Hacking RB2 Customs - Proof of Concept

[AerialX]

hehe, if SOME people didn't love C# so much it would work on mac

Uh, what? That means I can have it work on a Mac without recompiling

 

[ExLex]

I hope you guys release the tools one by one and not when all the tools is ready, example:

Release Wii Installer 05/06
Release PC Installer 10/06
Release MAC Installer 11/06

THIS NOT:

ALL 11/06
Release Wii Installer
Release PC Installer
Release MAC Installer

 

[AerialX]

I hope you guys release the tools one by one and not when all the tools is ready, example:

Release Wii Installer 05/06
Release PC Installer 10/06
Release MAC Installer 11/06

THIS NOT:

ALL 11/06
Release Wii Installer
Release PC Installer
Release MAC Installer

Would six days really kill you? >.>

Anyway, the Wii and PC installers go hand-in-hand, so they have to be released at once (one is useless without the other). As for Mac, it might come a bit later, or right away. I don't have a Mac, but I guess icefire can be my test subject

 

[ExLex]

It is only a example

Well, Seeing this tools come together is better. (because both are necesary)

 

[ccfman2004]

I have already asked what programming language would be used as I my self wanted to compile a Mac version.

 

[icefireicefire]

C# -- I still don't get how the M$ C# GUI stuff would work on mac, but I Really don't know...

 

[jesse1122]

Wouldn't this concept of extracting song and adding them as dlc work with the track packs? i mean extracting the songs from them and then putting them in rock band 2

 

[Gamemaster1379]

Question of curiosity. The [RB1] tags...since they're optional, that means that the names could be different for two people who export from RB1....Since the names of the songs won't match...will the game recognize that the songs are the same online if one party has [RB1] tags and the other doesn't?

 

[AerialX]

Question of curiosity. The [RB1] tags...since they're optional, that means that the names could be different for two people who export from RB1....Since the names of the songs won't match...will the game recognize that the songs are the same online if one party has [RB1] tags and the other doesn't?

I *believe* that it should be fine whatever you name them, though we haven't actually tested it yet. We'll find out soon enough.

 

[Gamemaster1379]

Question of curiosity. The [RB1] tags...since they're optional, that means that the names could be different for two people who export from RB1....Since the names of the songs won't match...will the game recognize that the songs are the same online if one party has [RB1] tags and the other doesn't?

I *believe* that it should be fine whatever you name them, though we haven't actually tested it yet. We'll find out soon enough.

I'd assume that it'd see if all parties having matching DLC IDs, and nothing to do with the song name, though it's still something not to look over.

 

[ccfman2004]

I wonder how Harmonix derived the ID numbers.

My thinking is that known songs such as those in RB1 should have hardcoded IDs built into Rawk SD which can't be used again nor changed.

As for custom songs, that would be up to the person who made it. The only issue with that is conflicting IDs where 2 people have 2 different songs with the same ID and player 1 sends his custom to player 2 but player 2 already has a song with that ID. I would assume that Rawk SD will dissallow conflicting IDs.

 

[fubka]

This is nice, I cannot wait for the release. So this is compatible with PAID DLC content then?

 

[nano351]

This project looks fantastic! Can't wait for the release

also as for the duplicate ID issue I have a theoretical setup.
Now, for this to work I have a few postulates since I can't debug rockband 2:
-all songs (including disc and DLC) have an ID to match them up for online play
-IDs start at 0 and count up with each new song from harmonix
-IDs are a DWORD long (giving 4294967296 possible song IDs)

Ok so the first problem would be chart creators assigning songs duplicate IDs which would be troublesome. But you could have charts provided by RawkSD website which would have a boolean in the file indicating its an official song. Charters could still release and use songs independantly but they wouldn't get a RawkSD boolean set to true.

So that would give us 3 categories:
-official harmonix songs
-RawkSD songs
-independant songs

We can easily devide up the possible song IDs for these 3 without worry of running out

so we will duplicate what harmonix songs are doing by counting up from 0 and the installer will do a little addition:
-if the song is being exported it will either use the ID it has or will get its ID from a table of the ones used for the other consoles
-if the song is a RawkSD official song it will have 0x55555555 added to its ID
-if the song is an independant song it will have 0xAAAAAAAA added to its ID

Hopefully this system would work out ;o

 

[tueidj]

This project looks fantastic! Can't wait for the release

also as for the duplicate ID issue I have a theoretical setup.
Now, for this to work I have a few postulates since I can't debug rockband 2:
-all songs (including disc and DLC) have an ID to match them up for online play
-IDs start at 0 and count up with each new song from harmonix
-IDs are a DWORD long (giving 4294967296 possible song IDs)

Nope.
IDs are strings and they are not user configurable (at least not for RB1 exported songs) for reasons that I won't go into here (it has nothing to do with piracy so no speculation please).

 

[SFenton]

This is nice, I cannot wait for the release. So this is compatible with PAID DLC content then?

Yep, won't interfere at all.

 

[titiln]

i wasn't really sure from what i read on the thread or maybe i missed it, but what's the situation on album art? can customs have it? can i add it to rb1's tracks? can i add it to existing dlc?

i mean it's a feature i can live without, but i was just curious

 

[Chlikaflok]

Good question, and it also made me wonder if tools for building the files for custom songs existed for Wii. Like if the midi format is different for notecharting or something like that, we'll need different tools than 360 and PS3. I'm just saying this, but the answer might already be written on scorehero, I just can't be bothered to check there. I'm mostly posting to show interest and support and to bring the question up if it's actually different.

 

[SFenton]

i wasn't really sure from what i read on the thread or maybe i missed it, but what's the situation on album art? can customs have it? can i add it to rb1's tracks? can i add it to existing dlc?

i mean it's a feature i can live without, but i was just curious

I think Mrkinator worked on that for a bit. I'm not quite sure where it ended up.


QUOTE(Chlikaflok @ Jun 7 2009, 12:32 AM) Good question, and it also made me wonder if tools for building the files for custom songs existed for Wii. Like if the midi format is different for notecharting or something like that, we'll need different tools than 360 and PS3. I'm just saying this, but the answer might already be written on scorehero, I just can't be bothered to check there. I'm mostly posting to show interest and support and to bring the question up if it's actually different.

The .midis you can make as usual for RB1. However, certain animations are needed for RB2- we've found (aka tue found) that FoF .charts work in the game in quickplay, but no notes play. So we either mod a HMX chart (illegal? IDK) or we figure out what's up with FoF.

Or, we find a way to use a regular midi.

 

[ccfman2004]

From what I understand, the FoF midi, especially ones from RB are not the same as those found on RB and have been modified.

 

[thecyanaura]

can the track packs be imported into RB2 customs as well?

Thanks in advance. I can't wait until the release.