Hacking Gateway support for Firmware 9.0 – 9.2 Coming

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My argument is: they didn't show nothing because they have nothing exclusive to show.
It's just a cart that plays games on 9.2
 

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Finalizing a product and showing no video demostration?

Yes. This statement above is still speculative. Just because they say they are finalizing things does not mean a video has to come along with it. Finalizing means finishing up, it does not mean finished.

Like I said there are heaps of reasons as to why there is no video. Just because one of these reasons is that 9.x support is limited does not mean it's the only explanation.

Once more. Any statement that you make that is not the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation is speculation.

My argument speculation is: they didn't show nothing because they have nothing exclusive to show.
It's just a cart that plays games on 9.2

Corrected it for you ;)

Just because someone doesn't show something it doesn't mean they have nothing to show. As unlikely as the following may sound, just because I can't physically see your brain, it does not mean you do not have one.

I'm not trying to say that what you're saying is impossible. I'm saying that at this point of time, it's meaningless.
 

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Yeah, but this is huge news. Just showing games running on the FW version itself would spread hype and lead to sales, so why not? I still hope they actually do have a kernel exploit for 9.x in store, however.
Unless for some reason they don't want to show it just yet...

Which could be anything from "Its not yet functional" to "We want to wait till after the New 3DS release" to "We don't want Nintendo to derive our solution and patch it out before its ready."
Or any variation there of.

In other words. We don't know what it is.
What we do know is that people are getting antsy.

Not just those on these boards. But also SKY3DS (which goes and claims that Gateway has found a way to downgrade 9.x back to 4.x) and Gateway themselves for even doing the announcement at all (whereas they as commented by others normally do so in an organized fashion with video backup).
 

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But also SKY3DS (which goes and claims that Gateway has found a way to downgrade 9.x back to 4.x)
Uh? SKY3DS said what?
Also since downgrading requires a kernel exploit, I don't really know why that would be even mentioned or attempted. (if someone already has kernel access, why even downgrade)
 
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People seem pretty sure It's a kernel exploit, why I have absolutely no idea. Sky 3DS doesn't use a kernel exploit. I think It's just wishful thinking. What we do know is they have a solution to play 3DS roms on the latest firmware as a bare minimum, which even a couple of weeks ago is a huge improvment. I personally believe they've had a solution for a while ( they said they have tricks up their sleeves when the N3DS was announced ) but Sky 3DS has unfortunately forced their hands.

Hopefully It's a kernel exploit, probably not. In closing - I couldn't care less. Off to play my 4.5 3DS - BEAST MODE.

Gateway is only going to offer support on 9.0-9.2, where Sky runs on lower firmwares. Because of this people are thinking it's a kernel exploit having something to do with themes.
 

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Gateway is only going to offer support on 9.0-9.2, where Sky runs on lower firmwares. Because of this people are thinking it's a kernel exploit having something to do with themes.

Not just this. But the reasoning is as follows. IF its a kernel exploit, it's likely to have something to do with themes since "support on 9.0-9.2".

It's a kernel exploit because of GW saying it's a software update and subsequently there are only two types of software update. With one type having two methods (one of which requires kernel access, the other which is extremely unlikely to have been set in place), the other type still requires a kernel update.

I've detailed it a few pages back.

Basically, it conclusively defines this new GW thing to be a kernel exploit unless the information provided in their announcement was false.
 

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Maybe GW have nothing and they just want everyone to update in hopes that Nintendo will block Sky3DS on the next firmware ;) SPECULATE
 
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People even if nintendo pushes out 9.3 chances are it won't matter..yes when nintendo released 5.0 they patched the kernel exploit gateway was using before gateway was even released but if I'm not mistaken that kernel exploit wasn't found by gateway and was documented on 3dbrew so thats how nintendo knew about it *i can be wrong tho*.

The exploit they're supposedly releasing this time would be an UNKNOWN kernel exploit (if thats what it is) they can release firmware 11.5 and it wouldn't matter since the exploit would still be there unless of course nintendo gets lucky and patches that same exploit (which would already be done if they knew about it).

What was documented was the entry point (DS profile exploit) and ironically that wasn't patched until 7.0.
 
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People even if nintendo pushes out 9.3 chances are it won't matter..yes when nintendo released 5.0 they patched the kernel exploit gateway was using before gateway was even released but if I'm not mistaken that kernel exploit wasn't found by gateway and was documented on 3dbrew so thats how nintendo knew about it *i can be wrong tho*.

The exploit they're supposedly releasing this time would be an UNKNOWN kernel exploit (if thats what it is) they can release firmware 11.5 and it wouldn't matter since the exploit would still be there unless of course nintendo gets lucky and patches that same exploit (which would already be done if they knew about it).

What was documented was the entry point (DS profile exploit) and ironically that wasn't patched until 7.0.
 

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Not just this. But the reasoning is as follows. IF its a kernel exploit, it's likely to have something to do with themes since "support on 9.0-9.2".

It's a kernel exploit because of GW saying it's a software update and subsequently there are only two types of software update. With one type having two methods (one of which requires kernel access, the other which is extremely unlikely to have been set in place), the other type still requires a kernel update.

I've detailed it a few pages back.

Basically, it conclusively defines this new GW thing to be a kernel exploit unless the information provided in their announcement was false.
seeing as you like playing Sherlock Holmes, here is what your basing your "deductive reasoning" on "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"

now im wondering how you have eliminated all other possible explanations? based on what gateway have said "the old cards will work on 9.x" no mention of how or why or if any extra steps will be involved.....so its perfectly feasible that they would need to be updated before they work.....at which point how do you conclude that the only way this could possible happen is on the 9.x console itself? there are possibilities that don't just = kernel exploit, they could have a usermode exploit like sspwn and update the FPGA like that, they could indeed want the FPGA's updated using a 4.x console( be it by the user or the reseller), its also a possibility they would sell a upgrade dongle so people can update the FPGA via pc, then there is the remote chance they are just trying to delay people buying sky3ds whilst they try find something fast.

none of those points have been eliminated, you have simply picked the one that sounds most likely(tbh i would say a usermode exploit would be more likely than a kernel exploit, so its more a matter of picking the one you like the sound of most)......which is simply deductive speculation
 
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