13 Russians, 3 businesses indicted by Mueller/Rosenstein in connection to Trump

[Xzi]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43092085

Needless to say, but this is huge. The indictments specifically mention several methods of interfering with the 2016 election to benefit Trump, also conspiracy on several counts. What they're actually being charged on are federal crimes, "the indictment charges all of the defendants with conspiracy to defraud the United States, three defendants with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft."

It will be interesting to see how Trump reacts and if there are more indictments to come for the other side of this criminal conspiracy.

Here's a long list of other sources for the same story if anyone's interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7y0ldo/megathread_office_of_special_counsel_indicts_13/

EDIT: Not only did they work to help him in the general election, but "ADDITIONALLY: The Russians worked during the primaries to undermine Republicans that weren't Donald Trump -- like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. We're asking Cruz for comment." From Texas Tribune.

 

[the_randomizer]

I'll grab the popcorn for the long haul

 

[H1B1Esquire]

It will be interesting to see how Trump reacts

Pretty much this:


which is pretty much like his statement regarding the release of his tax papers.

 

[Xzi]

*snip*
Fuggin' crazy times we live in. Internet elected a Russian puppet and now the checks and balances are kicking in. Hopefully things remain (mostly) peaceful. The NRA's connections with Russia are a different problem entirely.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

Good, this is hopefully something everyone will support. We need to send the message to the world that our elections are our business and our business alone, not Russia's.

 

[Kioku]

Good, this is hopefully something everyone will support. We need to send the message to the world that our elections are our business and our business alone, not Russia's.

Yup. Sometimes I worry about this nation...

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Good, this is hopefully something everyone will support. We need to send the message to the world that our elections are our business and our business alone, not Russia's.

We also need to send a message to our elected leaders that if they commit impeachable offenses, they WILL be impeached. Trump has coasted far too long despite all of the shady shit he's done in office

 

[Kioku]

We also need to send a message to our elected leaders that if they commit impeachable offenses, they WILL be impeached. Trump has coasted far too long despite all of the shady shit he's done in office

His loud mouth will only go so far.

 

[GBAer]

We also need to send a message to our elected leaders that if they commit impeachable offenses, they WILL be impeached. Trump has coasted far too long despite all of the shady shit he's done in office

And what has trump done exactly for him to be impeached?

 

[the_randomizer]

I hardly see how Trump being removed and Pence taking his place would be any better, but whatever. If Clinton gets in office, I'm gonna GTFO from the US. Yeah, I couldn't give a rat's arse what I said, I said it and I'm gonna be brutally honest towards my feelings of other politicians.

I just didn't want a politician on either extreme to be POTUS.

 

[CallmeBerto]

I'm just here to see how this plays out don't mind me.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

And what has trump done exactly for him to be impeached?

Blatant disregard for the Emoluments Clause, obstruction of justice, and potential collusion with a foreign agent all come to mind

 

[Xzi]

I hardly see how Trump being removed and Pence taking his place would be any better, but whatever. If Clinton gets in office, I'm gonna GTFO from the US. Yeah, I couldn't give a rat's arse what I said, I said it and I'm gonna be brutally honest towards my feelings of other politicians. Come at me.

Well, even if Pence somehow isn't involved or indicted for perjury at the very least, anybody who replaces Trump will be toothless as president after he brings the entire Republican party down in flames. They all showed support for everything Trump did and said, and most of it was motivated by the Russian desire to cause chaos and division within the US.

 

[the_randomizer]

Well, even if Pence somehow isn't involved or indicted for perjury at the very least, anybody who replaces Trump will be toothless as president after he brings the entire Republican party down in flames. They all showed support for everything Trump did and said, and most of it was motivated by the Russian desire to cause chaos and division within the US.

There was already political division since Bush, I don't see this as being any worse than usual. I just didn't want another Clinton in office. Sorry, not sorry, I never agreed with her in any way, all because she was a Clinton. Too bad there weren't other candidates who weren't complete douchebags.

 

[Xzi]

There was already political division since Bush, I don't see this as being any worse than usual. I just didn't want another Clinton in office. Sorry, not sorry, I never agreed with her in any way, all because she was a Clinton. Too bad there weren't other candidates who weren't complete douchebags.

They're not going to hold a new election, just punish those responsible for fucking up the old one. And you must be living under a rock if you think political divisions are no worse than previous. All Trump's done since entering office is insult basically everybody and throw out all presidential norms. His government has attacked net neutrality, legal weed/states rights, freedom of speech/the press and even clean air FFS. Trump has touched every fucking nerve.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

Possibly unpopular opinion: I'm not sold in impeachment.

I wanna see Trump gone, but I don't know how much of thst is cuz of the recent investigation and how much of that is because I hate his opinions and his rudeness. And honestly, I think that most of what he's done so far can be explained by the fact that he's a stupid and greedy little shit, which isn't unique for a president. If Mueller decides he's directly guilty of collusion with Russia, Ill support impeachment, but I'll withhold my support until thst moment.

It really pains me to say that, cuz I miss not having him as President, but I have to be aware of my bias against him.

 

[Hanafuda]

"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

 

[Xzi]

"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

Not in this indictment, but you'd be a fool to think this is the end of the indictments. This is just the biggest mass drop of indictments so far, and it specifically contradicts Trump's claims that Russian efforts in the 2016 election weren't to help him.

Four Trump campaign officials had already been indicted by Mueller previously: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-white-house-20171202-story.html

And including those flipped I think we're up to like six by now.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Possibly unpopular opinion: I'm not sold in impeachment.

I wanna see Trump gone, but I don't know how much of thst is cuz of the recent investigation and how much of that is because I hate his opinions and his rudeness. And honestly, I think that most of what he's done so far can be explained by the fact that he's a stupid and greedy little shit, which isn't unique for a president. If Mueller decides he's directly guilty of collusion with Russia, Ill support impeachment, but I'll withhold my support until thst moment.

It really pains me to say that, cuz I miss not having him as President, but I have to be aware of my bias against him.

Even ignoring anything Russia related, him breaking the Emoluments Clause by keeping control of his hotels and businesses (and SPECIFICALLY hosting foreign leaders at a Trump hotel, at that) made him impeachable day one in office

 

[Xzi]

Even ignoring anything Russia related, him breaking the Emoluments Clause by keeping control of his hotels and businesses (and SPECIFICALLY hosting foreign leaders at a Trump hotel, at that) made him impeachable day one in office

Even ignoring all the actual laws he's broken, the bar for president used to be set higher than town drunk. Insulting veterans and gold star families definitely would have gotten any other president impeached, and that's the least of Trump's problematic mannerisms by now.