I'm scared about the future of Nintendo

[FierceDeityLinkMask]

Actually I'm gonna have to blame you for writing something extremely stupid, then keep going at it for multiple posts, only to realize how stupid it was, then pretend it was a joke.

Hit me with a joke any time, but make it a joke.

Nice strawman there, I only made the obvious joke of

"adults who wish to be teens again".

given that I myself have declared myself a fire emblem fan. I mean, you can close your eyes to facts but facts don't really go away. The fact that you chose this one tiny detail to try to attack tells me that it's the only thing you can try attacking. This is because I made a statement backed by evidence. "Nintendo is no stranger to fanservice." How do you argue that?

 

[Deleted User]

The only concern I have is the fact Reggie is interested in lootboxes, and that makes me very scared. Granted, he doesn't represent Nintendo as it's entirety. But because Nintendo does beat to their own rhythm of their own drum, it may be difficult for the company to drop it. Everything else is peachy in the world of Nintendo. I don't care if they start moving to more mature games, it's the quality that it's important to me. Which as far as I've seen. Most of that quality is still there, even though we have got a dump truck of ports. Wish 3rd parties would take the system seriously though.

 

[Sonic Angel Knight]

And guess what is selling games for lil boys...
Butts and boobs

This is what you scared about? There plenty of other things to be scared about. This is starting to sound like steam a month ago.

Should we be scared they not making super violent games like uncharted or gears of war? Cause then we would be scared they are making games for Hard Core adult men.

Nintendo is being Nintendo, trying new things. They saw the wii u not working so now they trying to do something about it. Sure that means letting developers old and new make anything for their console, but then that's what anyone does, and just cause it has "Butts and boobs" doesn't mean right away is intended for "lil boys" It's a game from Japan and it has whatever the developer had interested in, and most of said games have a Mature rating intended for adults.

You could be happy that they are trying to not censor many games or even let public opinion of people who raise controversy on the news about it to try and have changes made. (Insert less offensive term for Social Justice Warrior Here) and be happy that there is more games being localized as well. People are gonna make games like the ones you think of cause they either want to and someone is willing to buy it. People who like the same thing will find each other eventually and not worry about the people who dislike it just as long as it doesn't cause problems.

I can understand your thoughts, and I wasn't trying to be offensive when I commented. But I wanted to share some thoughts of my own, may it help somehow.

 

[SG854]

The only concern I have is the fact Reggie is interested in lootboxes, and that makes me very scared. Granted, he doesn't represent Nintendo as it's entirety. But because Nintendo does beat to their own rhythm of their own drum, it may be difficult for the company to drop it.

He made a comparison that loot boxes are just like baseball cards. And he thinks they are totally fine as long as there are other ways to unlock content without paying.

 

[Deleted User]

He made a comparison that loot boxes are just like baseball cards. And he thinks they are totally fine as long as there are other ways to unlock content without paying.

... Looks at EA battlefront
That could be just corporate speak of saying, we will make it very difficult to get the content you want. And practically strong Arm you to buying to avoid the grind.

 

[SG854]

... Looks at EA battlefront
That could be just corporate speak of saying, we will make it very difficult to get the content you want.

Just like baseball cards.

 

[Deleted User]

Just like baseball cards.

No it isn't. Baseball cards, you have no idea what your getting. But there is no other method of getting that card alone. With lootboxes, it's dangling a free option over your head, and making you run on a hamster wheel for extreme amounts of time that it's ludicrous , and then you see the paid option, and pay because you don't want to be on a hamster wheel for 12 hours straight doing nothing but running. And with baseball cards, it's a one time fee. You want to buy 1 pack, you buy 1 pack. With video game lootboxes, there is the first 60 dollar fee, just to then get told that you have to run on a hamster wheel, and or pay some more. I don't know how you could defend that. If Mario kart adopted the lootboxes idea, I would fucking tear my hair out. Not because it's a lootboxes, because I know that this bs wasn't in games before. I could make a damn flag saying "pride and accomplishment" video games, in sense have a end goal. That end goal shouldn't be 200 hours of grinding mindlessly. In Mario kart there is a sense of skill involved, especially with 8. Is there some grind? Yes. But that grind is counter acted by the various "coin" goals required to get to a new piece, and how easy is it is to reach the next. But there becomes a point where it's no longer fun, and that's when you have a giant problem, and every lootbox game, any game that has it's focus around a lootbox, looses that longevity because it decided to sacrifice fun, for greed.

