then outside chance of something fun.


There are some issues facing the US (it is almost a post industrial setup and not handling it that well, even without everybody being too terrified to leave their home for 2 years) but there are too many actors with way too much entrenched power to likely see any great change there (all the political will in the world, which is nowhere near present here, runs up against economics eventually). The zombies that are New York (city), much of California, Oregon and New Jersey (have you seen its taxes and pension deficit?) will probably keep shambling for a few more years so no immediate effect, and I doubt they will get bailed out this go around (way too unpopular for someone seeking reelection in 4 years).

Am going to be interested in seeing what the media spin machine will be doing this time around to try to keep itself relevant (go back a few years and Fox news was the embattled last line of defence against the atrocious left wing, last few years CNN and whatnot then position themselves as the last line of defence against the atrocious right wing... all very boring and predictable in the end), and what its death throes and last vestiges of power might do to those, presumably nice lean internet based news organisations/commentators/setups, looking to replace them (see newspapers vs radio vs TV news for a nice dim and distant one).

If I was not a cynic I might ponder if the everyman would consider some local politics as the US actually still more or less if you squint has some local power still relevant and this last year or two has shown that way more than I thought. However I am a cynic and change rarely happens there.
 
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first hurdle to overcome is to ban the EC popular vote is used in most free countries our founding fathers are probably saying the same thing in their graves after that 2016 fiasco well covid is #1 a better response to the pandemic is needed make Gerrymandenig illegal but I'm more intrested in what will affect me as a person the most he made a campaign promise to fix the broken SS/DI system as it is now many disabled americans are unable to work cause you can only make $60 on SSI working without it affecting benifets you cant marry without taking a hit either heck if it wasn't for dems we would've been axed for the cares act the disabled had a voice only 3 decades old (92 cause of clinton the ADA) before that places like my state had things called "ugly laws" permitting establishments to bar the disabled like restaurants for example from dining there
 
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Yawn.
New el presidente. Same as old el presidente.
That is to say largely ineffective and pointless by dint of no great real power and having to appease 100 different often mutually exclusive parties with a hand on the puppet strings, this even if he was not a weak entity both as a person and politically. None have ever really had a spine or moral convictions that I can see, and the new set don't have anything remarkable about them either.
No real great changes expected. Probably still be as "polarised" as things are now (it is an effective strategy after all).

Those that claim the need for a healing, end to madness, return to normality and other such things... I don't really see any of the last 4,8 or 12 years as any kind of crazy. Or if you prefer list of policy decisions and actions I am likely to care about in 5, 10 and 15 years from now? The lack of them generally speaking to how mundane things really are.

About as interesting as it gets will be to see how well each political party reinvents itself. Both big ones are rather internally fractured at this point, and arguably should have been shattered some 10 years ago if it was going to be the normal cycle on reinvention, to reform into something interesting. That said if the system is still going to be straight mathematically biased to only having two parties (and the would be very distant third from the libertarians is also content to implode internally) then just more for the "still not interesting" weighting, though with most of the big players being at or around retirement and "could plausibly drop dead at any moment" then outside chance of something fun.


There are some issues facing the US (it is almost a post industrial setup and not handling it that well, even without everybody being too terrified to leave their home for 2 years) but there are too many actors with way too much entrenched power to likely see any great change there (all the political will in the world, which is nowhere near present here, runs up against economics eventually). The zombies that are New York (city), much of California, Oregon and New Jersey (have you seen its taxes and pension deficit?) will probably keep shambling for a few more years so no immediate effect, and I doubt they will get bailed out this go around (way too unpopular for someone seeking reelection in 4 years).

Am going to be interested in seeing what the media spin machine will be doing this time around to try to keep itself relevant (go back a few years and Fox news was the embattled last line of defence against the atrocious left wing, last few years CNN and whatnot then position themselves as the last line of defence against the atrocious right wing... all very boring and predictable in the end), and what its death throes and last vestiges of power might do to those, presumably nice lean internet based news organisations/commentators/setups, looking to replace them (see newspapers vs radio vs TV news for a nice dim and distant one).

