Hacking Can Nintendo ban gateway users?

[McHaggis]

Well, would be better to call it the wireless switch, so people don't get confused and ask "why do i need internet to use local play". If you want to maintain local play w/ a Gateway, it's best to delete all internet connection settings and disable Spotpass (so it won't automatically connect to open networks).

Before someone says "Wi-Fi stands for wireless", it doesn't -- it stands for nothing, actually.

The Wi-Fi Alliance, the organization that owns the Wi-Fi (registered trademark) term specifically defines Wi-Fi as any "wireless local area network (WLAN) products that are based on the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers' (IEEE) 802.11 standards."

Products that are based on IEEE 802.11 includes the 3DS and how it communicates wirelessly, including StreetPass and local play, so "Wi-Fi switch" is perfectly apt. I do believe Nintendo refer to it as "wireless switch", though.

/pedantry

 

[PROTOBOY]

for good they cant know who use or not flashcards.

 

[justinkb]

Products that are based on IEEE 802.11 includes the 3DS and how it communicates wirelessly, including StreetPass and local play, so "Wi-Fi switch" is perfectly apt. I do believe Nintendo refer to it as "wireless switch", though.

/pedantry

100% correct.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

If you update your console, every bit of modding that Gateway's done to the firmware will be changed to stock. No idea why you'd update, but even if you did, they won't be able to ban the console.

And no, they can't ban you on 4.5, if you have the WiFi switch off. It's simply not possible. If you have the WiFi on, maybe, but even then, it's unlikely.

Take it from someone who knows about things c;

Well, the gateway's mods to the firmware are temporary. The Launcher.dat file is still on the SD card though, and the DS profile name exploit probably won't be removed by an update. An update could potentially use those to detect previous usage of the Gateway. They're unlikely to ban you just based on that though, but if the Gateway is updated to work on newer firmware they could potentially release an update to detect the modification to the firmware when GW mode is launched, and this would not be spotted by anyone until it's too late.

 

[DinohScene]

Personally, I hope they do.

When we reach a point where cheats are being created for games then you can basically say bye bye to fair play on Ninty's servers.
Mariokart Wii says Hi.

 

[Quicksilver88]

My honest opinion...

Gateway is a no buy... unless you really want to run pirate games...

• No homebrew support
• No online play
• Possibility to get banned
• not compatible with higher firmwares
• no idea if will ever be compatible with higher firmwares
• no gui

Well.. the only positive is that it runs commercial games...


And yes nintendo will ban everyone if they want to... they never did until today, however... if they want to they can.

Man that is so narrow minded

They have already delivered region and version spoofing allowing you to run games from any region on and console....to many that is a huge plus. The version spoofing is allowing the newly released ML Dream team to run and will likely allow any other 5.x/6.x game to run as Nintendo will have to do something it v7 of their firmware to overcome the spoofing.

They claim they are working on a fix for AC which I am sure is a priority because Nand saving is likely going to be used in pokemon to try to prevent gateway and save game hacking. The also said they fully intend to deliver homebrew and considering two guys in a few weeks time using the gateway exploit delivered a homebrew proof of concept I think we can believe if they stick around they will do it, if not someone else will. They have also claimed they are working on a multirom gui which they will likely deliver before homebrew as that would be a single homebrew.

Look gateway deserves a little credit here as I remember a month or so ago people were saying it was bogus and was a crown 3DS, then they said they will never work out a smooth save game method (which they did), then they said they would never work out region/version spoofing (which they did). So right now I think they have more credibility than you do!

Also you are not going to get banned because there are no online features in gateway....it is for now an offline only feature....like others have said if you want online/eshop/firmware updates then you should own two units (which is what I do and have done with the x360 and ps3 as well). Of you have a 4.5 or lower unit then the gateway is a decent product albiet its only intended use right now is piracy I think if the company sells enough units they will be around long enough to give us more.

 

[Queno138]

Personally, I hope they do.

When we reach a point where cheats are being created for games then you can basically say bye bye to fair play on Ninty's servers.
Mariokart Wii says Hi.

Blocking cheaters and blocking all flashcart users are quite different.

If an AR-3DS was made to work, cheaters can be non-flashcart users as well.

And presently, GW3DS doesn't have cheating software.

It depends on their priorities.
If they block users who uses flashcarts, these users will probably never buy retail carts (if their device can't be unblocked)

Look gateway deserves a little credit here as I remember a month or so ago people were saying it was bogus and was a crown 3DS, then they said they will never work out a smooth save game method (which they did), then they said they would never work out region/version spoofing (which they did). So right now I think they have more credibility than you do!

Agreed.

like others have said if you want online/eshop/firmware updates then you should own two units

I'll like to add that if the user is pro enough, the user can also dump their nand,
upgrade to newest update, download the e-shop game, downgrade back to 4.5.
But risky because any bad dumps will brick the device.

