About today’s Florida shooting

[Deleted User]

So you would break the law just... because?... All to put more people at risk??


I'm having trouble trying to get past the mental gymnastics required to get past the fact that you keep saying that firearms are the only real option for self-defense, but then you go on to say that an armed officer could be taken down by a kitchen knife. All I'm really seeing here is that regardless of how armed you are, someone that's armed and intent on committing a crime is going to do it anyway

i would break laws any time
but i prefer not to hurt people

and im saying that guns are the best way to defend yourself
not the only way

 

[Xathya]

Well surely you'd agree then at least that accessibility of guns for the mentally ill is a problem. A fully automatic rifle is far too efficient a killing machine to give away thoughtlessly.

prety surs of backgronds check on sales of gunes. if disable in heads or evens instuctionised no buys can

 

[gnmmarechal]

If you haven’t heard by now, today was a devastating day for humanity as there was a shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. I think this is a topic that shouldn’t be ignored. Here you can find the archived reddit live feed regarding the events. Suspect is a 19 year old, former student of the school who was expelled for disciplinary reasons. As of writing, the police confirmed 17 deaths and 17 injured. Weapon was an AK-15 rifle.

The FBI has set up a website where you can submit photos, videos and other information about the shooting.

First off, my deepest condolescens to all the victims and their families. I hope everybody at gbatemp is save.

There is a terrifying video somewhere on twitter that someone inside the school was filming while they were hiding inside a classroom. You can hear shots fired and students screaming. This is unreal. You go to school thinking it’s just any other normal day and suddenly you find yourself hiding for your life.

Then there were those insensitive “journalists” who were asking kids escaping from the school for details, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? They are shocked for life, leave them be with your stupid questions. Or those who asked a student who posted a picture of his hiding place on twitter, for permission to use his picture for an article, while the suspect was still on the loose! Sometimes you can’t help but wonder if traffic is the only thing those people care about.

Finally, regarding the suspect, I don’t think that a 19 year old should be able to get a hold of a fricking AK-15 or any gun, like, at all. Insert generic “US gun laws must be changed” comment here.

At least they asked.

 

[DeslotlCL]

Oh so I should just take it up the tailpipe and say, "Please sir, may I have another?"

Not exactly. Once again, im not saying that your right of self defense is wrong, what im saying is that your and other users behavior about openly talk about violence and support it in all its forms is what is wrong here.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

and im saying that guns are the best way to defend yourself
not the only way

If guns are indeed the best way, then why would the armed officer not survive the stabbing in your hypothetical?

 

[Deleted User]

If guns are indeed the best way, then why would the armed officer not survive the stabbing in your hypothetical?

suprise stab as they open the door

 

[the_randomizer]

Not exactly. Once again, im not saying that your right of self defense is wrong, what im saying is that your and other users behavior about openly talk about violence and support it in all its forms is what is wrong here.

With all due respect, he said he would "visit me with a gun", so what am I supposed to do, laugh it off? Maybe I should just put him on my ignore list, this thread is nothing but a farce; all talk and nothing resolved. All gun debates never get resolved anyway.

Screw this.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

suprise stab as they open the door

So, if it's that easy, why have a gun for home defense in the first place?

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With all due respect, he said he would "visit me with a gun", so what am I supposed to do, laugh it off? Maybe I should just put him on my ignore list, this thread is nothing but a farce; all talk and nothing resolved. All gun debates never get resolved anyway.

Screw this.

I think Deslot is saying that BlueFox is part of the problem, too

 

[DeslotlCL]

With all due respect, he said he would "visit me with a gun", so what am I supposed to do, laugh it off? Maybe I should just put him on my ignore list, this thread is nothing but a farce; all talk and nothing resolved. All gun debates never get resolved anyway.

Screw this.

You answered yourself. Better to ignore if you can than rather fall in the same violence game.

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So, if it's that easy, why have a gun for home defense in the first place?

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I think Deslot is saying that BlueFox is part of the problem, too

Not only he, but a few others in this thread too. Gash, it is just i cant understand. I csnt see myself posting about stabing someone in the back because idk, that's disgusting.