If I was not a cynic I might ponder if the everyman would consider some local politics as the US actually still more or less if you squint has some local power still relevant and this last year or two has shown that way more than I thought. However I am a cynic and change rarely happens there.
"No real great changes expected"? Did you not see or hear about what he did about an hour and a half ago?
 
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With a large, multi-ethnic population there will always be a difference of opinion, but nothing brings people together like a common cause or enemy; this Term actually has two, one of which predicated the current Government's election, the other which showed itself in the last weeks.

As such, I don't doubt this whole Term's agenda will be COVID-19 and, unlike even the Government-approved Scientists who initially gave out morsels of information on TV and now explains things as needed, I can say that it will take more than just 4 years to get on top of this Pandemic.

Frankly, it's surprising that most Western Media are acting like it's the first time they've heard of Mutations - did nobody finish High-School Biology. The first two years will definitely be about Vaccination rollout and the Mutation, and somewhere towards the end of the Term will be realistic efforts to find Medicine.

The eventuality of this will probably end up looking like Flu Medication, where people go to their pharmacists for Pills to take for COVID-19 rather than line up for Vaccination; I don't doubt future generations will see COVID-19 as commonplace like we see the Flu now.

Overall, I believe that this Term's legacy will be the Healing of a Nation, both figuratively and literally.
 
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Im from México.. What do expect from Biden Administration?

First i want Trump to get jailed and dont serve any job politics in USA for a long time(100 years)

Next get jailed Ajit Pai,get super regulations about medicine from any pharmaceutic, and finally i want their administration erase all the corruption of my country.

Because here where i live its very known of president (AMLO México) have good allies the narcos and the President Trump.
 
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"No real great changes expected"? Did you not see or hear about what he did about an hour and a half ago?
Is it something that will resonate 5, 10 or 15 years from now? Likely to see notable economic changes for reasonably large sectors or classes? Likely to see changes in freedoms?
If so no great changes. Such things are not unusual. Most times presidents, especially acting on executive orders (which is a far from ideal setup), don't do that anyway so something that actually makes a real difference rather than just political points is the exception rather than the rule.
Or if you prefer then go the other way. What massively positive or negative effects did the last guy and the one before that have?
 
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Im from México.. What do expect from Biden Administration?

First i want Trump to get jailed and dont serve any job politics in USA for a long time(100 years)

Next get jailed Ajit Pai,get super regulations about medicine from any Pharmaceutic, and finally i want their administration erase all the corruption of my country.

Because here where i live its very know of president (AMLO México) have good allies the narcos and the President Trump.
So far it seems like Biden's going to do two things: undo as much of the damage Trump did as he can, and solve as many of the major problems left after that as he can (discrimination, inequality, the various economic issues resulting from a shittily-run capitalist system ramming face-first into a global pandemic...).
Seems good so far, especially considering he decided to go at it quick from the start.
 
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Is it something that will resonate 5, 10 or 15 years from now? Likely to see notable economic changes for reasonably large sectors or classes? Likely to see changes in freedoms?
If so no great changes. Such things are not unusual. Most times presidents, especially acting on executive orders (which is a far from ideal setup), don't do that anyway so something that actually makes a real difference rather than just political points is the exception rather than the rule.
Or if you prefer then go the other way. What massively positive or negative effects did the last guy and the one before that have?
Considering the last guy was Trump, who not only put in place various pretty-darn-unnecessary immigration restrictions (all of which were clearly done because of bigotry against either Mexicans or Muslims instead of any, ya know, logical reason) but is the reason the US got hit so hard by this pandemic (due to his catastrophic mishandling thereof)... yeahhhh.

He burned a bunch of money by rescinding the permits for Keystone XL and signed an assortment of expensive-sounding executive orders while providing no mechanism for funding them. Time will tell how the results will look like.

