Gaming Is the Wii U really dead? Or...

[Bobbybangin]

Now that's a funny joke. I know the standard is usually to whip dicks out and fap the second good Wii U sales news pops up (if 100k is anything to fap over in the first place mind you), but this statement is laughable. Vita sales have been back up and going strong since the release of the PS4, and it's well alive and good in most areas of the world. You are right in Asserting that it fares well in japan though. In fact. Considering Japan is Nintendo's home base and market, it doesn't look like they're touching base very well there either considering The vita is outselling the Wii U AND the 3DS there. http://www.playstationlifestyle.net...dark-souls-2-debuts-big-ps4-ps-vita-both-drop
How sad. And I thought my Vita was on the verge of death And my Wii U was gonna get playtime. Unfortunately it's hard to play The Wii U when it's still lacking Games, and the Vita is continually accumulating content.

You find it laughable that I use factual numbers to back my statement? Then you talk about masterbasting over it and laughing? I'm confused. Here I'll show you what I'm talking about, so you understand better. The Wii U outsold the Vita in the US 17,190 to 5,448, the The Vita barely outsold the Wii U in Europe at 9,481 to 9,154. Now, the big disparaging number is the fact that the Vita outsold the Wii U in Japan 29,601 to 7,524. It looks to me like the Vita is overall doing bad almost 2/1 else while Japan is the only one that's really showing strong support for the Vita. The Wii U and Vita were neck to neck in Europe. If we are to be told that the Wii is doing bad in Europe at virtually the same numbers as the "successful" Vita , that will leave a lot of people scratching their heads at that reason. As far as your other statement that the Vita is outselling the 3DS there, well that's just wrong too. The Vita sold 29,601 units to the 3DS's 32,001. Those most recent released sales numbers for the week ending March 8th, aren't my personal opinions. They're just fact. Although, I'm sure there will be a reply of bashing dispute to just to try to discredit the facts in favor of trying to win over an expressed opinion. Wait for it...

 

[mightymuffy]

The Wii U outsold the Vita in the US 17,190 to 5,448, the The Vita barely outsold the Wii U in Europe at 9,481 to 9,154. Now, the big disparaging number is the fact that the Vita outsold the Wii U in Japan 29,601 to 7,524.

- 7,000...5,000... not exactly talking massive numbers here are we laddie - it's like seeing a 300lb whale waddling out of Slimming World (or whatever you call them over there) with a big smile on her face screaming 'I lost a pound!!' Big whoop missus, but you're still a fukkin barge!
And why's the Vita in the conversation in the first place? Pretty sure the title says "is the wii u really dead" and not "are the vita and wii u really dead"?? I'm a big fan of my Wii U too, but 'bangin' ( *blushes, I'll let myself out....* ) on about pitiful sales figures like that isn't gonna work - the only figure of note up there is Vita's 30k in Japan, anything less than, ooh, 20000 isn't worth talking about

 

[Bobbybangin]

And why's the Vita in the conversation in the first place? Pretty sure the title says "is the wii u really dead" and not "are the vita and wii u really dead"??

Because I was using as a comparison and because I generally do what I want without regard to the opinions of others. I know this is a touchy subject here, but it's just that I was never good at treading lightly. I'm really not intending to offend the sensibilities of the NintenDoom rable. Just thought I would make some points. I guess the points of fact are apparently subjective towards ones bias or opinion on the matter.

 

[Foxi4]

Are we really going to take weekly sales estimates without a pinch of salt?

Now, I'd like to underline than any and all Wii U/PSVita sales threads, or in fact any sales threads always end up with catastrophies, so hey. This is a thread about the Wii U - post your thoughts about the Wii U. Don't compare apples and oranges.

 

[emigre]

No but Nintendo really fucked up with this system.

 

[Bobbybangin]

Are we really going to take weekly sales estimates without a pinch of salt?

Now, I'd like to underline than any and all Wii U/PSVita sales threads, or in fact any sales threads always end up with catastrophies, so hey. This is a thread about the Wii U - post your thoughts about the Wii U. Don't compare apples and oranges.

