Hacking Luma3DS - Noob-proof 3DS Custom Firmware

[astronautlevel]

It's interesting that this thread has more debates and arguments than actual technical support and announcement of releases and features. I'd like to say that's Luma as a whole in any discussion avenue (apart from the Nintendo Homebrew Discord I assume?).

Aurora highly encouraged all technical support be moved to NH, so it makes sense that that's the outcome.

 

[Kazuma77]

Most of the rosalina haters don't really understand how it works, tbh. Most of the bugs were fixed in luma 8.1.

That's odd, because 8.1 broke two things that were working for me in 8.0. I had to recompile ctrQuake, and remove the launcher from ctrWolfen to get them working again. There's still 3 FPS conversions left. Two have CIAs. And I'll probably have to use them because they appear to be dead. elhobbs doesn't seem like the type to leave things unfinished though. He'll probably go back to Spectre3DS eventually.

Let them. I don't care.

I don't expect you to. Just seems like unnecessarily making the situation worse to me. But whatever.

It's interesting that this thread has more debates and arguments than actual technical support and announcement of releases and features. I'd like to say that's Luma as a whole in any discussion avenue (apart from the Nintendo Homebrew Discord I assume?).

Well, I wasn't trying to get in one. I was just hoping to get someone to send me a link to what I (admittedly should not have) missed. Then someone made the mistake of saying the c word -- copyright, and all bets were off. That should just not be allowed to be discussed in a forum. Because just like politics and religion, no good ever comes of it.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Rip Luma I guess.

How? Legacy isn't needed anymore. Most of the bugs were fixed in 8.1, and any remaining ones are being fixed.

 

[astronautlevel]

This is a bitch move. You can't say "We're removing it," and then basically threaten legal action against anybody who might have a copy of the build they're willing to share but didn't download the source code and no longer have access to it. That's bullshit.

What's bullshit is dealing with the baggage legacy is. Every time an issue pops up there's at least half a dozen people who say "USE LEGACY!!!" which, even if it does fix the problem (it doesn't since 8.1.1), makes actual debugging far harder and never get fixed. Having to maintain two very different codebases stifles additional progress. Whats bullshit is the amount of misinformation about legacy and Rosalina that's spread on this forum.

 

[Kazuma77]

How is it making the situation worse at all? Legacy is gone, people recommending it don't have an easy place to download it from, and we can finally make progress with Rosalina without having to worry about legacy.

I really, really, don't get this attitude towards copyright. Luma3DS isn't an idea, it's software, written through the labour of many developers. Of course they're going to want to protect their product with a license.

Keep telling yourself it's gone. Maybe it will make it true someday.

You want to know why I hate copyright? Simple. It stifles innovation instead of encouraging it as it was supposed to. You can't write anything anymore without owing royalties to someone. Sony can't even make a controller that vibrates. Look at what goes on at the patent office. A bunch of trolls with vague concepts waiting for someone to design something that resembles it so they can collect. Enough said.

 

[SomebodyElse]

What's bullshit is dealing with the baggage legacy is. Every time an issue pops up there's at least half a dozen people who say "USE LEGACY!!!" which, even if it does fix the problem (it doesn't since 8.1.1), makes actual debugging far harder and never get fixed. Having to maintain two very different codebases stifles additional progress. Whats bullshit is the amount of misinformation about legacy and Rosalina that's spread on this forum.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Keep telling yourself it's gone. Maybe it will make it true someday.

You want to know why I hate copyright? Simple. It stifles innovation instead of encouraging it as it was supposed to. You can't write anything anymore without owing royalties to someone. Sony can't even make a controller that vibrates. Look at what goes on at the patent office. A bunch of trolls with vague concepts waiting for someone to design something that resembles it so they can collect. Enough said.

Yep, making sure that your own software that you developed stays open like you intended stifles innovation.

 

[astronautlevel]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I'm not saying they do. Abandoning legacy and killing traces of it are the best way for the project to move forward.

Keep telling yourself it's gone. Maybe it will make it true someday.

You want to know why I hate copyright? Simple. It stifles innovation instead of encouraging it as it was supposed to. You can't write anything anymore without owing royalties to someone. Sony can't even make a controller that vibrates. Look at what goes on at the patent office. A bunch of trolls with vague concepts waiting for someone to design something that resembles it so they can collect. Enough said.

Are you seriously comparing luma to patent trolls? Really?

 

[Deleted member 414991]

You don't get to remove consumer choice. The EFF would, in fact, laugh in your face if you tried to argue that people are violating your license for distributing a build they have without the source code they don't have access to. You don't get to threaten legal action the way you did (And don't try to come back with some bullshit about it not being a threat. "Reminding" people something is illegal is a threat of legal action). Fuck you.

Just telling someone that something is illegal isn't a threat of legal action. If I tell someone that something is illegal, that doesn't mean I'm going to take them to court if they don't stop.

 

[astronautlevel]

The need for GPL is a side effect of having copyright laws. It's fighting fire with fire. It would not be necessary without conventional copyrights.