Keystone XL being completed would result in a complete and utter environmental disaster- I'd rather money burn than the planet.
And though some of the orders will definitely take time and money, that's what it takes to improve things sometimes. Destruction is easy, construction is harder.
And then there's the fact that the ones that WON'T take that, like the one basically banning anti-LGBTQ+ workplace discrimination, are still pretty great steps in the right direction.
 
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Considering the last guy was Trump, who not only put in place various pretty-darn-unnecessary immigration restrictions (all of which were clearly done because of bigotry against either Mexicans or Muslims instead of any, ya know, logical reason) but is the reason the US got hit so hard by this pandemic (due to his catastrophic mishandling thereof)... yeahhhh.

The muslim ban was an interesting one, possibly could have been justified but wasn't really from what I saw (Arab spring and major fallout thereof was some 4 years earlier but ramping back up, almost as though knocking over governments and putting nothing in its place doesn't work so well). Restricting Mexicans seemed reasonable, illegal immigration having a demonstrable effect upon various labour markets (possibly crime but that is less of one), even if wall building is a silly idea. The general trend has been to make it harder for many years now as well.

What rights would I have lost or gained under Trump had I been there?
Ditto Obama?
Equally if they are different what could I have reasonably attributed to the then current el presidente as much as other things.
Despite threats on free speech from all sides it is mostly what it was 10 years ago.
Police can still steal my money/items, claim it was for criminal things and make me sue to get it back, and demonstrably still do make any number of very dubious calls there. Neither furthered nor ended.
Police in general still seem about as skull cracking as US ones ever were, though that is arguably a local/state matter for much of that. Not my idea of a good time but about what I would expect.
If I care about guns then things might well be more restrictive now than they were, and in arguably pointless ways.
Getting divorced is as much a raw deal today as was back in the 90s. The gay alphabet soup lot, something of a cause celebre in recent years, also seem to be able to enjoy marriage and not being kicked out of the job market/life in general and have done for a while now (no change under him anyway). Ditto skin colour if you go in for that one. The poor are pretty hard done by but always have been really, and are in most places.

Any major services or milestones and end results thereof?
Health and net insurance (never mind effective insurance) might be a fun one to ponder.
Infrastructure is always crumbling and everybody knows someone that hit a pot hole. Mostly seems to be new bridges that are collapsing though.

Does the economic outlook via various means* look better for [age ranges] as of last year (and this if you want to count this little pandemic business then go that as well).

*salary to home cost ratio, home availability, savings, debt utilisation (and nature thereof -- US student loans are unpleasant but have not really changed in character in a long time), education level attained, average salary (probably inflation adjusted), retirement and nature thereof, homelessness and nature thereof, unemployment trends (general and underemployment), child poverty... there are plenty to look at. The projected future trends for many of those don't look too pretty, however I am not sure I am inclined to point at presidential meddling on any count for those (student loans being backed rather than means tested and results based... yeah, home loans and bail outs... yeah).

You say his mishandling of the pandemic is something to note. Do go on. What could he have done (and governors, all these states having their own nice healthcare infrastructure and universities of their own to tap after all, could not have done -- most states seem to be doing their own thing quite happily for some time now) or not done that would have made all the difference or just a really notable one? I can't say it was a model to follow but I doubt the US ever could have been (infrastructure never centralised, standardised, no scope to mobilise a force like there is for all sorts of things for hotspots...) and not really that bad as a general trend.

Are my consumer rights really any better or worse than they were in 2008? Few places had cases in their local supreme courts to iron out some of the kinks and some finally wound their way up to the main supreme court (that toner refills one being a fun one). Seeing fewer bills really that done much of anything here.
Most big companies just as inclined to not respect rights and me as a consumer as they ever were. Said companies (and ones looking to rise up) often mired in red tape as well (though that is just as commonly from local/state levels).

Am I likely to find my home buried under a mound of toxic sludge or breathe smog on the way to work where I was not before?