I did post my thoughts on the Wii U. I just used examples to make my point. It's not just weekly sales estimates I'm taking into consideration. Sales have been trending or the Wii U like this since around November. Again, I do what I want. Even Especially if you find it disconcerting.

 

[JoostinOnline]

No but Nintendo really fucked up with this system.

More with the marketing than the system itself. The Wii and PS2 are examples of how weaker systems can thrive.

They sent very mixed marketing with this. There advertisements (and I've yet to see one on TV) all showed Wii peripherals, and they chose "Wii U" for the name, leading the majority of people to believe the Gamepad was just a Wii accessory. They also had a weak lineup. They also sent very mixed messages on who the console was targeted to. I bought mine because they had advertised that they were going to focus on the core gamer, but then they put all their resources towards games like platformers.

 

[osirisjem]

More with the marketing than the system itself.

5% marketing problem. 95% Wii U.

The marketing problem is ..... that it is hard to market a crappy console.

Pretending that a marketing push or a few good games is going to help the Wii U is pure fantasy.

 

[Ray Lewis]

Your opinion. Some like the Wii U. Tropical Freeze, 3d world, Windwaker HD, and my son has Infinity thanks to his momma, lol. My kids love the off tv gaming. Anyone I show it to is amazed. I have no regrets. I want Mario Kart 8, and hope for Zelda and Metroid. A bad ass Prime version would be great. I am likely to build a new pc soon. My dual core 4 gig, 6 year old system is...old. Then I can get anything else I am missing. If PS4 were hacked then I'd get one. A PS4 and Wii U has it all covered.

Wii U has sold more and as better hammes get released it tends to sell mote:-) Parents want the most bang for their $ and 3ds owns that market. Wii U is almost in competition for the same age group as the 3ds (consider this). I may get a 3ds for my son. I considered a cart for me but limits with firmware and other bullshit devs won't release shut that dream down for me. Wii U is not dead, and it is on life support with "improving vitals."

 

[osirisjem]

Your opinion. Some like the Wii U.

Some like Justin Bieber.

Wii U is not dead, and it is on life support

Wait. Be quiet. Can you hear that ?
That's the death rattle.
Time for the morphine.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Hi there! I would like to start a discussion about the possible future of Nintendo's current console.

Many say it's meh, others say it's doomed due to the sales.
But in my opinion, it's only at its beginning.

Do not forget that the console still has many First party strong titles to be seen.
Like a true 3D Mario in the style of Galaxy, two upcoming Zelda titles and what I think will be the biggest sales booster of the console...
Super Smash Bros.

Although I don't like Smash Bros enough to buy it, I know most people will buy a Wii U for that game.

What do you think? Will the Wii U perish or is there a light at the middle of the life cycle?
Let us know!

Super Mario 3D World wasn't 3D enough for you? It's pretty similar to Galaxy minus all the flying around and funny gravity. It sounds like you want another game exactly like Galaxy, I wouldn't expect that to happen.

I think all the naysayers need to go find something better to do. Nintendo has never failed since the Virtual Boy, and that failed because of bad design, not because of anything else. There's nothing wrong with the Wii U's design, and there are great games coming out for it soon, and several great games already out, as well as more in the works that we don't know about, so I can't imagine it failing. It might end up being one of their worst selling consoles when it reaches the end of its life, that doesn't neccessarily mean it was a failure.

This topic will surely end well.

It's something of a Johnny Got His Gun situation. The Wii U certainly isn't dead, but it's not exactly living either. It'll get a steady trickle of support and the heart will keep on beating, but most onlookers will wish that it could just be put out of its misery already.

And then Metallica will make a really rocking song about it, or something, so it's not all bad.

...Undead?

 

[Foxi4]

Again, I do what I want. Even Especially if you find it disconcerting.

Of course. At your own peril.

