Hacking Gateway support for Firmware 9.0 – 9.2 Coming

[Danjal]

Its pretty safe to assume that they atleast believe they will have a functional 9.x version ready soon. (Going by their own notification.)
Though I agree that untill official confirmation goes out, it may not be entirely risk-free to just buy the Gateway just yet.

 

[KennyMckormick]

Here's what we know. GW says to stay on 9.0-9.20 and that it's a software update and not a hardware update (These are facts)

This means that either the FGPA needs an update OR it's just a simple launcher.dat update.

1) FGPA update can occur either via some inbuilt routine that is triggered by an image on the GW's microsd card but this is extremely unlikely and even close to impossible that it has been built in since the previous FGPA update was triggered by the launcher.dat. This logically means that it will have to be a FGPA update (if it really is as such) that is triggered by a new launcher.dat

2) Next up, to run a launcher.dat you will need kernel access especially since you require access to the cart slot. So this means that you need a kernel exploit to even update the FGPA on GW.

3) If a FGPA update is not required, this will mean it's a simple updated launcher.dat to be placed on the SD card. Once again, you will need a kernel exploit since GW's FGPA is unchanged and its functionality remaining the same.


To sum up, no matter how GW decides to "update their GW cart for 9.x" all methods require kernel access.

Conclusion. GW has found a new kernel exploit for 9.0-9.2

Source? Shelock Holmes in the form of deductive reasoning.

 

[piratesephiroth]

Here's what we know. GW says to stay on 9.0-9.20 and that it's a software update and not a hardware update (These are facts)

This means that either the FGPA needs an update OR it's just a simple launcher.dat update.

1) FGPA update can occur either via some inbuilt routine that is triggered by an image on the GW's microsd card but this is extremely unlikely and even close to impossible that it has been built in since the previous FGPA update was triggered by the launcher.dat. This logically means that it will have to be a FGPA update (if it really is as such) that is triggered by a new launcher.dat

2) Next up, to run a launcher.dat you will need kernel access especially since you require access to the cart slot. So this means that you need a kernel exploit to even update the FGPA on GW.

3) If a FGPA update is not required, this will mean it's a simple updated launcher.dat to be placed on the SD card. Once again, you will need a kernel exploit since GW's FGPA is unchanged and its functionality remaining the same.


To sum up, no matter how GW decides to "update their GW cart for 9.x" all methods require kernel access.

Conclusion. GW has found a new kernel exploit for 9.0-9.2

Source? Shelock Holmes in the form of deductive reasoning.

What if it requires an FPGA update and they release some sort of USB device to perform it or simply tell people to ask friends who have 4.5 3DS to do it for them?
The reseller could perform that update as well.

 

[gamesquest1]

Here's what we know. GW says to stay on 9.0-9.20 and that it's a software update and not a hardware update (These are facts)

This means that either the FGPA needs an update OR it's just a simple launcher.dat update.

1) FGPA update can occur either via some inbuilt routine that is triggered by an image on the GW's microsd card but this is extremely unlikely and even close to impossible that it has been built in since the previous FGPA update was triggered by the launcher.dat. This logically means that it will have to be a FGPA update (if it really is as such) that is triggered by a new launcher.dat

2) Next up, to run a launcher.dat you will need kernel access especially since you require access to the cart slot. So this means that you need a kernel exploit to even update the FGPA on GW.

3) If a FGPA update is not required, this will mean it's a simple updated launcher.dat to be placed on the SD card. Once again, you will need a kernel exploit since GW's FGPA is unchanged and its functionality remaining the same.


To sum up, no matter how GW decides to "update their GW cart for 9.x" all methods require kernel access.

Conclusion. GW has found a new kernel exploit for 9.0-9.2

Source? Shelock Holmes in the form of deductive reasoning.

or you can update via a usermode exploit(like ssspwn), or cards should be updated prior to posting (they only said the hardware was unchanged, not that they would work out the box without a update being ran), or the last FPGA update that came in the launcher.dat also updated it to read updates via the SD......etc etc,so much speculation

basically we can guess all we want,.......or we could just wait for the answers to be announced

 

[KennyMckormick]

What if it requires an FPGA update and they release some sort of USB device to perform it or simply tell people to ask friends who have 4.5 3DS to do it for them?