 

[Quicksilver88]

Really? I'm enthusiastic about the gateway but Nintendo will probably take major precautions for Zelda and Pokemon making 100 % sure they wont be playable or else they would lose millions

Dude they are not going to lose in the millions...my god gateway probably hasn't even sold 10K units yet and that is against a 3DS user base of 30mil+ units. Nintendo may not have time to implement much by the time pokemon, mario golf come out which is next month. With cartridges things have to go to manufacturing a lot sooner than say with discs or eshop publishing so their is a lead time of months. Thats why games that came out thru july still had 4.5 on them when that firmware was from Dec 2012.

I am guessing the easist thing for them to do is use nand saving like they did with AC as that is already implemented and gateway currently hasn't cracked that nut. Still as others have said gateway has full kernel access on 4.5 units and that means a lot is possible. The problem right now is only gateway is working on this stuff and their team likely isn't that big so they can only do so much so fast, the sooner we get to other teams commercial or public working on things the better as then more resources will be working on varous problems......major releases like pokemon always get more attention so don't be suprised if gateway 'leaks' a custom image thru some scene group....this has happened before when supercard leaked a special version of Zelda Spirit tracks that could run on their slot 2 card when their general patcher couldn't do it....I have seen it other times as well....the bigger the title the more likely someone gets it working.

 

[Quicksilver88]

Also all this banning talk in nonsense and here is why....in gateway mode you can't use the wifi for online games......the gateway is using two hacks..the DS mode hacks which are both non-persistent. You nock the gateway launcher 3DS hack out by power cycling....if you go into DS mode you knock out the DS buffer overflow exploit....if you are really paranoid just do that before going online and you are not going to be detected because your system is not modified in any detectable way.

Now to the whole banning thing......the only company that has really banned people with joy and in mass is M$......My theories on this are multiple buy a key one is that I think because M$ was charging for live they had a hard time letting people play 3rd party pirated games on XBL will nilly....becauese M$ is making money off your XBL subscription while the 3rd parties get pirates and make nothing off the games.....so they had to ban to keep the 3rd parties happy. I hear random things of people getting banned from PSN for using CFW but it is rare and not fully varifiable why...I myself have used PSN with CFW PS3 both with 3.55 and spoofers and with newer v4.x CFW and never gotten banned. I actually created a second account because I have purcahsed a lot of shit on my primary account for psp/vita/ps3 and don't want to lose my purchases if I ever get a CFW machine banned....still most people think those that have been banned have been done so for either trying to play pre-releases online or using CFW to game cheat...those have been verified reasons.

Nintendo has never verifiably banned anyone for anything on DS or Wii.....all the rumors were always debunked and I have used modded systems online their entire life cycles and never been banned. Banning is sort of extreme because even though someone may system mod or even pirate, they are still your customer and still likely to buy something from you and if you ban their system now they can't buy content thru your eshop. I am a great example...I could be called an evil fucking pirate because I like to mod everything in site, but I buy a shit load of content from PSN/XBL/NeShop...so why cut me off by pissing on me as a customer.

So please people stop with the damned ban paranoia unless you are an X360 user and even then if you know your Ps and Qs you can use a DVD modified system online and not get banned (as I have had one online since 2009 without any issue).

 

[rg]

Man that is so narrow minded

They have already delivered region and version spoofing allowing you to run games from any region on and console....to many that is a huge plus. The version spoofing is allowing the newly released ML Dream team to run and will likely allow any other 5.x/6.x game to run as Nintendo will have to do something it v7 of their firmware to overcome the spoofing.

They claim they are working on a fix for AC which I am sure is a priority because Nand saving is likely going to be used in pokemon to try to prevent gateway and save game hacking. The also said they fully intend to deliver homebrew and considering two guys in a few weeks time using the gateway exploit delivered a homebrew proof of concept I think we can believe if they stick around they will do it, if not someone else will. They have also claimed they are working on a multirom gui which they will likely deliver before homebrew as that would be a single homebrew.

Look gateway deserves a little credit here as I remember a month or so ago people were saying it was bogus and was a crown 3DS, then they said they will never work out a smooth save game method (which they did), then they said they would never work out region/version spoofing (which they did). So right now I think they have more credibility than you do!

Also you are not going to get banned because there are no online features in gateway....it is for now an offline only feature....like others have said if you want online/eshop/firmware updates then you should own two units (which is what I do and have done with the x360 and ps3 as well). Of you have a 4.5 or lower unit then the gateway is a decent product albiet its only intended use right now is piracy I think if the company sells enough units they will be around long enough to give us more.

