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U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

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i thought we were, considering this is a forum about ABORTION.
It's impossible to abort a baby as they don't become babies until birth.
You abort fetus. Remember, we've covered this before.

Also, this is a thread about roe v wade, last time I looked gbatemp didn't have a forum about abortion.
 

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By thinking you are smart and getting one over on all the "lefties", you lack self awareness because you can't understand how you actually look.
honestly who cares what i look like online, I'll go on, knowing no one knows who i really am in real life, the worst thing that can happen is i'm "cancelled".
It's impossible to abort a baby as they don't become babies until birth.
You abort fetus. Remember, we've covered this before.
Sorry, I honestly don't remember half the stuff that happens in this forum, considering it's been going on for months, or what feels like months. I'm most likely wrong about this, but goddamnit, I was taught this way, and teachings are hard to break.
 

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By thinking you are smart and getting one over on all the "lefties", you lack self awareness because you can't understand how you actually look.
i know i look stupid, I'm not retarded.

I just make fun of liberals for being stupid, because as the saying goes, it takes a stupid person to know someone stupid.
 

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honestly who cares what i look like online, I'll go on, knowing no one knows who i really am in real life, the worst thing that can happen is i'm "cancelled".
Thing is, by behaving like this on line then it affects how you act in real life. You're just hurting yourself.
 

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Thing is, by behaving like this on line then it affects how you act in real life. You're just hurting yourself.
...not exactly, considering I never go into politics in real life, and if I do, I steer it away quickly.

Political opinions should be reserved to the internet other than saying "Yeah, I voted for him".
 
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Yikes. I thought this thread was winding down, and instead I wake up to 10 new pages of incoherent bickering. People apparently need to learn what "bad faith" means.

"I disagree with and/or don't understand your argument! I call bad faith!"

Uh... no.

At the point of 6 - 8 months, I'd ban abortion completely, since if you've carried it this far, you don't get an out now.

If it'd kill the mother that's a different story, but at this point, if you were a rape victim, I'd say you should have aborted it earlier.
This seems reasonable. Six months should be more than enough time to decide whether you want to keep the rape baby, so allowing abortions in the third trimester shouldn't be necessary for anything other than pregnancy complications that threaten the life of the mother.
 
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...not exactly, considering I never go into politics in real life, and if I do, I steer it away quickly.

Political opinions should be reserved to the internet other than saying "Yeah, I voted for him".
Seriously you can't think the way you do and it not completely fuck up your future.
 
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It's not a saying, it's Forrest Gump. Also, liberals are stupid? Who are your ideas of intellectuals, Marjorie Treason-Green or Lauren Dumbert?
nah, I just call every liberal stupid. Trust me, I think everyone in politics is stupid, even Joe Biden. and that guy is like a hero to (checks approval ratings) 41% of americans. Hell, I think donald trump is stupid, and donald trump is a hero to 95% of my party (which I do not associate with, considering trump was bad, but not as bad as biden.)
 

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Don't you think that before you make a decision for a rape victim, that they deserve that you tried to think that?

All kinds of prejudice, whether it's racism, sexism, etc. Is fundamentally a lack of empathy for that person.

So try to have some empathy, otherwise it appears as if you are prejudiced.

I am showing empathy, for the child and mother. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean I'm not showing it. You want me to do it your way and think like you so you are trying to shame me into submission ... and they call me a control freak.

Posting "sources" like this can get you into a lot of trouble.

First, these are interpretations of more sources - that makes this information a game of telephone right off the bat. You want to get as close to the actual source as possible.

Second, the guttmacher survey article you posted, explicitly attacks the very language you used when trying to use them as your source:


Now, that doesn't mean you can't source the guttmacher surveys and draw your own conclusions. You may disagree with Guttmacher's assessment here. But when your "source" is drawing a different conclusion than you from the same data, it seriously weakens the entire point of you sourcing someone.

I'd strongly recommend sourcing from reputable sources, and not skimming off the fat with opinion pieces in Google - it's just adding unnecessary information and poisoning the argument, regardless of the topic.

Here's the paragraph you quoted.

Yet some broad concepts emerged from the study. A cross-cutting theme was women's responsibility to children and other dependents, as well as considerations about children they may have in the future. Most women in every age, parity, relationship, racial, income and education category cited concern for or responsibility to other individuals as a factor in their decision to have an abortion. In contrast to the perception (voiced by politicians and laypeople across the ideological spectrum) that women who choose abortion for reasons other than rape, incest and life endangerment do so for "convenience,"13 our data suggest that after carefully assessing their individual situations, women base their decisions largely on their ability to maintain economic stability and to care for the children they already have.

