The Future is Going to Suck

[DarkStriker]

We haven't seen a huge development as far as consoles are concerned in 7 years (XBox 360 release), how long of a life-span do you expect? This generation already overstayed its welcome, it's about time to move on.

*looks at everyone that prefers old consoles* Nah, dont think so.

 

[BORTZ]

Thats it. Im buying one of these

Spoiler

http://imgur.com/6LGMh

And start collecting my long laundry list of NES/SNES games.

 

[Flame]

This will root out the bad from the good.

 

[59672]

Gaming isn't only on consoles and handhelds, PC gaming's gonna keep going strong. I can easily see a lot of console devs switching to making pc games due to fewer hardware limitations. Consoles and handhelds have yet to get digital distribution done truly right, something I think steam has pretty much perfected and origin (although I hate it) is also doing a fairly decent effort at it.

Gaming has just gotten to the point where many just can't justify buying a console for just games unless they're really into gaming, unfortunately for those who just want to play games on their consoles it doesn't really help when they talk about adding all these features that aren't about gaming.

 

[Hop2089]

Gaming isn't only on consoles and handhelds, PC gaming's gonna keep going strong. I can easily see a lot of console devs switching to making pc games due to fewer hardware limitations. Consoles and handhelds have yet to get digital distribution done truly right, something I think steam has pretty much perfected and origin (although I hate it) is also doing a fairly decent effort at it.

Gaming has just gotten to the point where many just can't justify buying a console for just games unless they're really into gaming, unfortunately for those who just want to play games on their consoles it doesn't really help when they talk about adding all these features that aren't about gaming.

I like the offering of Indie titles on Steam, most of the titles they offer that are indie are good or at least decent and the fact they offer localized Japanese indie games is an absolute plus.

As for the other features like Facebook on consoles and handhelds, I just don't bother with them.

 

[Deleted_171835]

They obviously view the point differently, like in the shoes of a developer, staring at something like how Call of Duty prints money, how iOS and Android apps prints money, and so on. who cares if you find CoD uninteresting, or if a million gamers out there find it uninteresting? fact of the matter is, it's a very pregnant cash cow, and that's what they see.
nothing speaks volume than sales, no matter how mindboggling it may be.

Only a rare few of iOS and Android apps print money.

iOS and Android are not sustainable platforms and are certainly not killing handheld gaming in any-way.

Finally, it's not failing. Try again.

The Vita actually is bombing hard. Even the Wii is doing better than it.

|System |  This Week  |  Last Week  |		YTD  |			LTD  |
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|  WII  |	 15,789  |	  9,200  |	206,117  |	12,369,338  |
|  PSV  |	 10,583  |	 12,299  |	250,773  |	 690,758  |

 

[Foxi4]

Finally, it's not failing. Try again.

The Vita actually is bombing hard. Even the Wii is doing better than it.

That's really cute, but Sony as a company is nowhere near keeling over plus the 3DS had a rough start too, so it's no surpise that the Vita does.

EDIT: By the way, according to your chart, the Wii sold better only during one week. It doesn't seem to be a trend to me.

 

[Gahars]

How does the fact that western developers are outperforming their eastern counterparts "suck" for everyone?

 

[Deleted_171835]

Finally, it's not failing. Try again.

The Vita actually is bombing hard. Even the Wii is doing better than it.

That's really cute, but Sony as a company is nowhere near keeling over plus the 3DS had a rough start too, so it's no surpise that the Vita does.

EDIT: By the way, according to your chart, the Wii sold better only during one week. It doesn't seem to be a trend to me.

For one, I'm talking about the Vita although Sony as a company isn't doing too well either. And second, the 3DS's sales were never as bad as the Vita's even with the sluggish start.

My point was that the Wii is pretty much a dead console. The fact that it sold better than the Vita speaks of a major problem with the platform.

How does the fact that western developers are outperforming their eastern counterparts "suck" for everyone?

Honestly, I'm not seeing this decline in quality of eastern games. I've seen just as much stellar games from Japanese devs as I've seen great games from Western devs. With this gen, it's not so much of a decline in Japanese games as it is an increase in great Western games.

 

[Hop2089]

How does the fact that western developers are outperforming their eastern counterparts "suck" for everyone?

Present mainstream gaming mentality of the West

Graphics>Gameplay

Shooters>All

Little room for innovation or variety

 

[Gahars]

How does the fact that western developers are outperforming their eastern counterparts "suck" for everyone?