That would be baseless speculation. We know for a fact that GW says it's just a software update.

 

[Danjal]

What if it requires an FPGA update and they release some sort of USB device to perform it or simply tell people to ask friends who have 4.5 3DS to do it for them?

Right. They would rely on the fact that every single one of their users has a 'friend' with a 4.5 device. That makes sense... -_-;;;


Considering they specifically stated that the new solution works with the current hardware. That directly implies that you will not need any other hardware or tools.

 

[piratesephiroth]

Right. They would rely on the fact that every single one of their users has a 'friend' with a 4.5 device. That makes sense... -_-;;;

I edited the post and added that the reseller could do the update as well.

 

[KennyMckormick]

or you can update via a usermode exploit(like ssspwn), or cards should be updated prior to posting (they only said the hardware was unchanged, not that they would work out the box without a update being ran), or the last FPGA update that came in the launcher.dat also updated it to read updates via the SD......etc etc,so much speculation

basically we can guess all we want,.......or we could just wait for the answers to be announced

Yes all things considered, those are possibilities. I may be wrong but I don't believe usermode exploits have the level of access since by definition (usermode just allows you to do everything a game can do). Also, its unlikely that gw will think ahead so much to have updated the FPGA to read updates via SD, it's redundant since they already could do so with a launcher.dat.

There's buttloads of speculation but they are just speculation.

My deduction is based on what GW have said so far.

 

[Danjal]

I edited the post and added that the reseller could do the update as well.

Its highly improbable that they would rely on resellers to do their work for them.
Since this is guaranteed to result in batches of non-updated cards being shipped out to customers.

Its a recipe for disaster.
Not to mention it completely overlooks the people that already OWN a gateway card and are on 5.x+
That line of reasoning goes nowhere. Its not even in the slightest based on fact.

You may aswell argue that they'll send a special team of fairies out to do it through magic.
I'm pretty certain that Gateway would not rely on such unreliable methods.

Which leads to the conclusion that whatever solution they will utilize, its one that the owner of the Gateway card can do themselves.
Without the need of additional hardware they may not possess.

My deduction is based on what GW have said so far.

I'd say that your deduction seems possible, if not even probable.
Barring the fact that we don't know how SKY3DS has solved the problem.
Nor do we know what other solutions any of them have found.

The claims so far imply that SKY3DS doesn't use a kernel exploit.
Yet it still functions in running cards. Its plausible that Gateway uses a similar solution in their 9.x fix.
We just don't know untill they reveal it.


Which - by the claims of people being asked for testing the new method. May well be revealed soon enough.

 

[piratesephiroth]

Its highly improbable that they would rely on resellers to do their work for them.
Since this is guaranteed to result in batches of non-updated cards being shipped out to customers.

Its a recipe for disaster.
Not to mention it completely overlooks the people that already OWN a gateway card and are on 5.x+
That line of reasoning goes nowhere. Its not even in the slightest based on fact.

You may aswell argue that they'll send a special team of fairies out to do it through magic.
I'm pretty certain that Gateway would not rely on such unreliable methods.

Which leads to the conclusion that whatever solution they will utilize, its one that the owner of the Gateway card can do themselves.
Without the need of additional hardware they may not possess.

Sure, now how would a regular gateway red cart boot on a 9.2 3DS so it can be updated?
Probably the fairies will handle that.

 

[Danjal]

Sure, now how would a regular gateway red cart boot on a 9.2 3DS?
Probably the fairies will handle that.

We don't know how they solved that (or atleast claimed to have solved it through their claim that they have a functional solution for 9.x)
Which is the whole point.
We can guess, we can speculate, we can even deduce.
But we lack all the information to form a complete picture.

 

[Saxer]

Sure, now how would a regular gateway red cart boot on a 9.2 3DS?
Probably the fairies will handle that.

The SC-DS2 can update in firmwares it is blocked, just using the 3DS as a source of power.
Maybe Gateway can implement something like this?

 

[KennyMckormick]

Sure, now how would a regular gateway red cart boot on a 9.2 3DS so it can be updated?
Probably the fairies will handle that.

