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Lantix people who don't speak English is a lot higher than the proportion of White people
Latino and white aren't mutually exclusive. Latino is a cultural term independent of race. You can have white, black and native latinos, although most are a mix to some degree.

On the topic of language, immigrants should learn English. It would be rightfully considered rude and disrespectful if I moved to, say, France, didn't learn French and expected every native I encountered to be able to speak intelligible English, so why not the other way around? I don't care what language you speak in your own house, you can speak Swahili for all I care, but it should be a reasonable standard to expect immigrants to learn the native language of the country they are moving to. Saying that websites and such should be bilingual and available in Spanish, not to mention using buzz-terms like 'communities of colour' (as if latino and/or things like Mexican is a race when it's not), and claiming something as silly as 'old black people are disadvantaged because they understand technology less' (which is also kind of patronising, don't you think?) is just pandering for progressive points. I know people like you don't seriously believe things like this, you are just collecting progressive points because it's down with the kids to say things like this. Well, let me tell you something: This kind of thing isn't cool, it's just annoying and edgy, and terms like 'people of colour' and saying that old black and latino people are dumber than old white people (I'm not taking it out of context, that essentially is what you're saying) is just patronising. Yes, there are leftovers from the segregation era, this kind of thing takes time to heal, but patronising the affected people isn't helping anything. Reinventing something as utterly irrelevant as terminology and speech does not do anything for actual blacks and latinos who are stuck in poor neighbourhoods, and just marks you out as the kind of person who wants progressive points and is terrified of offending someone.

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Learning a new language is surprisingly difficult
No shit, moving to a new country is difficult. It's part of the process.

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From the same poll, it's a lot more than that 2-3% who use the term who think it should be used. 13% of those who have heard it also use it, and 33% of those who have heard it think it should be used. The numbers increase as the age group decreases. When it comes to the questions about what they use and what should be used, they were also given a choice between options. The results of the poll don't contradict anything I've said, and they don't suggest any sort of outrage against the term. Anecdotally, I sent out a mass text to my Latinx friends, and the unanimous answer I got was "Latinx."

Once again, you're being disingenuous. The issue isn't whether or not you should respond to a topic in the thread. The issue is whether you should respond directly to my posts and mischaracterize my words. If you physically cannot control yourself from responding to my posts, then I just won't post on this site anymore. Honestly, good riddance to the toxicity in this community.
You've literally been told by a latino that it's a retard SJW term that actual latinos don't use, like person of colour for black people. Stop doubling down and admit fault. You use buzzwords to get woke points. You're doing exactly what Jeremy Cortard does with the working class: You're trying to tell blacks and latinos what they should say and what is good for them, when really you have no idea what those groups actually want or need.
 
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Latino and white aren't mutually exclusive. Latino is a cultural term independent of race. You can have white, black and native latinos, although most are a mix to some degree.

On the topic of language, immigrants should learn English. It would be rightfully considered rude and disrespectful if I moved to, say, France, didn't learn French and expected every native I encountered to be able to speak intelligible English, so why not the other way around? I don't care what language you speak in your own house, you can speak Swahili for all I care, but it should be a reasonable standard to expect immigrants to learn the native language of the country they are moving to. Saying that websites and such should be bilingual and available in Spanish, not to mention using buzz-terms like 'communities of colour' (as if latino and/or things like Mexican is a race when it's not), and claiming something as silly as 'old black people are disadvantaged because they understand technology less' (which is also kind of patronising, don't you think?) is just pandering for progressive points. I know people like you don't seriously believe things like this, you are just collecting progressive points because it's down with the kids to say things like this. Well, let me tell you something: This kind of thing isn't cool, it's just annoying and edgy, and terms like 'people of colour' and saying that old black and latino people are dumber than old white people (I'm not taking it out of context, that essentially is what you're saying) is just patronising. Yes, there are leftovers from the segregation era, this kind of thing takes time to heal, but patronising the affected people isn't helping anything. Reinventing something as utterly irrelevant as terminology and speech does not do anything for actual blacks and latinos who are stuck in poor neighbourhoods, and just marks you out as the kind of person who wants progressive points and is terrified of offending someone.

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No shit, moving to a new country is difficult. It's part of the process.