Present mainstream gaming mentality of the West

Graphics>Gameplay

Shooters>All

Little room for innovation or variety

Oh yes, of course it is. Gotcha.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Present mainstream gaming mentality of the West

Graphics>Gameplay

Shooters>All

Little room for innovation or variety

Present mainstream mentality of Japan

Graphics>Gameplay

Fanservice>All

Little room for innovation or variety.

 

[Foxi4]

Only a rare few of iOS and Android apps print money.

I just noticed this and thought I'd comment since I don't really have anything to add to the "poor Vita" argument that's unrelated to the thread anyways.

Have you considered that this is simply because most of the games on App Stores are horrible? And I don't mean just "bad", I mean "sh*t and broken"?

Look at companies like Gameloft. For years on end, Gameloft's only source of income are mobile games. Only recently have they released a 3DS title which has its roots in their mobile franchise anyways. They release quality games, at least for mobile standards, and profit from it. Others release nasty, unfinished titles and don't. Today's market belongs to the concious customer who knows what he/she wants and gets that. Unless something doesn't seem up-to-par we just don't get it. Rovio set its bar high with Angry Birds and they quickly became a multi-million dollar business. The forementioned Gameloft lives off of mobile gaming for years already. Glu's in the exact same situation - they're doing fine.

What doesn't sell on the App Stores are unfinished and broken indie games that simply shouldn't be there yet, and they're high in number thus they're dragging the proffitable "rest" down in statistics, but this by no means mean that there is no money to be made here - there's plenty to go around if you have quality products to offer.

 

[jalaneme]

Sony Can’t Afford To Take Big Risks
Sony spent billions making the cell chip for the PS3 and sunk further billions into selling the console at a loss. Sony can’t afford to do that again after four years of heavy losses. The company also no longer employs anyone like Ken Kutaragi, who used his position and power to create an amazing device seemingly without taking profits into consideration. That’s why rumors suggest the PS4 will basically be a PC, and not even a very impressive one.

i really couldn't care less about sony's demise, good riddance to this terrible company, all they will bring is more restrictions and control and it will come to a point when no one will care anymore any boycott them.

It’s Going To Be Hard To Be A Used Gamer
Some rumors say that the PS4/NeXtBox won’t play used games, but that’s generally seen as being rather unlikely. What is far more probable is that Sony will do what they did with the Vita – Online Passes on pretty much every game, no trophies on used discs. Expect further hurdles as well, as it’s only a matter of time before companies try and implement singleplayer passes, or used game time limits.

the vita and recent games with online passes, disc locked content that decrease it's resale value and digital downloads which you can't resale is already proof of what is to come, we gamers have had more than enough warnings but choose to be ignorant about it and keep on giving publishers/developers our money, they will continue to rip us off becasue gamers like to be ripped off.

The Death of Singleplayer
This is something that we’ve seen more and more this gen. Other than truly massive single player experiences like The Elder Scrolls and GTA, mainstream games are becoming increasingly multiplayer focused – after all, more people buy map packs than singleplayer DLC. Multiplayer also means that people don’t trade in their game or buy a competitors, they just sit around throwing knives until the next COD game.

this is nothing new, online multiplier is in basically everything now even when it doesn't even need it, the new god of war has a unnecessary online mode, it's getting beyond ridiculous now, no more playing with your buddies in the same room, why would game developers let you do that when they can make you pay for the same game twice (and paying for online pass x2 $_$) while having to buy 2 tv's and ps3s instead? not only that but the achievements and trophy requirements for online multiplayer are beyond ridiculous and inhumane, you are forced to play with whiney children online who spam, cheat and glitch and have no life playing one game to get 1 quadrillion on the leadboard so you will never get a high score yourself and never get a 1000 gamer score or platinum trophy yourself, i have no sympathy with game developers who do this and simply do not buy their games and take my money elsewhere, the sad thing is i am starting to run out of choices...

Free-to-Play Might Be The Future
For developers, F2P is awesome. They can come out with a casual game, market it as free, and then entice people to pay to make the game actually any good. Which sucks if you play games for enjoyment, and not to make Zynga one of the biggest publishers in existence. Ngmoco’s Ben Cousins believes that the future will see games with the breadth of Skyrim available for free – except that you’ll probably have to pay a lot more than $60 to make the game as enjoyable as Skyrim.

we will start to see more of this, that news article about the parents suing the game devs after their children spent $99 dollars on some in game cash will be a game developers wet dream, why bother charge people the standard $60 when you can squeeze $100 or even more out of your consumers? gamers will think the are getting a bargain when they get the game for free when in fact it will cost them much more just to get the complete game, current gen is already getting away with doing this AND charging the full $60 for half a game, the situation will only get much worse, complete daylight robbery imo.

