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[Xzi]

Isnt that just commuisum with a smiley face on it? because there very similar

Not really, in a nutshell socialism is giving control over the means of production to the workers. Communism is giving the state/government control of everything, with the expectation that they will redistribute the profits and resources gathered to the citizens. Authoritarians don't bother with the second step, which turns the state into a dictatorship or oligarchy.

It's also possible to implement strong social policies and social safety nets within an otherwise capitalist framework, which is what we see happening in prosperous Scandinavian countries. Social democracies, as it were.

 

[Acid_Snake]

@Xzi what's so funny?

More than a quarter million dead cubans in the bottom of the Caribean, is that so funny?

Girls and boys as young as 12 having to prostitute to feed themselves, is that so funny?

Cops standing outside middle and high schools sexually harrasing girls, is that so funny?

Homosexuals placed on a boat among common criminals (rapists, murderers, etc) and sent out to die at the sea with no supplies, is that so funny?

People dying in hospital floors with no medication to even calm the pain, is that so funny?

Little kids looking like living skeletons due to the horrible malnourishment, is that so funny?

Women marching peacefully in the streets protesting for the freedom of political prisoners getting beaten and brutalized in the middle of the streets by the police, is that so funny?

You @Xzi and that other dumbass @LainaGabranth and anyone else who defends this can only be describe as A FASCIST PIECE OF SHIT.

 

[Xzi]

@Xzi what's so funny?

That you believe the nazis were socialists when in fact Hitler had to have all the socialists murdered before he could consolidate power. Even most Youtube historians know better. It's right up there with believing that North Korea is a "democratic people's republic" just because that's what they call themselves.

 

[sombrerosonic]

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Man, you think that people realize that it dosen't work. Places like China and Russia had to take on capitalist idea's to stay upfloat, while other places failed to do so....... starve and are broke. Keep me the FUCK away, thank you very much

 

[Xzi]

Man, you think that people realize that it dosen't work. Places like China and Russia had to take on capitalist idea's to stay upfloat, while other places failed to do so....... starve and are broke. Keep me the FUCK away, thank you very much

Oh okay, so you weren't actually asking the question in good faith then. Meanwhile, the US has 70% of people currently living paycheck to paycheck and subject to the whims of greedy landlords. Homelessness and starvation are rampant, even among children. The country's most prosperous decades being after the passage of the New Deal and when corporations were taxed at 80%+ to pay for strong social programs. Gotta love people who don't know the first thing about history, foreign or domestic.

 

[Acid_Snake]

That you believe the nazis were socialists when in fact Hitler had to have all the socialists murdered before he could consolidate power. Even most Youtube historians know better. It's right up there with believing that North Korea is a "democratic people's republic" just because that's what they call themselves.

No, he didn't kill the socialists, he killed the communists, which were also nazis too (the National-Bolsheviks). And he did this exactly because as you should know, the socialists don't necessarily get along with the communists, and also because he needed to please the Bavarian rich oligarchs to get them on his side.

Nazi Germany was the peak of socialism in Europe at the time, the first state to abolish religion, first state to nationalize all industries, first state to implement labor laws to protect worker's rights (including the first nation in europe to implement paid vacations).

All of this came at a cost though, the same cost that had to be payed by each and every other Socialist society ever (be it China, Korea, Cuba, Russia, etc), and that was the evergrowing size and power of the government over its people, which ultimately leads to dystopia.

 

[Acid_Snake]

@Xzi the only thing funny here is your gigantic ignorance, but I guess that's what clowns do, react with laughter.

 

[sombrerosonic]

Fun, i derailed another thread

 

[Xzi]

Nazi Germany was the peak of socialism in Europe at the time, the first state to abolish religion, first state to nationalize all industries, first state to implement labor laws to protect worker's rights (including the first nation in europe to implement paid vacations).

Socialism is an economic system, it has nothing to do with abolishing religion. And nobody points to labor laws as being a big problem with the third reich.

Socialist society ever (be it China, Korea, Cuba, Russia, etc)

See my truncated definitions above. None of these nations ever gave control over the means of production to the workers, and by definition communism requires redistribution of wealth and resources. They were authoritarian oligarchies at best, outright genocidal dictatorships at worst. Even now China is a capitalist police state and/or oligarchy. They simply don't want to admit that to themselves or their citizens.

 

[Xzi]

Fun, i derailed another thread

Needed to be derailed anyway, it was nothing but a whiny bitchfest for conservatives. I'll leave you with this: both major US political parties are staunchly capitalist, and this is a nation which has been in decline for the last several decades. This is not a coincidence.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

you can do that now, most hospitals are open all the time, the difference is, for one you need money,

So, you think that everyone is equal in this current system?
That the guys who work 50 60 hours become the rich billionaires like musk, and Bazo's of the world? The people who bust their asses for a low shit wage, a wage you intentionally kept low, have a reasonable chance to pay for those costs?

Fuck no they don't.

Our for profit health system is the most absurd, and ludicrous system in existence. We pay 3,000 dollars for a ambulance ride. You know what other countries pay for? Zero. And if it is paid, put in the ball park of lower than 100 dollars.