You took my post to personal

First to clarify:

1. I never said they don't deserve any credit
2. When they have all the features then I might buy one. but at the moment they don't.
3. Out of region games is a plus (I did forget to mention this one).

but still

1. it is likely that a Free hack / cheaper solution is released in a near future
2. If i could have 2 systems of each I would not need a gateway I could buy my own games... (at the moment it does not offer anything else then piracy).
3. Even if it has homebrew it will always be better (imo) to wait for a free solution then to spend 300€ on a 2 system.
4. regarding online usage, the fact is it using the gateway prevents you from using features

Just to be clear:
I'm not saying it's not progress in terms of hacking a previously unhacked system! it is and they need to be credited for provinding us with a "way in".
But the GW is not a good buy (at the time of writting) unless you want piracy and really don't care about any other feature of your 3DS.

 

[tjexp]

I'll like to add that if the user is pro enough, the user can also dump their nand,
upgrade to newest update, download the e-shop game, downgrade back to 4.5.
But risky because any bad dumps will brick the device.

Wouldn't this delete the downloaded data when you downgrade?

 

[Queno138]

Wouldn't this delete the downloaded data when you downgrade?

hmm, I know that eshop games are actually stored on the sd card (if you delete it from the sd card, it disappears from the menu),
But there is a possibility that certain information, in speculative nature, title headers or play counts left (demos) might be stored in the nand.

With those parameters, your statement will be right ><

 

[Skelletonike]

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Nintendo does have a right to ban you from using the online services, you own the system but you don't own the online service, even more since it's a free thing.

As for the Animal Crossing save fix, even if they manage to get a way around it, Nintendo will probably have something up their sleeves for Zelda and for Pokemon, especially Pokemon. Nintendo as a company isn't dumb, the previous Pokemon games usually had anti-piracy measures, the same might be expected on this one, although it'll probably be something to do with the game firmware, that even spoofing wouldn't fix.

 

[Devin]

When I think of banning on the 3DS, I'm thinking more like server bans. Nintendo doesn't have a system set in place as of yet. (Upcoming MiiVerse update.) So I'd imagine that servers would ban you, rather than a console ban overall. Like in Mario Kart on the Wii, if you cheated they could ban you from the server. However you can still go online in other games. This is what I believe would happen on the 3DS, until a universe online service is made.

 

[mkdms14]

This is not Microsoft that could ban you this is Nintendo a company with some good ideas alot of bad ideas and poor implementing methods.

 

[Skelletonike]

When I think of banning on the 3DS, I'm thinking more like server bans. Nintendo doesn't have a system set in place as of yet. (Upcoming MiiVerse update.) So I'd imagine that servers would ban you, rather than a console ban overall. Like in Mario Kart on the Wii, if you cheated they could ban you from the server. However you can still go online in other games. This is what I believe would happen on the 3DS, until a universe online service is made.

I was thinking more on the line of getting completely banned from the eshop and other online services, from what I recall, you need to put in your nintendo account when connecting to the eshop the first time, so they could ban that account tied to the system entirely.

 

[Devin]

If you're on 4.5 you don't have access to the eShop anyway? Also here in the US linking your Nintendo account to the eShop is completely optional. You don't have to input anything but your zip code. (For taxes.)

The only way I think they'd be able to tell you've got a GW3DS is;

Implementing some kind of check that the GW3DS doesn't pass.
They check for the installed GW3DS DS mode exploit.
They check the users software history application and see games from another region.

 

[Quicksilver88]

Nintendo does have a right to ban you from using the online services, you own the system but you don't own the online service, even more since it's a free thing.

As for the Animal Crossing save fix, even if they manage to get a way around it, Nintendo will probably have something up their sleeves for Zelda and for Pokemon, especially Pokemon. Nintendo as a company isn't dumb, the previous Pokemon games usually had anti-piracy measures, the same might be expected on this one, although it'll probably be something to do with the game firmware, that even spoofing wouldn't fix.

I was not saying that they do or don't have a right to ban you....if the put it in the ULA that they can ban you for system modifying or save game cheating then obviously they can ban you....I was just say historically only M$ has done mass banning and their is a delicate dance in that banning isn't going to win you any friends with your consumer base.....just because people modify or cheat doesn't mean they don't/won't buy your products so it is not as straight forward as the ban-parniod make it out to be.

 

[dehry]

If you're on 4.5 you don't have access to the eShop anyway? Also here in the US linking your Nintendo account to the eShop is completely optional. You don't have to input anything but your zip code. (For taxes.)

The only way I think they'd be able to tell you've got a GW3DS is;

Implementing some kind of check that the GW3DS doesn't pass.
They check for the installed GW3DS DS mode exploit.
They check the users software history application and see games from another region.

The fact your 3DS is still on firmware 4.1-4.5 when you should be prompted constantly for an update to 6.2

 

[driverdis]

don't forget checking the software history to see that you ran games like dream team on 4.5 (the software log probably logs the firmware you were on when you launched a game). my guess is that Nintendo will focus on adding GW3DS checks/firmware feature checks to later games to tell if your version spoofing and are using a GW3DS vs banning users, and will update the firmware once it can run on the latest firmware.