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You've literally been told by a latino that it's a retard SJW term that actual latinos don't use, like person of colour for black people. Stop doubling down and admit fault. You use buzzwords to get woke points. You're doing exactly what Jeremy Cortard does with the working class: You're trying to tell blacks and latinos what they should say and what is good for them, when really you have no idea what those groups actually want or need.
okay clearly this has devolved into an insult lobbing ragefest (like dude you went on a paragraph long rant accusing Lacius of just pandering for progressive points... when really he's just not pandering to anyone, which includes you, me, shamzie and everyone else in this thread)
this is a tangential argument nobody will ever win because you'll keep spamming pathos and accusing us of not believing what we're saying, and we won't put up with it
reminds me of a line from Hamilton
"Can we get back to politics? Please? Yo."
 

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okay clearly this has devolved into an insult lobbing ragefest (like dude you went on a paragraph long rant accusing Lacius of just pandering for progressive points... when really he's just not pandering to anyone, which includes you, me, shamzie and everyone else in this thread)
this is a tangential argument nobody will ever win because you'll keep spamming pathos and accusing us of not believing what we're saying, and we won't put up with it
reminds me of a line from Hamilton
"Can we get back to politics? Please? Yo."

Or you could respect their language and their community who have wholeheartedly rejected the term Latinx. Don't expect me to respect your pronouns when you so easily dismiss their wishes. Funny how it's "white knighting over a one letter vague gender difference" when it doesn't directly affect you but If i use the wrong pronouns or say anything you actually care about all hell breaks loose. You're wrong. Own it and move on.
 

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Or you could respect their language and their community who have wholeheartedly rejected the term Latinx. Don't expect me to respect your pronouns when you so easily dismiss their wishes. Funny how it's "white knighting over a one letter vague gender difference" when it doesn't directly affect you but If i use the wrong pronouns or say anything you actually care about all hell breaks loose. You're wrong. Own it and move on.
I'm happy to call individuals how they want to be called, but you can't really say the community as a whole rejects it... when that is literally not the case.
Oh, and by the way: pronouns are ENTIRELY an individual thing, so not respecting pronouns is just being a dick to specific individuals and has nothing to do with the 'will of the community', so fuck off. Simple as that.
This entire thing was you a) shoving the conversation down an irrelevant tangent and b) proving how hypocritically bigoted you can be.
Own it, respect pronouns, and move on.
 

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Or you could respect their language and their community who have wholeheartedly rejected the term Latinx. Don't expect me to respect your pronouns when you so easily dismiss their wishes. Funny how it's "white knighting over a one letter vague gender difference" when it doesn't directly affect you but If i use the wrong pronouns or say anything you actually care about all hell breaks loose. You're wrong. Own it and move on.
the sad part is chances are you have no clue what Minority communities in another county want or deal with... its just sounds like your mad that the you have to learn new words ....
 

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the sad part is chances are you have no clue what Minority communities in another county want or deal with... its just sounds like your mad that the you have to learn new words ....
honestly it is kinda sad
because we all know shamzie doesn't give two fucks about the whims of other people, especially those that are (gasp!) different from him in major ways
he's just latching onto this as an excuse to justify his bigotry
problem is, there is no excuse
his argument, when you remove all the ad hominem attacks, exaggeration and deliberate misinterpretation, amounts to "you're trying too hard to be accepting and just being cringy"
but thing is, it's far better to try too hard than to actively refuse to try at all
and shamzie refuses to try at all
 

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the sad part is chances are you have no clue what Minority communities in another county want or deal with... its just sounds like your mad that the you have to learn new words ....

1. It's not a word, 2 I don't have too learn it. 3, they're also in your country. So much ignorance in such a short space but you never surprise me.

honestly it is kinda sad
because we all know shamzie doesn't give two fucks about the whims of other people, especially those that are (gasp!) different from him in major ways
he's just latching onto this as an excuse to justify his bigotry
problem is, there is no excuse
his argument, when you remove all the ad hominem attacks, exaggeration and deliberate misinterpretation, amounts to "you're trying too hard to be accepting and just being cringy"
but thing is, it's far better to try too hard than to actively refuse to try at all
and shamzie refuses to try at all

You've been told many times in this thread alone that the Latino community reject the term. There's also lots of proof through surveys. Oh no my bad, the White saviours of the Democratic party know best. I didn't expect you to admit you're wrong I expected you too double down, which you happily did because you're incapable of ever admitting you're wrong and conceding a point, despite the overwhelming evidence against your narrative and being told by Latino's IN THIS THREAD, but you know best.
 