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If Nintendo implements it in the least scummy way possible, then maybe lootboxes are redeemed. But that literately means making the free option, as reasonably difficult as it should be, not a 200 hour grind, not a 100 hour grind, but somewhere within 1-3 hours (this is general, I'm excluding the more grindy games like a jrpg) . And everyone usually has a two part thought, they ask how hard it is, and then ask is it worth it? Going through a 100 hour grind for something, makes it too hard. And feels more worth your time, buying it instead. So when you remove the scummy practices, it decreases the odds of someone buying a lootbox, defeating the point of their inclusion in the first place.

 

[SG854]

No it isn't. Baseball cards, you have no idea what your getting. But there is no other method of getting that card alone. With lootboxes, it's dangling a free option over your head, and making you run on a hamster wheel for extreme amounts of time that it's ludicrous , and then you see the paid option, and pay because you don't want to be on a hamster wheel for 12 hours straight doing nothing but running. And with baseball cards, it's a one time fee. You want to buy 1 pack, you buy 1 pack. With video game lootboxes, there is the first 60 dollar fee, just to then get told that you have to run on a hamster wheel, and or pay some more. I don't know how you could defend that. If Mario kart adopted the lootboxes idea, I would fucking tear my hair out. Not because it's a lootboxes, because I know that this bs wasn't in games before. I could make a damn flag saying "pride and accomplishment" video games, in sense have a end goal. That end goal shouldn't be 200 hours of grinding mindlessly. In Mario kart there is a sense of skill involved, especially with 8. Is there some grind? Yes. But that grind is counter acted by the various "coin" goals required to get to a new piece, and how easy is it is to reach the next. But there becomes a point where it's no longer fun, and that's when you have a giant problem, and every lootbox game, any game that has it's focus around a lootbox, looses that longevity because it decided to sacrifice fun, for greed.

Never said whether I was for or against loot boxes. That part you made up about me. Never bought a loot box and never will.
They both tap into psychological gambling addiction.

With card games like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh you need to buy more than more pack just to have enough to get started playing. So you are spending at least more than $60 to jump in the core game. Structure decks can be had for cheaper, but people buy more than that to build their own unique decks for competition. Rare and Ultra Rare is the gambling aspect. Selling rare cards you get is the gambling aspect, buying many packs and hoping you'll get a return in your investment. Like a slot machine.

 

[tbb043]

Why would they do that when Kirby is a boy?? Lol

Did you just assume Kirby's gender? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

 

[AmandaRose]

Did you just assume Kirby's gender? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I assumed nothing but i do assume you did not read my other post on page 2. He is called a boy in the first kirby dreamland and in kirby deluxe and in an episode of the anime he is called a baby boy.

 

[Vorpal Blade]

They care less about family friendly game and care more about profit

And guess what is selling games for lil boys...

Spoiler

Butts and boobs

There is literally nothing wrong with butts and boobs. You can keep the system family-friendly by utilizing parental features built-in the software of the console; or a parent could actually look at the ESRB/PEGI/etc. rating of the game they plan to buy for their children. Or, how about the parents can: explains the biological differences between males and females; explain why it is biologically natural to admire said differences; and point out that it is just pixels on a screen, and although it may be excessively explicit or over-sexualized at times, it is a still valid form of entertainment that is fine to partake in as long as you keep in mind that such things are not manifested in the real world - and if the scenarios could be replicated, it will be between consenting adults (preferably in a long-term bond and in private).

 

[mituzora]

Nintendo still has it's cutesy family-friendly games. they have a few fan-servicey things like zero-suit Samus's skin-tight suit, but all in all, they're still pretty family oriented. sure, they've branched out to more mature themes, but is that really a bad thing?