GPL would still exist without copyrights, as part of GPL is to ensure products are open source as are derivatives. Without GPL developers could make their products closed source even without copyright, and as such the GPL would still probably exist.

Only physical products have value. If you didn't stamp a disc and print a manual, there's no quantity limit. You've got infinite supply on a download. And if you took economics, you know that means the demand should be zero.

I'm sorry, that's some of the worst economics I've ever seen. I can't even think of a good response to the rest of your post because I'm dying of laughter right now.

 

[astronautlevel]

If it's not a threat, it's a comment without any teeth.

"This is a violation"

"Okay, what will you do if I upload it anyway?"

You have two options:
A) pursue legal action
B) not a god damned thing

If your response is A, it's a legal threat. If it's B, there was no fucking reason for you to say it in the first place.

Reminding someone something is illegal does have value, even if you don't intend to pursue action.

I'll also reiterate that it's not a violation. The license says distributors "must pass on to the recipients the same
freedoms that you received," so if they no longer have the freedom to obtain the source code, they don't have that freedom and are no longer obligated to pass that freedom on.

Taking an out-of-context quote does not an argument make.

You're just trying to side-eye threaten anybody who would distribute the binaries but are unable to distribute the source code because you removed the freedom for them to obtain it. Fuck you. You're a cunty fucking bitch just like seemingly every other 3DS homebrew developer and you've shown your true colors as a bad actor.

I've "shown my true colors" even though I have nothing to do with development of Luma outside of being friends with Aurora and running the build server? Okay.

I hope I get banned for this shit because I'm fucking fed up with all you motherfuckers taking your balls and going home because you can't handle ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

And yet here I am answering questions.

 

[Redferne]

PC devs are spying on you every time you load a game up. They're literally monitoring everything you do.

No they're not. They are monitoring the game. Anything happening outside of the game is not monitored. For most game it's not even in real time.

 

[Cuphat]

They deleted a branch from their repo. What's the big fucking deal? They can clean up their git repo of the trash branches that are no longer needed all they want.

You want legacy? Check literally anyone who forked Luma between July 10 and when it was deleted.

Oh, like me: https://github.com/Cuphat/Luma3DS/tree/legacy

 

[ihaveahax]

the official discontinuation of legacy basically means the luma devs don't need to provide support or maintain it anymore. if you want to keep using it and support it, you can do that, just not in this thread.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Let's see. I just asked if someone had a link. What I got were excuses and legal threats. Who's being crazy?



I actually noticed that a while ago, but given the way they practically acted like they would sue me if I distributed it, I wasn't about to mention it. Had AL responded as rationally as you have, this whole argument could have been avoided. He might have even convinced me to not redistribute it publicly.

You received no legal threats. You received explanations, not excuses. You were the one that started the argument.

 

[Billy Acuña]

You received no legal threats. You received explanations, not excuses. You were the one that started the argument.

Those are not arguments, just non-sence reasons.

 

[astronautlevel]

Those are not arguments, just non-sence reasons.

I'm sorry, what exactly was a nonsense reason?

Can you give a reason to keep legacy that isn't a nonsense reason? Not a single one of you legacy trolls have been able to do so.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

You don't start typing in legalese to make small talk. Frankly, I let AL's ivory tower attitude slide most of the time, just because he compiles the nightlies. But I have my limits.

Just because we pointed out that something was illegal doesn't make it a legal threat.

 

[Billy Acuña]

I'm sorry, what exactly was a nonsense reason?

Can you give a reason to keep legacy that isn't a nonsense reason? Not a single one of you legacy trolls have been able to do so.

Why in the world you want to remove a branch? I understand that you don't want to work on it but it does not hurt if it stays on the github repo, in fact, it could be useful for custom loaders (3ds_injector), the same thing goes for other entrypoints builds on the makefile.

Is not that I care about Luma's new way with Rosalina, after all, there is a fork with the legacy branch above and is not like Luma is the only working CFW/chainloader with b9s; we still have Cakes, ReiNand, the last build of Corbenik, BooCtr9 and CtrBootManager9, we don't need Luma's team shitty decitions, but don't be surprised if support on Luma (from users and other devs) decreaces.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Why in the world you want to remove a branch? I understand that you don't want to work on it but it does not hurt if it stays on the github repo, in fact, it could be useful for custom loaders (3ds_injector), the same thing goes for other entrypoints builds on the makefile.

Is not that I care about Luma's new way with Rosalina, after all, there is a fork with the legacy branch above and is not like Luma is the only working CFW/chainloader with b9s; we still have Cakes, ReiNand, the last build of Corbenik, BooCtr9 and CtrBootManager9, we don't need Luma's team shitty decitions, but don't be surprised if support on Luma (from users and other devs) decreaces.

It was removed because it was deprecated. There was no reason to keep it at all. And if you don't like luma's decisions, that's fine. Just don't call people fanboys and insult others because they don't agree with you.