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You've been told many times in this thread alone that the Latino community reject the term. There's also lots of proof through surveys. Oh no my bad, the White saviours of the Democratic party know best. I didn't expect you to admit you're wrong I expected you too double down, which you happily did because you're incapable of ever admitting you're wrong and conceding a point, despite the overwhelming evidence against your narrative and being told by Latino's IN THIS THREAD, but you know best.
alrighty
I'll go with male-default (Latino as gender neutral)
if you stop being such an arrogant asshole, cease using this argument as an excuse and respect people's pronouns
oh and cut the trolly crap too
your phrasing is like 50% ragebait, 40% trolling and 10% actual argument
the 10% argument is actually solid for once but the other 90% needs to go
 

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alrighty
I'll go with male-default (Latino as gender neutral)
if you stop being such an arrogant asshole, cease using this argument as an excuse and respect people's pronouns
oh and cut the trolly crap too

Not trolling, stop clambering for progressive points and when told you're wrong doubling down. Cool.
 

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Not trolling, stop clambering for progressive points and when told you're wrong doubling down. Cool.
I stopped with the Latinx thing. That's over, that point is dead.
Oh, and you absolutely are trolling, let's go through the points.
1. It's not a word, 2 I don't have too learn it. 3, they're also in your country. So much ignorance in such a short space but you never surprise me.



You've been told many times in this thread alone that the Latino community reject the term. There's also lots of proof through surveys. Oh no my bad, the White saviours of the Democratic party know best. I didn't expect you to admit you're wrong I expected you too double down, which you happily did because you're incapable of ever admitting you're wrong and conceding a point, despite the overwhelming evidence against your narrative and being told by Latino's IN THIS THREAD, but you know best.
"Oh no my bad, the White saviours of the Democratic party know best. I didn't expect you to admit you're wrong I expected you too double down, which you happily did because you're incapable of ever admitting you're wrong and conceding a point, despite the overwhelming evidence against your narrative and being told by Latino's IN THIS THREAD, but you know best."
All of this. Everything in bold in that quote is blatant trolling.
Cut it out.
Oh, and the "stop clambering for progressive points" is bullshit as previously established. There are no "progressive points", the only 'reward' for being decent and trying to be acceptive when possible (albeit with occasional missteps, which are NOT excuses to attack the entire concept) is getting mobbed en masse by linguistic Luddites that insist on no progress being made even for those that do want it.
I'm not progressive because it's rewarding (it really isn't), I'm progressive because I'd rather put in effort to be a decent human being with the risk of occasionally going too far than sit on a throne of laziness and bigotry refusing to put in ANY effort.
 

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I think everyone had their say at this point, @Plasmaster09 is right, let's not engage in a mud-flinging contest. It's fair to say that no new information was added throughout the last page of the conversation - the statistics are out there, how one chooses to interpret the numbers is up to them, be it generously or conservatively. We should probably move on to the next subject on the agenda, whatever that may be.
 
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I think everyone had their say at this point, @Plasmaster09 is right, let's not engage in a mud-flinging contest. It's fair to say that no new information was added throughout the last page of the conversation - the statistics are out there, how one chooses to interpret the numbers is up to them, be it generously or conservatively. We should probably move on to the next subject on the agenda, whatever that may be.
Coincidentally enough, the first relevant 'next subject' I can think of is the hopefully-upcoming Equality Act (tl;dr for anyone still unaware, it's basically going to amend the Civil Rights Act to properly protect the LGBTQ+ community from discrimination), and Biden's recent speech thereof.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...introduction-of-the-equality-act-in-congress/
Of course, as you'd expect, there's the occasional outlet here or there pissing themselves over it with arguments tl;dring to either "once LGBTQ+ people have actual full rights, you'll be 'mistreated' for discriminating against them" as if discrimination is just fine and dandy, or even more bizarrely and somehow from an alleged POV of feminism, "giving them rights will harm ours" (?!?!). (I'm not referring to anyone in this thread, I'm referring to one or two articles I've seen on it, as well as the fact that said articles seem to consist mostly of extreme hyperbole and very little of actual explanation on why it's in any way bad.)

