I would never enforce something I wouldn't want to do myself. My proposal is going back to normal. If you're at a very high risk, it's of course recommended to stay home, but don't enforce it. You decide if you want to protect yourself.
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Laissez faire?
Oh, you know - today I dont feel like it.
Let the elderly fend for themselves. In isolation. 5x spike in mortality in NY? Well, whatcha gonna do? Social distancing? optional, really. Masks? Only if you love wearing them.
US has 7x the deaths per million compared to germany. I didnt know you could be more laissez faire. To be fair though, US also had about half the economical recession.
So 7x more deaths half the economic harm, ... Yeah, checks out.
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If you werent such an idiot, you would at least acknowledge, that social distancing and mask wearing is here to stay, maybe for the next 2-5 years. In some form. If you had any trust in your political leaders, which obviously you dont have. Because its freaking low effort and you prevent a loss of lives equivalent to a World War every two years.
But no - first you burry your intellect in a semantic argument (Covid doesnt kill people, cars do), then your brilliant idea to solve the issue is to do nothing. Bank on peoples initiatives.
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Oh and self isolation only if you feel like it?
https://www.dw.com/en/us-army-probe...-at-military-ski-resort-in-bavaria/a-54954950
Was that your girlfriend?
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
Speech - It's harder to hear people when they're wearing masks.
Religious expression - Churches are being shut down by the government.
Movement - Some people want another lockdown.
This is starting to feel Orwellian. A disease is no reason to destroy the economy. You've got to crack a few eggs to make a big freedom omelet. Freedom is infinitely more important than safety. My rights don't end where your fear begins. Look at Sweden. Look at South Dakota. They're doing great. Open up.
Essential liberty to what? Not wear facemasks? Like the southeastasian countries did for years? Not to mingle with potentially infected people during a plague too closely?
Not to loose that argument to hyperbole, we all are lucky, that Covid-19 is only around 10-20 times more problematic than seasonal flu, but the first thing that comes to mind is, that there is a special wing of the cemetery, reserved for the 'Ebola? Whats ebola?" kind.
An epidemic is kind of an extraordinary event, thats bound to change rules a little. You can change them back afterwards.
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I'm not saying that the Coronavirus doesn't exist. I'm saying it's being blown ridiculously out of proportion. On Sundays and Mondays, the daily COVID deaths here in the US don't even hit five hundred.
If you give your rights up, you don't get them back.
Bro I can't even get over the fact that your "omg my right to speech is being infringed" is that you MIGHT have to talk a little louder.
Like holy shit L M F A O.
Like holy shit L M F A O.
But part of what makes it possible to give that statement is people in NY fe. quarantining the heck out of themselves..
(At least when realizing they have it.)Not saying that the swedish model (pretty laissez faire) is out of the question, but it still implements behavioral changes, where needed. Which means, dont listen to the 'its nothing' folks either, they are also wrong.
And part of why it is blown out of proportion (not really (as in factual reporting still a thing) but in some peoples perceptions is, because there are days where its all there is in the news) - is that people realize that some changes kind of are needed. Selectively if you want, only in certain cities, at certain times, but nevertheless.
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I think that viewpoint could be a slippery slope, tbh. I could counter that with "is life worth living if you're not free?"
Speaking from a directly US-centric viewpoint - There's a pretty well understood idea of what "freedom" is. There are "freedoms" written into our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
What I don't understand, though, is how during a global pandemic, being asked to be compassionate for the health and wellbeing of your fellow countrymen by wearing a mask that all science points to the fact that it SHOULD reduce transmission rates to an appreciable degree, is giving up your freedom.
Choosing not to do so is selfish and self-centered. There's no mask police. I'm not aware of a single instance of someone being jailed for simply not wearing a mask. In many cases they're trespassed from establishments, because businesses also have the right to not serve you. In some cases in the US people may be fined but in the VAST majority of cases that I've seen, if not all, that's because the person is also causing issues, being a public nuisance, harassing people, etc.
If someone would like to challenge that with verifiable facts though, then please, I'm legitimately open to it.
"I can't comprehend how, under the looming threat of a form of the common cold, the government telling you to cause physical harm to your face for the "safety" and "comfort" of strangers (information acquired from the same sources that claim that there are more than two genders) is considered overstepping its boundaries."
well, the way this scenario has played out is not too surprising. the brain drain over the last 20 years has taken a serious toll on America. Most of the highly educated have been leaving the USA for better countries for a while. we have finally hit the maximum concentration of smart people leaving, and stupid people claiming that education is indoctrination. as a result, we have suffered far worse than any other country in the world so far, as a result of our new distrust in science; and limp-dicked leadership. Smart people who are wearing masks are having their effort undone by dumb and selfish people all over the place. bet you can't guess which states have had the most brain drain in the last 3.5 years.
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/i...ur-minds-brain-drain-across-the-united-states
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/i...ur-minds-brain-drain-across-the-united-states
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Speaking of which, remember when Nancy Pelosi told a hair salon (which shut down because of her) that she was going to get her hair done there without a mask?
Harm to your face?
Uh... what???
Edit - I know you're just trolling. But man, sometimes I just HAVE to take the bait.
If I wear it properly (that's a big 'if'), the mask will slide up my nose and poke my eyes.
Here are the deathfigures sorted as deceased per million (last row on the right), just to show you what you are striving for in the US with a call for even less restrictions:
and here are US daily Covid-19 deaths since the start of the epidemic:
src: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
...but on monday they werent so high?
and here are US daily Covid-19 deaths since the start of the epidemic:
src: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
...but on monday they werent so high?
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