Child Pornography case that caused 3DS DoA sale ban finally over

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En serievetare som åtalats för barnpornografibrott i det så kallade mangamålet frias av Högsta domstolen.
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Domstolen konstaterar att teckningarna är pornografiska och att de föreställer barn. Men det handlar om fantasifigurer som inte kan misstas för verkliga barn.
"En kriminalisering av innehav av teckningarna skulle därför gå utöver vad som är nödvändigt", skriver HD.
A comic expert charged with child pornography possesion in the so called "manga case" was freed by Högsta domstolen (the supreme court of Sweden).
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The supreme court states that the drawings are pornographic and that they depict children. However the pictures only contain fantasy figures that cannot be mistaken for real children. "A criminalisation of possesion of the images would therefor exceed what is necessary", the supreme court says.

:arrow: DN (Swedish, excerpt above translated by me.)

For those unfamiliar with Lundströms case, it has been the cause of much debate between supporters and non-supporters of child pornography laws for fictional and virtual content. Specifically of interest to this forum could be that it was allegedly the reason Nintendo chose to not sell 3DS DoA in northern Europe.

When I searched it seemed that the news of this final ruling had not been picked up by English media yet. If anyone finds an English source, I'll gladly edit it in.

Apart from being a big victory for supporters of freedom, as the police says in the interview in the linked article the ruling is an indication that the police can focus on real child pornography crimes instead of ones involving only fantasy figures.
 
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Great. No need to trash my loli stash now.

But yeah. Real child porn is a lot more messed up than a drawing, thats what need to be tackled.

Though some loli is just fucked up, its still not as big a problem. No one is really hurt by it unlike real child porn
 

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So a person was about to go to jail for drawing loli?
Not sure why you would draw the conclusion that he drew them as it is nowhere said that he did, he simply had them on his harddrive. Ironically he could not have even have been convicted in the first place had he drawn the images himself, as according to the Swedish law on child pornography the law does not apply to any work created by the possessor (second sentence under 10 b § in the link).
 

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Will you all still be supporting this guy if it leads to actual child porn? Pics of kids in any pornographic nature is fucked up in my opinion....drawing or not,
he's still fantasising about a child......fucking weirdo imho.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future he's up on actual indecent child images.
 
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Big differance between loli and child porn.
Though we have no idea how young the characters in question are portrayed as. If its prepubescent then thats sick and he should be locked up. If not then the right decision was made
 

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awesome...so people can still get their perv on and look at DRAWINGS of young children, instead of actual children. I do agree, however, that its better than looking at actual CP, because it's fucked up, and exploits children who cannot defend themselves, but nonetheless, kinda weird
 

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So a person was about to go to jail for drawing loli?
Not sure why you would draw the conclusion that he drew them as it is nowhere said that he did, he simply had them on his harddrive. Ironically he could not have even have been convicted in the first place had he drawn the images himself, as according to the Swedish law on child pornography the law does not apply to any work created by the possessor (second sentence under 10 b § in the link).
Wait, so he didn't make anything, he just had some loli on his hard drive? He could have gone to jail for this?
What kind of retarded laws are in that country :blink:
 
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How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

You get a grip of yourself. Even if that opportunity presented itself.....any normal human being just wouldn't look in that remote direction. Whether its a drawing or not, its a gateway to actual real child images imo. Why on earth would you have a pornagraphic fanatasy depiction of a child in the first place????

Your as sick as the fuck in the OP story.....
 
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So a person was about to go to jail for drawing loli?
Not sure why you would draw the conclusion that he drew them as it is nowhere said that he did, he simply had them on his harddrive. Ironically he could not have even have been convicted in the first place had he drawn the images himself, as according to the Swedish law on child pornography the law does not apply to any work created by the possessor (second sentence under 10 b § in the link).
Wait, so he didn't make anything, he just had some loli on his hard drive? He could have gone to jail for this?
What kind of retarded laws are in that country :blink:
many think loli is as bad as actual child porn. since the idea of abusing a child is still there.
and they think there's also a chance that this might lead to child porn/[censored].


How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

You get a grip of yourself. Even if that opportunity presented itself.....any normal human being just wouldn't look in that remote direction. Whether its a drawing or not, its a gateway to actual real child images imo. Why on earth would you have a pornagraphic fanatasy depiction of a child in the first place????

Your as sick as the fuck in the OP story.....
i do get your opinion. but not everyone who faps over images would do it in real life.
it's just a drawing, an imagination, some of them know the boundary between real and one's fantasy.

would i go to jail if enjoy the thought of killing harry potter? but would not actually kill someone resembling him, i'll even help him if he needs help in something.
 
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Will you all still be supporting this guy if it leads to actual child porn? Pics of kids in any pornographic nature is fucked up in my opinion....drawing or not,
he's still fantasising about a child......fucking weirdo imho.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future he's up on actual indecent child images.

You get a grip of yourself. Even if that opportunity presented itself.....any normal human being just wouldn't look in that remote direction. Whether its a drawing or not, its a gateway to actual real child images imo. Why on earth would you have a pornagraphic fanatasy depiction of a child in the first place????