like what?
protecting LGBTQ+ people from discrimination isn't going to magically open up holes protecting other groups from discrimination
that's not how any of that works
and if you're unwilling to let other groups have the same anti-discrimination protections you do because that would entail letting some of them be defined as within your group (read: TERFs/FARTs being pissy about it because it would involve trans people actually being defined as the gender they identify as, which they're mad about for various reasons, all of which hold zero water), that is entirely your bigotry and your problem.
 
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How am I deflecting?
When someone does and says racist things, and then does something that could be perceived as racist, it's a lot more likely that it IS racist
You mean like... “If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black”?
Or bussing will turn schools into “a jungle. A racial jungle”?

voting against the civil rights act? Voting against desegregation?

You Democrats kill me. Forever thinking you’re on the right side of racism. https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_republican.html
 
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You mean like... “If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black”?
Or bussing will turn schools into “a jungle. A racial jungle”?

You Democrats kill me. Forever thinking you’re on the right side of racism. https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_republican.html
Genetic fallacy.
The parties changed a LOT since then, and after Nixon's Southern-strategy shenanigans they basically swapped entirely.
"I'm e-eager to hear."
Nice try.
 

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Genetic fallacy.
The parties changed a LOT since then, and after Nixon's Southern-strategy shenanigans they basically swapped entirely.

"I'm e-eager to hear."
Nice try.
Yea... the party flip lie that you swallow just like you swallow the Republicans are the racist ones. How about looking at what ACTUALLY happened at the exact moment this was supposed to have taken place? Most of the civil rights “no” votes were Democrats. A bunch of southern states that were Blue, saw this, and had a fleeting moment of clarity, voting the Democrats the hell out. In Congress? A grand total of 1 Democrat switched sides to join the Republican Party. There’s your “flip”.
 

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Or, hear me out: you could stop needlessly deflecting and white-knighting over a one-letter vague gender difference for a group none of us are part of AFAIK, and actually tackle our arguments head-on.
Pandemic response: Trump refused to take basically any action unless it was too late, politicized mask-wearing, touted unproven and possibly dangerous remedies, KEPT POLITICIZING MASK-WEARING (resulting in likely being the primary cause of the large quantity of mask-denying, selfish, stubborn plague-spreading dumbfucks ruining the safety of everyone around them)... yeah.
Just under 500k people have died of the coronavirus in the US. It may have caught the whole world unawares, but thing is: 1) Trump knew how serious things were in early February, and we have him ON RECORDING deliberately downplaying it and planning to do so (source: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/9111...ess-of-the-coronavirus-early-on-new-book-says), and 2) he did basically everything he could to AVOID a proper response.
Trump. Made. This. Pandemic. Worse. On. Purpose.
Border separation: Seriously? Small children being separated from their families at the border? Regardless of party lines, that's just plain fucked up... and that's before you consider the concentration-camp-level-awful conditions the kids were put in. I am not using a shred of hyperbole there- the camps really were that horrible.
Foreign power: Trump tried to strongman Ukraine into digging up dirt on Biden and family. That's basically it.
Voter fraud: Erm, "it happens from both sides" isn't an excuse here. Trump lost, BADLY (so badly that it turned Georgia blue), and then proceeded to actively deny it and claim he won for months. If he hadn't lied his ass off about voter fraud, things would've likely proceeded smoothly, and more importantly...
The insurrection: It wouldn't have happened if not for Trump whining like the sore loser he is and actively refusing to admit defeat in the fucking presidential election. He claimed it was 'stolen' from him (despite every argument they proposed to back that getting absolutely shattered when it actually came to court, as the claims held no water), told his supporters to "stop the steal" and that they would have to "fight like hell" in order to "stop" said "steal". The key here is that unlike the out-of-context blip clips used to (badly) defend his statements during the impeachment trial, Trump actively told his supporters to fight for him to basically cheat him the election victory. He even said he'd be there with them trying to 'stop the steal' (though he wasn't, due to his other primary trait beyond greed and narcissism being cowardice), and OUTRIGHT REFUSED TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD. And then there's the matter of the other call, the one where he responds to basically "sir, your base is trying a coup and they want to lynch the VP, FUCKING DO SOMETHING" with "I guess they care more about the truth of the election than you do, huh?".
Yeah.
There are so many falsehoods in there that I couldn't ignore this. Honestly, one can only come to believe all of this by taking over what 'news' channels like CNN feeds you without doing your own research.