As for Joostin's point about how weaker systems thrive, the difference here is that the PS2 was powerful enough to support multiplatform titles and it had a head start during which it dominated the market while the Wii was a budget system with the charm of motion controls, making it the most desirable and best-selling dust collector. The Wii U did none of those things - it's significantly weaker, the head start was wasted because instead of releasing a waterfall of games Nintendo was farting into their chairs, the system is not affordable due to the expensive gameplay and it has the charm of a tablet that only works when you're up to 26 feet from the console... So no, the two cases you bring up are different.

 

[ShadowOne333]

Super Mario 3D World wasn't 3D enough for you? It's pretty similar to Galaxy minus all the flying around and funny gravity. It sounds like you want another game exactly like Galaxy, I wouldn't expect that to happen.

I think all the naysayers need to go find something better to do. Nintendo has never failed since the Virtual Boy, and that failed because of bad design, not because of anything else. There's nothing wrong with the Wii U's design, and there are great games coming out for it soon, and several great games already out, as well as more in the works that we don't know about, so I can't imagine it failing. It might end up being one of their worst selling consoles when it reaches the end of its life, that doesn't neccessarily mean it was a failure.


...Undead?

What I meant by complete 3D was something that has not been already created for the 3DS.
If we compare, Nintendo basically just grabbed Super Mario 3D Land and modded it with new stages and more characters.

 

[JoostinOnline]

5% marketing problem. 95% Wii U.

The marketing problem is ..... that it is hard to market a crappy console.

Pretending that a marketing push or a few good games is going to help the Wii U is pure fantasy.

It's not a crappy console though.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

What I meant by complete 3D was something that has not been already created for the 3DS.
If we compare, Nintendo basically just grabbed Super Mario 3D Land and modded it with new stages and more characters.

Super Mario 3D World seems like a lot more complex title than Super Mario 3D Land. If anything, 4-player co-op would have made it a worth title but it seems they put lots of content into this game which is something that Super Mario 3D Land lacked, since it was a relatively short game.

I see your point... But I must ask, would it be any better if they made a Super Mario Galaxy or a Super Mario Sunshine "modded with new stages"? I don't see anything bad with they making a sequence for a game that appeared in the 3DS if it's a good game. SM3W is the game that makes me want a Wii U and one of the reasons is because I loved SM3L and SM3W just look so much better in every way. Too bad I don't have money for a Wii U...

 

[Foxi4]

It's not a crappy console though.

Depends on the way you look at it. It's not even a matter of specs, rather a matter of hardware obsoleteness at this point. The CPU family Nintendo continues to keep on life support has been deemed dead by IBM themselves, the company puts its assets into a sinking ship that no longer satifies the needs of contemporary developers and when the CPU turned out to be unable to perform some functionality deemed core in this day and age, they just added an additional ARM core to make up for it and promoted GPGPU which can only help you so much since it puts additional strain on the already low-end graphics chip. This isn't the 90'ies anymore when you could just add co-processors and hope to God that somebody's going to use them - they're not doing anyone any favours by following this roadmap. The past has to go, they simply have to upgrade, not to mention that they need to get out of their comfort zone, stop thinking solely about their own developers and get interested in what happens in the world of technology around them.

I believe in God, and I have a good reason too. But this isn't the place to go into it.

Btw, your signature is wrong. Generations are a matter of dates, and nothing more. The PS4, Wii U, and X1 are all 8th gen consoles. Next-gen is 9th generation, which we probably won't see for 6+ years.

I gradually stop paying attention to him, and so should you - his PC MASTER RACE agenda is increasingly transparent. As for his statement about religion, what other people believe in is none of Wii_Cube's beeswax and has nothing to do with consoles.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

This isn't the 90'ies anymore when you could just add co-processors and hope to God that somebody's going to use them

You mean like the Saturn?

 

[JoostinOnline]

Depends on the way you look at it. It's not even a matter of specs, rather a matter of hardware obsoleteness at this point.

It has good and bad points. Plenty of both actually. Calling it a crappy console would suggest it has nothing going for it. It's cheaper, has backwards compatibility, doesn't require devs to learn a completely new type of Assembly language, adds an interesting type of gameplay, it's portable (it's possible to power it from a cigarette lighter), and is capable of smooth 1080p graphics as long as you cater to its admittedly unbalanced specs.