Your as sick as the fuck in the OP story.....
You're entitled to have your own opinion on whether possesion of images of non-existing fictional minors should be illegal or not, but please spend at least two seconds looking at the context before openly speculating about whether Lundström is a pedophile who would commit the crime of possesing child pornography involving real children, calling him a sick fuck. You've made it very clear that you know nothing about the man already, please stop arbitrarily accusing him before you've at least taken an actual look on who he is. This is not some random dude we're talking about, it's the sole Swedish translator of numerous manga works (One Piece, Detective Conan and Neon Genesis Evangelion to name a few) and has a collection of over 4000 comics. Of all the images in this collection and everything else stored on his hard drives, a mere 39 (of which in the end just one was deemed severely offending) were deemed as offending.

Even though he was freed by the supreme court in the end, the man already lost his job as a translator upon the initial ruling and has obviously taken a huge hit to his reputation as a result of all the media coverage following his conviction. The least you could do to respect him is to wait with calling him things like a sick fuck until you've at the very least taken a glimpse on his situation and character.
Wait, so he didn't make anything, he just had some loli on his hard drive? He could have gone to jail for this?
What kind of retarded laws are in that country :blink:
He would have lost the case had he not appealed twice. To name another good law we have in this country: while it's legal to be a prostitute and sell sex, to buy sex is illegal.
 
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While I find Loli and real child porn sick, I am glad that people aren't stupid enough to send a guy to jail for drawing it. I mean, its not a real kid. The whole point of banning child porn is to prevent molestation and sexual abuse (trust me. If child porn was legal there would ve a lot more of it then there is now) loli bypasses the whole point by having the children never exsist.

Also Lostbhoy, there's a huge difference between someone being turned on something when its real, and when its drawn or writen. In fact, the whole reason drawn porn exist is so people can "feel good" without having the partner hurt, take guro, it has HUGE amounts of [censored], murder and torture, that's the whole fucking reason its drawn. If we just flat out say that anything you draw or imagine is just as bad as it being real then I'm pretty sure you could be sent to prison for attempted murder just because you thought about killing someone sometime.
 

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Read about it. the pics he had on his hdd was of "fantasy" children. Ie drawings. So if I draw a child getting raped by a monster. I should be put to jail? No way. Fucking good he good freed.. Freedom of expression thru drawings is important.
Who the fuck defines the age of the girls I draw? Maybe they are 60 year old bags who used youth potions? Others should give a shit what I draw.

Oh and btw, completely unrelevant to this particular post. Watch Indie Game: The Movie. It was great drama ;) Came to think of it cause one of the guys in the movie drew weird monsters when he was a child and his teacher wanted him examined by doctors because of this.
 
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How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

You get a grip of yourself. Even if that opportunity presented itself.....any normal human being just wouldn't look in that remote direction. Whether its a drawing or not, its a gateway to actual real child images imo. Why on earth would you have a pornagraphic fanatasy depiction of a child in the first place????

Your as sick as the fuck in the OP story.....
i do get your opinion. but not everyone who faps over images would do it in real life.
it's just a drawing, an imagination, some of them know the boundary between real and one's fantasy.

He's referring to DoA, not loli.

So a person was about to go to jail for drawing loli?
Not sure why you would draw the conclusion that he drew them as it is nowhere said that he did, he simply had them on his harddrive. Ironically he could not have even have been convicted in the first place had he drawn the images himself, as according to the Swedish law on child pornography the law does not apply to any work created by the possessor (second sentence under 10 b § in the link).
Wait wait wait. So you're saying that if I took CP pictures in Sweden it would be okay because I was the photographer??
 

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Will you all still be supporting this guy if it leads to actual child porn? Pics of kids in any pornographic nature is fucked up in my opinion....drawing or not,
he's still fantasising about a child......fucking weirdo imho.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future he's up on actual indecent child images.
Yeah, and weed leads to heroine. Hurr.
 

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On the one hand, yeah, I definitely can't say I approve of the content this guy was in possession of. On the other hand, I definitely understand that ruling against him could have had some nasty repercussions down the road. So... ugh.
 
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I can only assume those who fight guys case are fans of the same or similar content. Personally, I am of mature enough mind to avoid any of that crap.....whether you feel its an amazing art form or not, the issue remains of the indecent portrayal of children.....real or not, you have to be a sick fuck to work with or enjoy looking at such material.....PERIOD!

So the guy was a translator for sick fucks? Oh, that makes it allright then!! Someone made the point earlier that there is a difference between the real thing and the fake thing, and someone should know the difference.....YES, they should and should also be of mature enough mind to say "No, I will not translate this filth for any amount of money."

I mean.....c'mon.....someone actually had to think of a child in this way in order to portray it as an indecent image. WTF???????? I don't care who you are or what you are, no one can sugar coat this as nothing short of disgusting.
 

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do you by chance play any game, read any book or watch any movie that involves killing? and enjoying it?
then i shall call you murderous bastard.

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i know it's "sick" as what people like you think. and personally i think it's sick.
but if you really think that we are that sick. then we should have already been [email protected] at least 5 children by now.
yet where i live, i am regarded with respect and trust that i wouldn't do such a thing.

just like playing CoD or any game involving violence, some of us know where violence should happen.
 
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