1) Masks are not effective. In fact, it's even bad for your health to use the same cloth mask for prolonged periods of time like most people do. Just because Fauci or the opposition says something doesn't makes it true.

2) That 500k death toll claim is ridiculous. Do you even know how covid cases and deaths are diagnosed or the statistical hijinx that are pulled? One of the most absurd examples I know of is a Croatian man dying because he falls of a ladder, but he's counted as a covid victim because "covid caused him to get dizzy and fall". First off, the flu is reported to practically have vanished (for 95%). In the Netherlands for example the absense of deaths due to flu and other causes balances out the reported covid deaths, meaning there's no legitimate cause for acting as if more people died than normally; the amount of deaths is within the range of what's normal across the last years. It's no different for the USA. And you also can't just say take the CNN (or whatever channel you watch) death ticker as if that number represents the absolute severity of the matter. There's a major difference between dying BECAUSE OF or dying WITH covid. Speaking in terms of the big picture, most people who don't survive it are old or have comorbidities. Those are the same people who are just as likely to not survive something like a influenza (and no, influenza isn't an innocent virus and that's considering the current state of affairs where have flu jabs (a vaccine)), noro or rinovirus infection. And on top of that there's the unreliability of the PCR tests that much policy is based on. Even the WHO is now (too late) admitting that the number of false positives is too high.

3) When the former President issued a travel ban on China everybody was pissed that he took action because it was allegedly xenophobic and the likes of Pelosi even encouraged mass gatherings in response. I can also write a lot of stuff in a book, but that doesn't makes it true, even if I'm feeding you the words you want to hear. Besides, that guy took an awful long time before coming out with his 'breaking news'. It reeks of self-interest. As for trying to downplay things, I'd take that over intentionally frightening people. Fear is a bad advisor. Things like showing a Chinese guy dropping dead on the street (turned out to be a heart failure), or rows of coffings with covid victims in Italy (turned out those pictures also showed up in articles from years prior, except the coffins contained refugees who died crossing the Mediterranean sea) or death/infection tickers without giving any nuance or context to the numbers. Mortality is the most fragile point of the human psyche, which is why you normally approach such topics with more sensitivity, but this time they threw all of that out of the window and opted to select the most nasty and terrifying choice of words they could come up with. One year later we know that covid's mortality rate is close to flu-range mortality (0.16% vs covid's 0.23% to cite the Netherlands' case), but a disproportionate amount of fear has been instilled in people by marketing the virus as a killer virus that belongs in the same street as ebola. People who live in the tropes and deal with diseases that are beyond question much nastier and deadlier than anything we face are much more sober than how we're responding to covid en masse. So yes, I'd actually appreciate a leader who doesn't wants to frighten his people.

4) Claiming Trump tried to worsen the 'pandemic' (it's only a pandemic because the WHO adjusted the criteria of when something's a pandemic) and get people killed on purpose? That's just hilarious. If anything, a claim like that would be more at home with the Democrat who pushed for and imposed lockdowns. Lockdowns are not proven to be effective, but the collateral damage is catastrophic on so many fronts (financial, sociological, psychological, etc.) and it exceeds any imagined gains. Even the WHO is saying that lockdowns aren't meant to be used like that. Places like Sweden, Japan an Florida are examples that show that you aren't off worse without lockdowns compared to places like Ney York and California, but Democrats and ,Democrat governors in particular, imposed draconian lockdowns regardlessly. It doesn't gets closer to worsening things on purpose than that.

5) Do you even know anything about how things work when it comes to the border? I'm not going to claim things are perfect, but anyone who works at border patrol can tell you that things aren't as cut and dry as news channels are having you believe. Human smuggling and child smuggling is a big problem at the southern border and there's such a thing as "fake families" . Doing nothing out of the goodness of our hearts is also not an option. It's not like Trump invented this policy, he upped the ante with the whole zero-tolerance stuff. Just the media outrage wasn't as present in years prior doesn't means the situation was fine and dandy at the border beforehand - it just didn't warrant TV time.