Subscriptions Are Too Lucrative
You can bet that Sony has been eying the near-billion dollars of profit that Microsoft makes from Xbox Live with considerable envy. Sure, they now have PlayStation Plus, but gamers don’t need to subscribe to play online, and PS+ has to really work for its money. Don’t be too surprised if the PS4 has a more constrained and aggressive subscription policy.

sony have said a few times in the past that they will never charge for online play (just like they always lie about stuff they will never do and do it anyway) but i think that is a lot of bull, they know they can make a second income out of charging gamers to play online (on top of paying for the online pass to acess the online content) they will become even more rich, no way will they pass this up.

Developing Next-Gen Games Will Be Even More Expensive
In 1982, Namco spent approximately $100,000 (now around $237,000) on Pac-Man. PS1 games cost around a million dollars, PS2 5-7 million and PS3 15-30 million for the average title. Logic dictates that next-gen dev costs will be even higher – after all, better detail, more complicated AI, more realistic engines all require more developers and longer dev cycles. More expensive games means that there will be less titles, possibly higher prices, and far less risk taking (innovation).

that is nothing shenmue 1&2 on the dreamcast cost millions back in the day, was even in the guiness book of records for such a feat, technology has moved on since then and graphics will be even more powerful, problem is with all this money why can't devs give us GAMEPLAY instead of a pretty FMV to look at, current gen is all about interactive movies anyway.

What Is Wrong With People?
Call of Duty keeps selling at astronomical rates each year, despite very little change. Hell, Black Ops II has triple the preorders of BLOPS, even though no one really knows anything about the game. Look forward to more COD, and more COD-like annual titles that change little each year.


call of duty modern BOREFARE (which is what i call it) is ruining gaming, it's a brainwashing machine, at least 50% of people on my friends list are playing that stupid game ALL DAY AND EVERY DAY, it's really sad and is ruining gaming, there are clones after clones using similar names to resale the same CRAP over and over.

West Is Sadly Best
20 years ago, all the best games used to be from the land of the rising sun, but now the Japanese games industry has – as a whole – failed to keep up with this gen. Sure, there are a few awesome titles, but the country has mostly been unable to understand how the market has changed. Graphics and gameplay also haven’t evolved as fast as in the West. With the next generation, this gap will likely get worse.

titles like demon/dark souls are showing promise, dragons dogma is another title from capcom that is giving the jrpg market a boost it needs (will be buying soon looks interesting), old style formula RPGS are boring and linear, final fantasy XIII is proof of that, i never touched my copy after buying it at LAUNCH, was seriously disappointed, and you know what i did after that? i brought the sequel too and that is gathering dust meanwhile my skyrim save file has 300 hours alone (including fallout 3 & new vegas), WRPGs are the future, 90s SNES era rpgs were golden back in the day but not in this day and age, the formula is way too old now and is very tiring.

Facebook My Tweet And Share It With Your Circle
Publishers love to advertise their games, but they hate to pay for the advertising. So they came up with a genius idea – you market their games for them! Expect far more Facebook and Twitter ‘integration’ in future games: finished a level, shot someone in the nads or bought some DLC? Games will offer you the opportunity to share it on Facebook, something that doesn’t seem like that big a deal. But then take a look at iOS games, which are beginning to adopt a policy of locking out features unless you spam your friends. Yaay.

urgh, don't get me started on this facebook interrogation BS crap, (gbatemp i am looking at you) every website i go has facebook loging (what is the point in having a anonymous username when facbook login shows your full name to the whole world opening up a can of worms), no i don't want family members and friends knowing what i am playing, what i am eating, what time i am going for a dump e.t.c it's intrusive annoying and i simply don't like it, bringing it into games is even worse, we don't need it and i don't want it.


It’s Watching You
Sure, Sony might have pioneered the EyeToy, but Microsoft mainstreamed the motion controlled camera with Kinect. As you’d expect, Sony wants a piece of that lucrative market, and is probably creating their own 3D camera. Which leads to this:

see my reply above, with facebook everywhere, and cameras in your face 24/7 you will be known to the world and everyone will know excatly what you are doing 24/7, you won't be able to be anonymous anymore, no privacy e.t.c i don't like the way gaming is going super social and intrusive... there are so many risks involved with this especially with nutcases on the internet i am sure people have heard of stories of people been killed from facebook after meeting up (online bullying too all sorts of trouble), and that call of duty player who traced that kid and tried to beat him up after he swore at him, look up the story for yoursself it's not too hard to find.