And because of the major pay disparity, it creates a two tier system, where people that aren't rich asshats, (aka the 90%) either barely can afford healthcare, or in my case, can't afford it at all. So we're stuck with medicaid, if we even get approved of that and aren't silently kicked off it, because you made the process so absurdly strict and stringent, that it takes an absurd amount of time to even get back on.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Not really, in a nutshell socialism is giving control over the means of production to the workers. Communism is giving the state/government control of everything

erm no.
Communism is a classless, stateless society. Having a government would violate the both, unless of course (technically because what I'm going to mention doesn't enable a difference.) if it was direct democracy. Since everyone would technically count as the government, and thefore, a distinction without a difference and just becomes the populous again. (it can't stray from that either, can't remove a group of people from voting. Nor can police become a thing. The moment that happens, class and state is coming back. as the officers would act as such)

Now if we're talking about Leninism (Lennism's bullshit version of communism essentially. Basically took what Marx wrote, and scribbled ontop of it with black sharpie, and called it the definitive version of communism, an an authortian prick that I'd even go back in time if I could to punch the living crap out of him)
Then you'd be correct.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Isnt that just commuisum with a smiley face on it? because there very similar

Nope. In fact, many socialist movements have outright rejected communism as what it is: just authoritarianism with prettier aesthetics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Arrows

Such as this party which opposed fascism, communism, and reactionary conservatism, or in this case monarchies. Workers having a say in the means of production while still having currency and wealth with ethical wages and hours is far from communism. The idea that socialism and communism are the same thing come from insane people who think communism is when your family lends you money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

The theories in these two wikipedia entries are vastly different

 

[LainaGabranth]

That's what Hitler said.

Hitler also said he wasn't a socialist, that he loathed socialists, and had them killed in the Night of the Long Knives once he took over the party that he explicitly said he used the aesthetics of to further his goals. You are not going to win an argument with someone who has read history, you dolt.

 

[LainaGabranth]

@Xzi what's so funny?

More than a quarter million dead cubans in the bottom of the Caribean, is that so funny?

Girls and boys as young as 12 having to prostitute to feed themselves, is that so funny?

Cops standing outside middle and high schools sexually harrasing girls, is that so funny?

Homosexuals placed on a boat among common criminals (rapists, murderers, etc) and sent out to die at the sea with no supplies, is that so funny?

People dying in hospital floors with no medication to even calm the pain, is that so funny?

Little kids looking like living skeletons due to the horrible malnourishment, is that so funny?

Women marching peacefully in the streets protesting for the freedom of political prisoners getting beaten and brutalized in the middle of the streets by the police, is that so funny?

You @Xzi and that other dumbass @LainaGabranth and anyone else who defends this can only be describe as A FASCIST PIECE OF SHIT.

Yeah I hate market systems too, I dunno why you're so upset about it though.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

@Xzi what's so funny?

More than a quarter million dead cubans in the bottom of the Caribean, is that so funny?

Girls and boys as young as 12 having to prostitute to feed themselves, is that so funny?

Cops standing outside middle and high schools sexually harrasing girls, is that so funny?

Homosexuals placed on a boat among common criminals (rapists, murderers, etc) and sent out to die at the sea with no supplies, is that so funny?

People dying in hospital floors with no medication to even calm the pain, is that so funny?

Little kids looking like living skeletons due to the horrible malnourishment, is that so funny?

Women marching peacefully in the streets protesting for the freedom of political prisoners getting beaten and brutalized in the middle of the streets by the police, is that so funny?

wow, it's like capitalism fucking sucks. And that maybe we should do something about it.

Because those issues you just said, is a creation of captalism.
IF there was no markets, we'd just feed people if they need to be feed. If there was no monetary incentive by say, the landlords, to get as much cash out of us as possible, those kids wouldn't have to prostuite, better yet, they could maybe have idk...

A good healthcare system? Collage? They'd never worry about being hungry.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

Oh okay, so you weren't actually asking the question in good faith then. Meanwhile, the US has 70% of people currently living paycheck to paycheck and subject to the whims of greedy landlords. Homelessness and starvation are rampant, even among children. The country's most prosperous decades being after the passage of the New Deal and when corporations were taxed at 80%+ to pay for strong social programs. Gotta love people who don't know the first thing about history, foreign or domestic.

And how many of those 70% just bought the new iPhone 14? How many just took out 10 year loans to get a new $70,000 car? How many never cook for themselves and home delivery take out for every meal?

There are people who are truly struggling. But the 70% number hides the truth when there are people making $150,000 or more a year, yet are living paycheck to paycheck.

We have a massive missing number of the population that weren't educated financially, nor taught basic things to take care of themselves (cook, clean house, shower, do laundry, etc). But don't worry a new app was just released that will solve all your problems for a low, low $74.99 a month.

 

[TraderPatTX]

American judges are almost always going to be right-wing as there is no left-wing party or major movement in the US. Democrats are still on the right and often just as far to the right as Republicans.

You are a perfect example of how far left leftists in this country have gone.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

wow, it's like capitalism fucking sucks. And that maybe we should do something about it.

Because those issues you just said, is a creation of captalism.
IF there was no markets, we'd just feed people if they need to be feed. If there was no monetary incentive by say, the landlords, to get as much cash out of us as possible, those kids wouldn't have to prostuite, better yet, they could maybe have idk...

A good healthcare system? Collage? They'd never worry about being hungry.

Wow... did you just call all of Cuba's issue with implementing communism a creation of capitalism? Be sure to go to Florida and spread the work to all the real refugees that they made the wrong discussion about coming to a capitalist country and should return to their communist utopia.

 

[TraderPatTX]

I was born in a socialist country and everything bad they say about it is 100% true, sometimes it's not even close to the real attrocities we've seen as most of that information has been erased, there's a reason why dictators love censorship.

Where did you learn about socialism? Let me guess, in some social studies class by some teacher that read some books written by some old farts hundreds of years ago.

Just because you were born in a socialist country and saw first hand the atrocities that totalitarianism entails doesn't mean you know what real socialism is.

- Every leftist on this forum