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It's really not that difficult--maybe five minutes of research. You provided about as vague of a source as it gets (The entirety of the CDC) without specifying how the CDC supports your position. It wouldn't be difficult to find the quote or article you mentioned, but it's ultimately your responsibility because it's your position you're arguing.
Regardless of which question you are answering, you still need to provide your actual source. Just saying “the cdc” isn’t providing a source. You didn’t actually answer any questions, you just did a public display of your ignorance
Show me in the Constititution where it says all of our rights are suspended during a pandemic. Hell, there was a smallpox epidemic at the time of the ratification of the Constitution.
This is what I mean by go research yourself. I hope everybody else is seeing your due diligence and learning from it.
I've been trying to foster debate here for almost 2 years. As you can see, I get attacked along with sources I use, regardless of the level or direction of bias. Seems everything to the right of DailyKos is fascist propaganda. I gotta say, I have enjoyed debating with you.
The crazy part is that he wasn't even president when they were lifted, so it's not like he was predicting when he was going to do anything. Besides he never locked us down to begin with, regardless of what the uniparty establishment says.
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I've learned to not waste my time looking up sources for you. @AdenTheThird went out and did his own research. Why can't you do the same?
You made the claim and it was also a false claim at that. You almost never provide a source when asked and have a history of making shit up or citing misinformation, I have no reason to trust any of your claims without knowing your source. That said, you should do the leg work instead of moving the burden onto me. The burden of proof goes onto you, if you can’t provide that proof when asked, then your claim is bullshit. Maybe try actually being honest when you make claims, no one likes a liar
More likely Truth Social, Fox News, X (formerly Twitter), and far-right podcasts ala Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, and Steve Bannon.
"Constititution" (sorry
)That's true, but the Constitution is a set of basic moral principles, not a how-to guide for every possible scenario. It doesn't account for everything, and leaves room for interpretation as well (a good example of this is the controversy surrounding the Second Amendment--that the people who founded it were talking about the likes of muskets and other primitive weapons--not AR-15s). The Constitution is a framework, and it's up to us to decide what's best for each scenario outside of the Constitution's parameters. After all, I find it unlikely that the founders took possible global pandemics into account when writing the Constitution.
That being said, the pandemic was an unprecedented event in our modern age and took everyone by surprise. The actions taken to suppress the spread of the virus were more of an emergency lockdown than anything else. I understand how some people think the government overstepped, and that's absolutely a valid opinion if it's a serious concern of yours. It's up to us as a people to ultimately weigh the price of freedom versus the price of safety, and different people have different opinions on that as well.
Unfortunately, having an opinion on the Internet will always draw backlash from someone else. I understand where you're coming from in that regard. I try to stay as neutral as possible, because that's where I find the most clarity. I get backlash for that too, but I see it coming and ignore it. My personal opinion on a matter isn't usually relevant to the topic at hand. I've found that keeping emotions out of debating (at least for me) fosters better-quality discourse. And likewise to you--thank you for debating with me.
I think this is reading too far into it. Based on Trump's mannerisms and behavior, I'm guessing he threw out Easter as a goal, or a way to raise optimism. That didn't happen, and it's not unreasonable to amount the 2022 lifting around Easter to mere coincidence.
In fact, looking at Wikipedia's timeline of the Covid pandemic, I couldn't find anything that references all U.S. restrictions being lifted around or by Easter 2022. 2022 saw a steady decline in Covid-related deaths (Now quoting from the Wikipedia page: "On 11 November, the WHO reported that deaths since the month of February had dropped 90 percent"), but it wasn't until May of this year that the WHO determined that Covid was no longer an international emergency.
I may just be missing something here, but I really think this is just a false correlation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic
On a related note, I didn't realize that Wikipedia had such a detailed timeline of the pandemic. I found it rather interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic#Case_statistics
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Gotta say, I'm a little disappointed in how much finger-pointing and name calling is going on here. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion, or someone has a minority opinion, doesn't excuse petty banter as quality debate.
Because again
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Google told me that the world is flat, that lizard people live underground, that vaccines cause autism, and that the election was stolen from Trump
It wasn't a way to raise optimism, it was a way to avoid accountability and a way to try to sweep the whole mess under the rug right before the election. That comment was based on absolutely no scientific fact. How do I know that? Well, because he kept moving the goal-posts, nearly countless times.
It's also bad logical reasoning to assume he could've meant any other Easter than Easter 2020, because he'd always be right then since he'd technically be correct if you take the year the pandemic declaration ends and then reference the Easter following that. That makes it a meaningless statement~!
I agree that there were likely ulterior motives in Trump's prediction. He is a politician, after all, and politicians by nature tend to avoid accountability whenever possible.
I also second your reasoning that it is unlikely that Trump meant any Easter other than Easter 2020, based on circumstantial evidence and other statements by Trump and other politicians. I referred to it as reading to far into it, which I stand by, as refuting logical deduction often leads to false correlations, or correlations where there are none.
Yes, I am not refuting anything you said as the connotation and the facts of your post are correct. I just wanted to make it 100% clear that Trump knew what he was doing. It was not mere optimism. If anyone has any doubt, as a bonus here's Trump telling Woodward in an interview he "played it down", it being the pandemic.
Oh, absolutely. I'm very aware of Trump's downplaying of the pandemic. I'm not oblivious to that at all. Thank you for clarifying and using supporting evidence.
thats fine its my responsibility, but i asked you to narrow it down and you went all gump on me
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says the guy who doesnt keep up with the only true factual source on information in the world, got it.
What is that supposed to even mean? When asked for a source, I provide my sources and even do my best to ensure they are either trustworthy, backed by multiple sources, and or peer-reviewed. I am bound to be wrong but at least I don’t make lazy attempts with “look it up” or “the CDC” or even just make shit up. I am sorry your lazy reply did not meet my request, maybe actually attempt to make a decent reply next time.
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