 

[jalaneme]

retro gaming is the future for new and old gamers, people will relive old classics and remember the good old days where you brought a game and it was 100% COMPLETE not this BS we get now, i am simply done with current gen, the only hope i have is nintendo (i started gaming with nintendo and i guess i will finish with them) i hope they don't let me down with the Wii U.

why do you think people keep on emulating old games on new consoles? because they are classics and timeless, they never get old, as soon as the gaming industry start to realise this the better but imo it will be way too late for that, the damage has already been done, game developers/publishers try to rectify that with HD remakes (and lock out backwards compatibility so they don't loose money) but that is not the way to go about it.

edit: i will leave you with a few videos to recap this whole topic in one.

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

in short - corporations are becoming greedy fucks?

 

[Foxi4]

why do you think people keep on emulating old games on new consoles? because they are classics and timeless, they never get old, as soon as the gaming industry start to realise this the better but imo it will be way too late for that, the damage has already been done, game developers/publishers try to rectify that with HD remakes (and lock out backwards compatibility so they don't lose money) but that is not the way to go about it.

The problem with this logic is that 10-15 years from now people will be emulating 360/PS3 titles - will that make them timeless classics too?

Read my "Old Farts" post, it might shed some light on why you feel that way.

http://gbatemp.net/t...ost__p__4215891

Believe it or not, there really is nothing wrong with today's gaming industry - it's just your perspective that hasn't changed while everything else moved forward.

retro gaming is the future for new and old gamers, people will relive old classics and remember the good old days where you brought a game and it was 100% COMPLETE not this BS we get now, i am simply done with current gen, the only hope i have is nintendo (i started gaming with nintendo and i guess i will finish with them) i hope they don't let me down with the Wii U.

You accuse "current generation games" of being incomplete upon release due to (I assume) DLC, however you fail to see the positives, or perhaps you don't even want to see any. Not only that, you're somewhat hypocritical. Did Command and Conquer not recieve numerous Mission Packs that were sold separatelly? Didn't numerous games go through the exact same process years and years ago, just via physical mediums? Of course they have! Did that mean that they were incomplete or sold with only part of the content? Perhaps in some cases, but in most, DLC as well as physical Mission Packs are simply enhancing the experience and adding new content.

Are you willing to go as far as to say that Starcraft: Brood War was essentially just a ploy by Blizzard to get some more money from the players? Do you really think that Duke Nukem 3D: The Atomic Edition was just a trick up 3D Realm's sleeve to sell you the same game twice? That's a really silly claim.

 

[jalaneme]

The problem with this logic is that 10-15 years from now people will be emulating 360/PS3 titles - will that make them timeless classics too?

Read my "Old Farts" post, it might shed some light on why you feel that way.

http://gbatemp.net/t...ost__p__4215891

Believe it or not, there really is nothing wrong with today's gaming industry - it's just your perspective that hasn't changed while everything else moved forward.

i personally think that emulating 360/ps3 games would be a difficult thing to do for a few simple reasons:

games will not be complete
games will require online passes to access servers which will not be accessible in 15 years time.
games that require to be online won't have servers running in 15 years, EA is a good example of that by shutting down servers after 2 years even when people are paying for the online passes.
some games require patches to fully work, they will not be available in 15 years to download from their servers, therefore games like skyrim is completely unplayable in it's vanilla state without patches.

with these problems the games would be a waste of time to play as they will be so broken and incomplete, the reason people still emulate old games from 20 years ago is because those games back then were complete, no patches, no dlc, no online or passes, just load and play, emulating current gen games in 15 years won't be as easy as it has in the past.

You accuse "current generation games" of being incomplete upon release due to (I assume) DLC, however you fail to see the positives, or perhaps you don't even want to see any. Not only that, you're somewhat hypocritical. Did Command and Conquer not recieve numerous Mission Packs that were separatelly sold? Didn't numerous games go through the exact same process years and years ago, just via physical mediums? Of course they have! Did that mean that they were incomplete or sold with only part of the content? Perhaps in some cases, but in most, DLC as well as physical Mission Packs are simply enhancing the experience and adding new content.

Are you willing to go as far as to say that Starcraft: Brood War was essentially just a ploy by Blizzard to get some more money from the players? Do you really think that Duke Nukem 3D: The Atomic Edition was just a trick up 3D Realm's sleeve to sell you the same game twice? That's a really silly claim.

you are entitled to your own opinions as well as i am entitled to mine, but you are seriously kidding yourself and trying to justify game developers robbing you blind straight out, yes "DLC" existed back in the day on pc, but they were full expansion packs that even had their own software disc and own packaging, now "DLC" are a 100kb download that is on the disc already locked out intentionally to make you pay more money, you got your moneys worth back then, what i am trying to say is there is a difference between pure green $_$ greed and quality content that is worth your money.