You didn't include the full text of what you quoted, which makes your quote and comment dishonest and misleading. I put in bold the main reasons. You're also taking it out of context. You need to read the entire study any pay attention to the percentages of the reasons given. You tried to invalidate the entire study because of a simple opinion. However, I consider the "women base their decisions largely on their ability to maintain economic stability and to care for the children they already have" as a convenience, which I've already stated in my previous posts what qualifies as a convenience. They aren't having abortions because their life is in danger from complications or that they were raped. They are having abortions because of the fact that they simply don't want the child for economic factors. That's at least some of the the results from that specific study.

Let's say that even if the 3rd link I gave didn't give you overall percentages of why women are having abortions the previous two did and all 3 of their figures are similar. That's not a coincidence. You're just trying to attack the source because you think for some reason that I'm using it to prove a point. The original topic was brought up when smf asked about what convenience when another user mentioned they rather not see an abortion done for convenience. I answered smf by posting 2 links that gave reasons why women have abortions. I personally could care less if the percentages were lower or higher. I was just trying to answer his question. So are you saying that all 3 sources results are incorrect? If so then why do these following sources give around the same results as the 3 did? The top reasons for abortions all fall under the convenience umbrella.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3243347/

https://unplannedpregnancy.com/abortion/making-your-abortion-decision/why-do-women-get-abortions/

https://www.abortionclinics.com/why-do-women-have-abortions/

https://illinoisrighttolife.org/why-do-women-have-abortions/

https://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/why-do-women-really-have-abortions

Here knock yourself out. The results literally list hundreds of sites giving the same reasons, some with percentages some not. If the reasons were different I'd state that they are different, but they are not. Most women have abortions out convenience factors. If this wasn't the case I'd say most get them for rape, incest, medical issues or whatnot, but they don't.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=why+do+women+have+abortions&ia=web

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I consider economic factors to be factors of convenience. Can't afford your kid so you get an abortion? Convenience/economic factor. Didn't plan on getting pregnant? Convenience/economic factor. Bad Timing? Financial Concerns? Relationship Problems? Caring for Other Children? Convenience/economic factors!

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Why Do Women Have Abortions?​

90% of women give multiple reasons for why they are seeking an abortion. The following are the most popular reasons women give according to the Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provided in the country:

74% of women say a child would dramatically change their life in this way:

38% say a child would interfere with their education

38% say a child would interfere with their job

32% say they have other dependents

73% of women say they can’t afford a baby right now because:

42% say because they are unmarried

34% say because they are a student or are planning to study

28% say they can’t afford a baby and child care

23% say they can’t afford the basic needs of life

22% say because they are unemployed

48% of women who say they don’t want to be a single mom or are having relationship problems in this way:

19% say they are unsure about their relationship

11% say relationship may break up or end soon

38% of women say they have decided they’ve completed their childbearing years

32% say they are not ready for another child

25% say they do not want people to know they had sex or got pregnant

14% husband wanted her to have an abortion

6% say parents wanted her to have an abortion

12% say possible problems with their health

1% of women said they were aborting because they were raped

Less than .05% of women gave the reason because of incest

Source: https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

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Most are done for convenience (that includes economic factors)! I'm not making this shit up out of thin air.
 
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This seems reasonable. Six months should be more than enough time to decide whether you want to keep the rape baby, so allowing abortions in the third trimester shouldn't be necessary for anything other than pregnancy complications that threaten the life of the mother.
This is the current discipline in Great Britain.
 

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This seems reasonable. Six months should be more than enough time to decide whether you want to keep the rape baby, so allowing abortions in the third trimester shouldn't be necessary for anything other than pregnancy complications that threaten the life of the mother.
Six months is actually longer than roe v wade gives you a right to, which is kinda insane from a pro lifer.

It's a flawed plan to allow abortions up to six months in the case of rape and 0 months for everyone else.
 
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nah, I just call every liberal stupid. Trust me, I think everyone in politics is stupid, even Joe Biden. and that guy is like a hero to (checks approval ratings) 41% of americans. Hell, I think donald trump is stupid, and donald trump is a hero to 95% of my party (which I do not associate with, considering trump was bad, but not as bad as biden.)
And that is why you fail.
 
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So it's a saying, just a saying from a movie.
A "saying" is an idiomatic expression in language, not a quote.

nah, I just call every liberal
I'm sure they have even prettier names for you.

considering trump was bad, but not as bad as biden
Lol and you have the audacity to call others stupid 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


They aren't having abortions because their life is in danger from complications or that they were raped. They are basing on abortions on the fact that they simply don't want the child for economic factors. That's at least some of the the results from that specific study.
Or in other words, they're concerned that they wouldn't be able to guarantee a certain standard of life for their kid. Which is what any reasonable person would do. The fact that you dismiss it as "convenience reasoning" as it if were some sort of negative thing is concerning, and shows that like all anti-abortionists, you're in fact a heartless hypocrite who cares for neither mother nor kid.
 

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