Which is why the only explanation left is that there's a new kernel exploit.

http://gbatemp.net/threads/gateway-support-for-firmware-9-0-–-9-2-coming.374145/page-47#post-5164373

Read that and try to find any flaws in my deductive reasoning. Don't speculate about flying fairies and other shizz.

 

[Kenneth196]

This thread is pretty entertaining... but a lot of solid points are being made. Can't wait to see what GW has in store with the update.

 

[Danjal]

It seems obvious that we all believe (or want to believe) that Gateway has a solution ready.
And you may even say that they should have something ready because claiming that they have when they do not would only ruin their own credibility.

Yet when it comes to it. All we have is their word. We simply don't have any concrete proof either way untill that is revealed.
(Which I for one hope is somewhere in the coming 24 hours, but I suspect that everyone is timing their releases around the 21st)


TL;DR - We don't know IF they have a solution.
We don't know what that solution would be.
We don't know how that solution would be implemented.

We do know they claim its for 9.0~9.2 (which specifically excludes 5.x~8.x)
We know they claim it doesn't need any additional hardware.
We know they recommended 4.x users to stay on 4.x (which can either imply it may take a while before they're ready to release, or that the new solution has less features, or simply "If its not broken, don't fix it.")

 

[piratesephiroth]

Also we can be pretty sure it won't have emunand and all the stuff because of them telling people to stay on 4.5, and not stay on 4.5 until we release the update.

It's definitely gonna be an alternative solution exclusive for fw 9.2.

 

[Danjal]

Also we can be pretty sure it won't have emunand and all the stuff because of them telling people to stay on 4.5, and not stay on 4.5 until we release the update.

It's definitely gonna be an alternative solution exclusive for fw 9.2.

Again, conjecture. You know they said that - you don't know their reasoning.
Maybe they meant "stay on 4.x untill we release the update" - we just don't know.

I agree that it seems highly likely that they have found a new or different solution.
Since the old one got patched. But we have no way of knowing what this solution entails or what its limits are at this point in time.

 

[Vengenceonu]

Also we can be pretty sure it won't have emunand and all the stuff because of them telling people to stay on 4.5, and not stay on 4.5 until we release the update.

It's definitely gonna be an alternative solution exclusive for fw 9.2.

... or it has no use for emunand at this very moment because it already is at the latest version.

 

[KennyMckormick]

Also we can be pretty sure it won't have emunand and all the stuff because of them telling people to stay on 4.5, and not stay on 4.5 until we release the update.

It's definitely gonna be an alternative solution exclusive for fw 9.2.

FFS. Stop with the speculation. You simply can't make shit up just because GW told people to stay on 4.5. They could have been drunk, someone hacked their site. Etc etc, all meaningless trifle.

http://gbatemp.net/threads/gateway-support-for-firmware-9-0-–-9-2-coming.374145/page-47#post-5164373

In case you're unaware of what the word deduction means: It means that a conclusion arising from a set of premises must be true if the premises are true.

This means that based on my series of deduction, GW has to have a 9.x exploit meaning that it will have all the features that 4.x GW has. The only reason that this will be proven false is if GW falsely misled people that it's just a software update and not hardware update.

... or it has no use for emunand at this very moment because it already is at the latest version.

I'm a strong advocate for emunand since it's the only means of future proofing the system.

 

[piratesephiroth]

FFS. Stop with the speculation. You simply can't make shit up just because GW told people to stay on 4.5. They could have been drunk, someone hacked their site. Etc etc, all meaningless trifle.

http://gbatemp.net/threads/gateway-support-for-firmware-9-0-–-9-2-coming.374145/page-47#post-5164373

In case you're unaware of what the word deduction means: It means that a conclusion arising from a set of premises must be true if the premises are true.

This means that based on my series of deduction, GW has to have a 9.x exploit meaning that it will have all the features that 4.x GW has. The only reason that this will be proven false is if GW falsely misled people that it's just a software update and not hardware update.



I'm a strong advocate for emunand since it's the only means of future proofing the system.

My quoted post on your reply clearly states that they're misleading nobody. They never said it will have the same features... they tell people on 4.5 to stay on 4.5 exactly for that reason.

"...then you WILL be able to use it with Gateway 3DS!" this is what's written there.