There is literally nothing wrong with butts and boobs. You can keep the system family-friendly by utilizing parental features built-in the software of the console; or a parent could actually look at the ESRB/PEGI/etc. rating of the game they plan to buy for their children. Or, how about the parents can: explains the biological differences between males and females; explain why it is biologically natural to admire said differences; and point out that it is just pixels on a screen, and although it may be excessively explicit or over-sexualized at times, it is a still valid form of entertainment that is fine to partake in as long as you keep in mind that such things are not manifested in the real world - and if the scenarios could be replicated, it will be between consenting adults (preferably in a long-term bond and in private).

Absolutely!! I guess people these days forget this system of control exists. In fact thanks to the ESRB, mature games with more mature content are possible on Nintendo's consoles. if there wasn't an ESRB rating, we wouldn't have any nintendo games with fan-service, cursing, or gratuitous violence. Otherwise a game such as Bayonetta would have never seen the light on a Ninty console.

I for one am completely okay with Nintendo offering more mature content. Nintendo isn't just for kids; in fact I know many more adults interested in Ninty's consoles than I do kids; My nephew literally doesn't care as long as it has minecraft, otherwise he doesn't even touch it.

 

[AutumnWolf]

You are more worried about games having nudity than for example, lootboxes, crappy monetization schemes, having bad games in general, having incomplete games/not having the whole game in a cardrige, this... thing about streaming new games instead of porting them out of complete laziness, not having enough new games or third party support, etc?

Nintendo will continue making family friendly games, you should be more worried about the other stuff

/Off topic

(I'd like a more mature Zelda game...)

 

[Taleweaver]

I bet we will soon see Kirby with racks

Child: mommy? Why is Kirby only eating the lower half of the enemies in this game?
Mother: ... YOU STOP PLAYING NOW!!!



Okay... But nasty jokes aside... You seriously worry too much. There is a market for adult games and there is a market for family games. Nintendo is very strong in the laterl and pretty non existent in the former. The chance they'll squander their strong point for one they aren't at home in (and is pretty saturated) is pretty slim. Not only is it a company with actual culture, but even if they attempted it, they'll have shareholders pointing out that they won't like the direction.

 

[BasedStickman]

An awful lot of AAA games with sexy female characters have Halal mods if you really need that.

 

[MrCokeacola]

I'm scared for Nintendo too considering their last 100% home console was the Wii U. Dark times.

 

[GensokyoIceFairy]

The company's gone to hell since Iwata passed away. Abuse of takedowns, DLC stuff, and if I'm honest they lost their heart/effort a long time ago but 2015 was the death of the company.

Though the Switch as a system is okish I don't like Nintendo's ethics...

 

[AmandaRose]

Nintendo's had multiple presidents and lots of staff changes through the years. Iwata, for all the amazing things he did, also led Nintendo down the path to the Wii U, so sometimes fresh blood is helpful to a company. Every company wants to make profits, and Nintendo as a whole is pretty aware of what makes the company money, so they'll be fine.

While I agree with most of this multiple presidents is wrong they have had only 6 presidents in the company's 128 years existence. Most other company's go through 6 presidents over about 20 years lol

 

[AdenTheThird]

Because seriously, from what I've heard so far
The new Counsil of Nintendo is leaded by peoples who want to make profit
They care less about family friendly game and care more about profit

And guess what is selling games for lil boys...

Spoiler

Butts and boobs

I love Nintendo because they don't do that at the opposite of many other games developpers
But now... I'm scared...

I totally agree. Nintendo's popularity and purpose is slanted downhill, but they have enough money to last them a super long time.
However there is always room for change, and there will always be good people in this world.

 

[Taleweaver]

I totally agree. Nintendo's popularity and purpose is slanted downhill, but they have enough money to last them a super long time.

Erm...you're aware that the switch is outselling hot cakes right now, right?
(a quickly googled graph that shows the difference with the earlier generations...and I can quickly throw in some sales charts with topping nintendo products as well)