 

[Polopop123]

Stricter guns laws will work, not letting people with mental problems have them is a must. Doing tests to see if they are in the right mind. However, banning guns will be about as effective as the War on Drugs

 

[WeedZ]

But the defence argument is a fallacy, as I explained above. And it is so because not only you obtain guns, but everybody else also.
You will only become more and more defenceless, guns are way too good for offence, and not so good as a deterrent specially against crazy people.

And also regarding the black market, of course it is a slow process that you have to go through to heal the system.

If you look at this incident as a controlled experiment, it disproves your point.

1. Guns are banned on government and school grounds.

2. The only gun in this area was illegally obtained and wielded by a criminal with mental issues.

3. Those that follow the law, included those charged with safety, were defenseless.

As far as black market. The market for illegal obtaining and trafficking guns is already strong. They go hand in hand with drugs.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Stricter guns laws will work, not letting people with mental problems have them is a must. Doing tests to see if they are in the right mind. However, banning guns will be about as effective as the War on Drugs

Anyone with a lab can grow/refine drugs. It takes precision equipment to make a firearm (3D printed models came up a while ago, but I wouldn't trust them to not jam or explode in your face and the FBI seems to be doing a decent job of keeping the designs off the internet)

 

[Polopop123]

Last school shooting in Europe was somewhere in the 90s.

I'm sorry but anyone saying "it's not the guns, it's the person" is wrong.
It is the ease of access to guns.
Civilians in Europe aren't allowed to have semi-auto weapons or firearms of any kind (excluding hunting rifles with permits n extensive background checks n what not)
The worst we got on school is perhaps a gun flashing or 1 death by a ghost gun but that barely happens.

It's not the guns, it's not the person it's not the parents.
It's the ease of access to firearms
You don't need a firearm to protect your property, a kitchen knife will also do fine.

And if the person is troubled, send him to an institute or w/e.
School knew about his problems and the school already suspended him for bringing a firearm to said school.
The principal could've prevented this, unfortunately in hindsight.


I know I will receive tons of quotes on this post.
Mostly from disgruntled Americans going "muh gun laws, muh second amendment" n what not.
I don't care, it's me personal opinion on the subject and I will be ignoring any quoted posts.

There was a school shooting in Italy last month although thankfully no one was killed. Pretty sure some fatal school shooting happened in the 2000’s in England in a primary school

 

[spinal_cord]

banning guns will be about as effective as the War on Drugs

Worked very well in Australia.

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There was a school shooting in Italy last month although thankfully no one was killed. Pretty sure some fatal school shooting happened in the 2000’s in England in a primary school

Once every few (or longer) years, not every 3 days.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

1. Guns are banned on government and school grounds.

That doesn't mean shit if you can still get and use them in the surrounding area. A restriction has to be widespread to work.

2. The only gun in this area was illegally obtained and wielded by a criminal with mental issues.

According to @Joe88 the gun was purchased legally

3. Those that follow the law, included those charged with safety, were defenseless.

That's null if a would-be shooter can't access guns in the first place

As far as black market. The market for illegal obtaining and trafficking guns is already strong. They go hand in hand with drugs.

The current black market takes legally obtained weapons in circulation that were either traded or stolen and sells them to criminals. If you cut off the supply chain, you don't have a black market

 

[DinohScene]

There was a school shooting in Italy last month although thankfully no one was killed. Pretty sure some fatal school shooting happened in the 2000’s in England in a primary school

According to Wikipedia, there has been a few but most of them (with fatalities above 2 or 3) are either terroristic attacks or madmen running rampant and the school was just in the way.

Still doesn't changes me point much when compares to the annual school shootings in the US.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

According to Wikipedia, there has been a few but most of them (with fatalities above 2 or 3) are either terroristic attacks or madmen running rampant and the school was just in the way.

Still doesn't changes me point much when compares to the annual school shootings in the US.

I think you mean "weekly"

 

[DinohScene]

I think you mean "weekly"

Daily would be more accurate.

 

[DeslotlCL]

Daily would be more accurate.

Every few hours would sound better (?)

 

[Deleted User]

So, if it's that easy, why have a gun for home defense in the first place?

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I think Deslot is saying that BlueFox is part of the problem, too

your just asking the same question over and over again