There are plenty of bad points to it, most notably the aforementioned unbalanced specs which make ports especially difficult, and if you're a graphics whore who cares more about appearances than gameplay itself, then you won't enjoy most of the games.

My point is, that it's very unfair to call it a "crappy" console just because it isn't appealing to you. There's nothing wrong with not liking the Wii U, it's not for everyone.

 

[Foxi4]

You mean like the Saturn?

I think "like the Jaguar". The core of the system was two CPU's, two GPU's, the rest was peripheral co-processors for sound, CD-ROM control and other indispensible hardware. I do agree with what you mean though, development for the Saturn was convoluted and that's exactly what Nintendo's gradually doing to their systems, and it's not a good thing to do when all programmers want is to abstract from the hardware and reap all of its benefits without having to delve into the knick-knacks.

It has good and bad points. Plenty of both actually. Calling it a crappy console would suggest it has nothing going for it. It's cheaper, has backwards compatibility, doesn't require devs to learn a completely new type of Assembly language, adds an interesting type of gameplay, it's portable (it's possible to power it from a cigarette lighter), and is capable of smooth 1080p graphics as long as you cater to its admittedly unbalanced specs.

There are plenty of bad points to it, most notably the aforementioned unbalanced specs which make ports especially difficult, and if you're a graphics whore who cares more about appearances than gameplay itself, then you won't enjoy most of the games.

My point is, that it's very unfair to call it a "crappy" console just because it isn't appealing to you. There's nothing wrong with not liking the Wii U, it's not for everyone.

I like the concept behind the Wii U, but I don't think it has been executed correctly. Honestly, if Nintendo was going to go for something like this, they should've left it at bay for the next generation of portables during which they would release the "Wii U" with a basic controller to keep the price tag low and a capable handheld console which would have the built-in function of doubling as the Wii U gamepad, but that's just my take.

You have to stop treating backwards compatibility as a benefit because it's the fixation on backwards compatibility that got Nintendo into this mess in the first place when everybody else let go of their inhibitions and moved on. Backwards compatibility can take you through a rough launch and an initial software drought, but you know what's better? A good launch with a good console for which software can be released at a timely fashion and without having to perform mental gymnastics.

It's less expensive than the PS4 and the XBox One, sure, but not by a huge margin because of the gamepad and due to its hardware being a minor step up from the previous generation, the concurrently sold PS3 and Xbox 360 continue to be better choices due to their established libraries of games. Nobody's queuing up to pay a bargain price for a console that doesn't have games or the prospect of getting games in the future.

It's great that it doesn't require developers to learn a brand-new Assembly, but developers don't want to learn Assembly at all. The trend is to abstract from the hardware - they want the SDK to be as close to the metal as possible to get performance, but at the same time they want to use standardized functions, not microcode. Again, times are changing and so should Nintendo's approach towards development on their systems.

It's great that it does 1080p, so does my phone. Catering to unbalanced specs is one thing, catering to underpowered hardware is another entirely. Just because it has a display mode allowing for a high resolution doesn't necessarily mean that it's capable of delivering graphics that are on par with other next generation systems. The Xbox One and the PS4 struggle in reaching 1080p in their games, but there are good reasons for it - those games are several times more advanced than earlier.

This is not a matter of graphics whoring - again, this is a matter of hardware obsoleteness, and the fact that it can be powered by a cigarette lighter port impresses no one when there's very little to actually play on the system, power efficiency means nothing when you can't use it. There's this weird assumption going around that you can't enjoy good graphics and good gameplay at the same time - it's either one or the other. It's not - you should have the option to have both and enjoy both.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

What I meant by complete 3D was something that has not been already created for the 3DS.
If we compare, Nintendo basically just grabbed Super Mario 3D Land and modded it with new stages and more characters.

Super Mario 3D World is worlds better than Land. The stages are a lot more creative and varied, as well as some new mechanics that make for really interesting gameplay. That's just an opinion, but I think it's one most people who have played (and beat) both share.
Have you actually played both?