 

[ZAFDeltaForce]

It’s Watching You
Sure, Sony might have pioneered the EyeToy, but Microsoft mainstreamed the motion controlled camera with Kinect. As you’d expect, Sony wants a piece of that lucrative market, and is probably creating their own 3D camera. Which leads to this:

see my reply above, with facebook everywhere, and cameras in your face 24/7 you will be known to the world and everyone will know excatly what you are doing 24/7, you won't be able to be anonymous anymore, no privacy e.t.c i don't like the way gaming is going super social and intrusive... there are so many risks involved with this especially with nutcases on the internet i am sure people have heard of stories of people been killed from facebook after meeting up (online bullying too all sorts of trouble), and that call of duty player who traced that kid and tried to beat him up after he swore at him, look up the story for yoursself it's not too hard to find.

To be honest, there's always loopholes in the system. Don't want everyone to know what you are doing 24/7? Then don't update your Facebook wall. Personally, I never update my Facebook wall or Twitter account because I personally don't believe that updating everyone about my every action and thought throughout the day is wise or worth reading in any sense. That doesn't stop me from socialising with my friends by posting on their walls and the occasional commenting on their statuses however.

Don't want gaming to be socially intrusive? Then don't integrate Facebook with your gaming consoles. 3 years ago, I foolishly integrated my PS3 with Facebook and that fucker was constantly updating my wall with trophies I have unlocked and games I purchased on PSN. So I stopped the integration and my gaming patterns or happenings isn't posted on my Facebook wall.

Guess what - NOTHING is posted on my Facebook wall. I enjoy full privacy of my daily affairs that way.

I've heard about online bullying too, and it's truly unfortunate, but this can be minimized if people: treated friend invites from unknown people more seriously and with greater scrutiny, ignored "friends" who were posting cruel remarks on their walls, don't run around insulting and hurting everyone's feelings (The door swings both ways) and take everything they get from people online at face value. Feeling insulted from some random stranger on the Internet over a game or comment is beyond silly to me.

Thing is, no one is shoving social networks down our throats, and there are workarounds. GBATemp for instance, does not force us to use Facebook log in. So lighten up, I too hate how everything is going "social" these days. But that doesn't mean I should sit in a corner and suck my thumb

 

[Foxi4]

games will not be complete What do you even mean?
games will require online passes to access servers which will not be accessible in 15 years time. Name some console games that require online passes to play Singleplayer.
games that require to be online won't have servers running in 15 years, EA is a good example of that by shutting down servers after 2 years even when people are paying for the online passes. Server emulation. Not that much of an issue. Moreover, again, this is mostly for Multiplayer.
some games require patches to fully work, they will not be available in 15 years to download from their servers, therefore games like skyrim is completely unplayable in it's vanilla state without patches. Do you expect all the consoles with said patches to magically disappear? They can be "removed" from a pre-patched game and implanted into another if needs be.

with these problems the games would be a waste of time to play as they will be so broken and incomplete, the reason people still emulate old games from 20 years ago is because those games back then were complete, no patches, no dlc, no online or passes, just load and play, emulating current gen games in 15 years won't be as easy as it has in the past.
20 years ago you still had distribution of patches, just via game magazines and only for computers. By the way, don't tell me you've never seen a broken retro game.

you are entitled to your own opinions as well as i am entitled to mine, Not taking that right away from you, just showing you a different way to look at things.
but you are seriously kidding yourself and trying to justify game developers robbing you blind straight out, It's a business.
yes "DLC" existed back in the day on pc, but they were full expansion packs that even had their own software disc and own packaging, now "DLC" are a 100kb download that is on the disc already locked out intentionally to make you pay more money,...which cuts down the download times significantly. The same DLC could be on a server, it's just more convinient to put it on the disc. I personally dislike this practice but I can see how it makes "sense". Moreover, that kind of DLC's usually contain what? Bonus costumes? Big whoop. Pretty much only Capcom does it, it's not common practice.
you got your moneys worth back then How is any of this a satisfaction guarantee? There were still crappy mission packs back in "the day".
what i am trying to say is there is a difference between pure green $_$ greed and quality content that is worth your money. Of course, I agree, but there are good and bad aspects in everything, really.