6) Trump was well within his rights to ask Ukrain to look into Biden's actions. Biden's son was on the board of Burisma (with zero experience in that particular sector). The company which was under investigation, which included Hunter Biden himself. Joe Biden even bragged on camera that he (sucessfully) threatened to withold a billion dollars of aid if Ukrain didn't fire the prosecutor. This isn't up for debate, he bragged about it ON CAMERA. That's called corruption and there's no legimate reason to not investigate it. Doing so isn't strongarming a country to dig up dirt on someone. Besides, Biden hadn't even announced he was going to run for presidency back then, so the notion of Trump trying to eliminate a political opponent doesn't holds up either.

7) There are legimate concerns about the election. Unsollicited voting by mail is logically more prone to fraud because the chain of custody is longer and contains more weak links where things can go wrong. There is plenty of evidence of fraud. There are more people who have reported under oath that misconduct took place (running same ballots multiple tie through the machine, barring Republican pollwatchers from doing their jobs, etc.). In some cases there was even video footage supporting this (Georgia...). You also can't explain to me with a straight face why Biden, who hardly even campaigned, did worse than Hillary everywhere except for the exact places that actually mattered thanks to the counting of votes stopping and dumps of ballots coming in almost exclusively for Biden. A statistical anomaly can happen, but every exact right spot at the exact same time? That's fishy at the very least. Proper audits were never conducted. Just recounting votes serves no purpose if you don't do things like signature verification; I recall that during Bush v Gore every ballot was scrutinized meticulously, didn't happen this time. And not to mention the unconstitutional election rule changes in the swing states. That's beyond debate, but you and likeminded folks conveniently gloss over that. The swing states changed their election rules without going through the state legislature and following proper procedure as they pushed for mail-in-voting and removing as many integrity measures as possible (e.g. signature verification). That's in violation of theie state constitutions and by proxy the constitution IIRC. The fact of the matter is that the courts, even SCOTUS, refused to rule on the merits and dismissed the cases on procedural grounds such as standing and being "too late". If you can't make your case, you can't present your evidence. Getting dismissed on procedural grounds does not equal your arguments getting shattered. That's a fallacy. Officially there's no answer given to the question of whether the election was stolen and the Biden camp and supporters should have welcomed proper investigation the case coming before a judge if only to prove their point once and for all. If the case was judged on the merits, then no room for debate on the matter anymore, but that didn't happen and so people can rightly believe that the election was straight from a banana republic.

8) Ah, there it is, the insurrection! I find it funny how people can act like this was the worst thing ever. On footage you see barriers being removed to let people in. Instead of storming the building you them walking inside, even following the path like a bunch of tourists. Most people who were in Washington did not invade the Capitol. Your rhetoric about Trump inciting people to "fight for him" is dishonest. News outlets as well as the Democrats during the impeachment trial have used doctored footage where they didn't show the entire clip. He clearly instructed people to "peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard". No sane person person who listened to the entire speech can claim in his/her honest mind that Trump incited people to violently storm the Capitol. Even in terms of the timeline it doesn't makes sense, because he was still giving his speech when people started entering the building. And considering what has been reported and the footage I've seen there's no doubt in my mind that there were Antifa and BLM fellows present there to shake things up in a bad way. And if you want to talk about 'inciting' rhetoric, let's remember how many Democrats have been using similar and even worse rhetoric over the last year. That's ranging from things like telling people to get in the faces of representatives to encouriging the BLM riots (which were objectively worse in damage, deaths and intensity than what happened at the Capitol) and the hateful "make them pay!" rhetoric towards Trump supporters. The Trump defense team presented a nice montage of Democrats in their own words violating the same standards they tried to impose on Trump, which is highly hypocritical. If you think Trump went to far, then you are obligated to also feel the same about many Democrats. Last, but no least, let's not pretend this was a unique event. I recall how the Capitol also got invaded by people during the Kavanaugh confirmations with people banging loudly on the doors in intimidating fashion.
 
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