At no point during the last 15 or so years have I wanted to live in the US (I like Europe much more), content enough to visit for long periods though without feeling like I was wading into a fallen country or warzone. Never really felt like it was a country in ascendency either. By similar token for any of those has any country massively eclipsed the US in possibly anything other than healthcare (the third rate nature of that being a long standing cause of amusement for most of the rest of the world) that the US could have done if they had wanted, or indeed something that is fairly obvious the US could have done that would have made things 10000 times better.

To that end this is the new sound, same as the old sound. Last el presidente was an unlikeable arsehole and surrounded by gaping arseholes, but that is just called being a politician and something you get to work with. New one looks no different, and that is without the lack of power available in the role (both generally and with the current setup being as generally evenly matched as it is) and need to spin many plates at once.
 
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He burned a bunch of money by rescinding the permits for Keystone XL and signed an assortment of expensive-sounding executive orders while providing no mechanism for funding them. Time will tell how the results will look like.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-executive-orders-watch-live-stream-today-2021-01-20/
I'm pretty sure that simply reversing Trump's corporate tax cuts will pay for all of that and so much more.
Rescinding the permits is also worth the price, considering the existential threat that is human-caused climate change.
 

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Improving access to safe and reliable energy from Canada while reducing dependency on crude oil from unstable regions of the world like the Middle East was a big plus for me. You're not stopping climate change, you're just getting oil from somewhere else. Claiming otherwise is foolish, this doesn't reduce carbon emissions in any shape or form.

I'm pretty sure that simply reversing Trump's corporate tax cuts will pay for all of that and so much more.
Correction, you'll be paying for it.
 
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It must be nice having the kind of privilege that allows for a "lax laughable response" to politics.
Sir, perhaps "privilege" is not the word you intended to use here. It is a relative term, so a reference point must be established to convey its meaning. The manner in which you presented the term here can be considered 'low-effort'.

Your assumption that a disinterest (or 'lax view') of politics is due to 'privledge' comes across as quite narrow. There are *various* reasons and motivations individuals prefer avoiding politics, or watching politics from afar. Please consider these other options.
 

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Improving access to safe and reliable energy from Canada while reducing dependency on crude oil from unstable regions of the world like the Middle East was a big plus for me. You're not stopping climate change, you're just getting oil from somewhere else. Claiming otherwise is foolish, this doesn't reduce carbon emissions in any shape or form.
That's why there's more than just the single step involved. Step two is obviously putting more focus on developing and expanding our renewable energy infrastructure. Besides, we have an overabundance of oil in our reserves already, it's basically worthless, and renewables still come in cheaper per kilowatt hour anyway.

Correction, you'll be paying for it.
You must be overestimating my yearly income by a fair amount.
 
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Improving access to safe and reliable energy from Canada while reducing dependency on crude oil from unstable regions of the world like the Middle East was a big plus for me. You're not stopping climate change, you're just getting oil from somewhere else. Claiming otherwise is foolish, this doesn't reduce carbon emissions in any shape or form.

Correction, you'll be paying for it.
"Safe and reliable", but also EVEN WORSE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAN CRUDE OIL! (And that's saying something!) Not only would Keystone XL result in using an even more environmentally unfriendly form of energy, but it'd result in using an absolute fuckton of the stuff, and likely in addition to all the crude oil we're already using!
This absolutely does reduce carbon emissions- by preventing something that would've made previous carbon emissions look puny in comparison.

And in terms of the tax cuts, how the hell would basically just taxing big corporations MORE result in consumers paying for it, figuratively or literally? That's... not how that works.
 

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Sir, perhaps "privilege" is not the word you intended to use here. It is a relative term, so a reference point must be established to convey its meaning. The manner in which you presented the term here can be considered 'low-effort'.

Your assumption that a disinterest (or 'lax view') of politics is due to 'privledge' comes across as quite narrow. There are *various* reasons and motivations individuals prefer avoiding politics, or watching politics from afar. Please consider these other options.
Please send me a PM if you'd like to have this conversation. The mods were (rightfully) clear that this is wildly off topic.
 
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