Well, because you are still dodging the question. You absolutely refuse to give an unborn child even the slightest of value.
I really haven't dodged any questions, if you don't like my answers, I'm sorry, but they are more than sufficient to the questions you've asked. I give an unborn child's life value, I just don't think it's value is equal to that of a life with a developed brain that has formed thoughts and memories. I've already explained this.
Okay, I know this is aimed at @The Real Jdbye and @DarknessPlay3r but I want to chime in regardless...
It was a yes/no question and you refused to answer with yes/no (not that you cannot write more after it, of course) thrice or so.
If they have some value to you, I applaud you. Many feminists and their allies are proud of abortions. The more the better. I also do not value a fetus as much due to the "parasitic" nature of pregnancy. However, I can see why some women might even value the fetus more than their own life (e.g. a late pregnancy, last chance of passing on their genes).
I explained my stance and explained that if that stance sounds like equality to you, then yes, it's equality. I don't view it as an issue of equality personally, because in a moment where my life is in danger of ending from some assailant, I literally couldn't care less about their gender, race, pregnancy status, etc. etc. All that matters to me at that point is survival. (Hence why you didn't get your simple yes or no, but you did get my stance on the issue all the same.)
I don't know if I'd consider myself a feminist or ally or not, and frankly i don't care, that is also besides the point. Frankly, if I'm pro or anti-abortion is also besides the point. The only point I've been making is that the two scenarios simply do not equate, so to ask the question of "how can you be in favor of one and not the other," holds no real merit and shouldn't be a question to be genuinely considered.
Most people go through life, following the wonderfull principle of 'follow the leader'. Its more economical. You dont have to waste energy to think on your own, which you could fail at - you know.
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That's essentially what I was getting at. Even if you have the right to choose whether to do things that may be harmful to yourself or your life situation that does not mean you should have that choice when it comes to harming other people.Okay, I know this is aimed at @The Real Jdbye and @DarknessPlay3r but I want to chime in regardless...
You (again) assume that the fetus is already a child at any point during the pregnancy. So this also affects the outcome ("is a child a person?" will always result in a "yes" from everyone, whereas "is an unborn fetus a person?" will wield varying results, and even most pro-choice will reply with something akin to "depends on its age")
On top of that: the "the child is yours (but the vast majority of people view it differently)" is...a weird way of saying. I'm not sure if you've got children, but when they(1) say that children change your life, they aren't kidding. I mean...my girlfriend and me have one of the nicest babies in the world (hardly ever cries, is 100% healthy and smiles at almost everyone), our parents help out a lot, we've got the financial means to support her AND the corona-situation means I get to spend even MORE time with her...but even in that situation there's a lot of things to factor in(2). A child requires A LOT of responsabilities. If you ask me, it just wouldn't be fair to ask this of couples (or even single mothers) who just don't have the capabilities to make the required changes to adjust to catering to a new life for basically the rest of their lives.
But even so...it simply doesn't hold a candle to the mask-wearing situation. No matter how slim the chance is you're infected yourself, it's not worth spreading that chance to others who might become (very) ill or might even die because of that. Those against it are simply gambling with the health of the people around them. It may be a calculated gamble (I trust that my parents-in-law have practiced safety measures - from masks - since last time I saw them, thus making the risk of infection acceptable), but in public that gamble increases exponentially. Perhaps not to a dangerous degree, but that is only because the vast majority still follows the measures. There's a direct inverse correlation between the amount of people practicing social distancing and mask protections and the amount of covid-cases a country has. It's not fun to hear, but that's what it is.
...and I still can't find any connection between those two situations.
(1): family, friends, colleagues...pretty much anyone who has children
(2): as I'm writing this, I'm playing 8 hours of lullabies because she can't sleep otherwise
But if you are hinting at mask wearing, you have to make that voluntary (but with social pressure), to increase compliance. (Its a 'my body, my rules' thing, if youd force it (in society, in general), people would revolt.
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I didn´t mean liberal in terms of political affiliation. I meant it as the opposite of another extreme: men who do not allow their wives to go out except for grocery shopping.
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