Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[Lacius]

Why do you insist on saying Latinx when even Latino's and Latina's dont say this, infact they hate this. Their language has Male and Female words. All you're doing is reinforcing that you actually don't care or know anything about them. If you did, you'd refer to them correctly. It always amuses me because If I didn't 'use someone's preferred pronoun's' you'd be the first too cry but here you are, purposefully ignoring what they themselves prefer because you're disingenuous at best and ignorant at worst.

Anyway i believe the rest of your points was 'the internet is racist' white privilege, systemic racism, racism racism etc and third point was racism? cool.

I must admit it's crazy to see the Biden defence force jump in too save him every time he says something racist though. Like the 94 crime bill wasn't enough. If Trump had said half of what Biden has you'd all be screeching like the rabid dog's you are but because It's Biden you're twisting yourself inside out to find ways to defend his blatant racism. Liberal privilege is real folks.

Latinx = latino and latina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx

 

[Doran754]

...you all yell "racist!" at Biden when he literally just cites an article, but have no problem with Trump's campaign being built on racism and xenophobia (mostly towards Mexicans for whatever reason)?
really?
y'all are hypocrites.

Why don't you ask Black or Latin people if what he said was racist. lol as if.

Latinx = latino and latina

No, Latinx = White people pushing their agenda on a community that doesn't want it. THEY don't say it, spanish words have genders. Respect them. LOL jk of course you won't.

 

[Lacius]

Why don't you ask Black or Latin people if what he said was racist. lol as if.


No, Latinx = White people pushing their agenda on a community that doesn't want it. THEY don't say it, spanish words have genders. Respect them. LOL jk of course you won't.

I'm not pushing an agenda. People who speak Spanish don't say a lot of things I say. I speak English.

 

[Foxi4]

they're not the only two perspectives, but they are antithetical ideas. to have such differect conceptual frameworks and refuse to see how one impacts the other? of course this issue has ethical implications. of course it's an ethical issue. this is usually the divide that has to be bridged: the ethical imperative and the resource limitations tying our hands. but it's important to, at minimim, admit that it should be bridged.

many of the limitations are of our own creation and could be more easily fixed with a refocused goal. though this much is true for many, many "hot-button" issues in politics. basically, it boils down to this: if you see education just as training, then you do not understand the concept of education.

That's fair, as long as you're open to the idea that perhaps there's a different explanation besides "well, I guess they're just evil".

Latinx = latino and latina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx

"The term was first seen online around 2004. It has later been used in social media by activists, students, and academics who seek to advocate for individuals living on the borderlines of gender identity. Surveys of Hispanic and Latino Americans have found that most prefer other terms such as Hispanic and Latina/Latino to describe themselves, and that only 2 to 3 percent use Latinx. A 2020 Pew Research Center survey found that 23% of U.S. adults who self-identified as Hispanic or Latino were aware of the term Latinx, and that of those, 65% said it should not be used to describe their ethnic group."

Sounds forced to me, but alright.

Success driven payments, based on future earnings.

Not a bad shout. Incentives paid based on results are a better solution than advance payments.

 

[Valwinz]

Biden destroying texas with green energy bs

BOMBSHELL: Biden administration blocked Texas from increasing power as Texas begged for help a week before catastrophic polar vortex.

Texas asked to temporarily lift regulations on energy output to avoid disaster. Biden's DOE refused to help due to "green energy standards". pic.twitter.com/Zt52hT8dzL

— ✨⃤djcalligraphy (@DJcalligraphy) February 21, 2021

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Latinx = latino and latina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx

Latino here stop using that dumb word nobody here likes it

 

[Lacius]

Biden destroying texas with green energy bs

If you read the letter, the Biden administration granted the request from Texas to increase power. They didn't block it. The only BS here is your post.

Green energy/green energy standards had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in Texas.

Latino here stop using that dumb word nobody here likes it

I didn't say you weren't Latino. Latinx refers to Latinos and Latinas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx

Frankly, I'm uninterested in having a semantic argument about whether I should use "Latinx" or "Latino/Latina." They mean literally the same thing in English.

"The term was first seen online around 2004. It has later been used in social media by activists, students, and academics who seek to advocate for individuals living on the borderlines of gender identity. Surveys of Hispanic and Latino Americans have found that most prefer other terms such as Hispanic and Latina/Latino to describe themselves, and that only 2 to 3 percent use Latinx.

I'm not Latino/Latina/Latinx.

As I said above, I'm uninterested in having a semantic argument about whether I should use "Latinx" or "Latino/Latina." They mean literally the same thing in English.

Edit: Also, you don't need to respond to my posts unless it's as a moderator. If I could, you'd be blocked.

 

[Foxi4]

As I said above, I'm uninterested in having a semantic argument about whether I should use "Latinx" or "Latino/Latina." They mean literally the same thing in English.

Edit: Also, you don't need to respond to my posts unless it's as a moderator. If I could, you'd be blocked.

The prevailing consensus is that we should call people what *they* want to be called, not what you think is the correct term, or so I was told. Latinx is an English neologism, a construct that's alien to the Latino community. Using a term they've rejected is patronising, and a form of English imperialism. They know what they want to be called better than you do, and if they fancied the term themselves, they would've adopted it. They haven't.

I'll also respond to whatever I fancy responding to, you can choose to ignore it by scrolling away.

 

[FAST6191]

As I said above, I'm uninterested in having a semantic argument about whether I should use "Latinx" or "Latino/Latina." They mean literally the same thing in English.

And you accuse me of using terms and phrasing that sees people running for the dictionary.

But still. Convince me, or others here, of the merits of using such a term. Seems like a weird and pointless construction from where I sit that has no real adoption, unlikely to see any, and scarcely any basis for its existence even then (and that even if I accepted the premise that "gendered language bad").

That or we can dodge another pointless aside.

Not sure what else has happened in the last few days. Nothing of great merit, though again colour of the tie or nature of the man at the helm of the el presidente matters little when it gets down to it.

 

[Xzi]

Not sure what else has happened in the last few days. Nothing of great merit, though again colour of the tie or nature of the man at the helm of the el presidente matters little when it gets down to it.

So far, Biden is doing almost everything he said he'd be doing in his first hundred days. He broke his promise on the deportation moratorium, but his administration is still working on immigration reform, including a path to citizenship. Partial credit there I guess.

Bottom line: it doesn't take much to upstage Trump's presidency. A pet rock could probably do it, especially when it comes to matters that require a show of empathy or solidarity. Makes Valwinz's attempts at concern trolling even funnier.

 

[FAST6191]

So far, Biden is doing almost everything he said he'd be doing in his first hundred days. He broke his promise on the deportation moratorium, but his administration is still working on immigration reform, including a path to citizenship. Partial credit there I guess.

Bottom line: it doesn't take much to upstage Trump's presidency. A pet rock could probably do it, especially when it comes to matters that require a show of empathy or solidarity. Makes Valwinz's attempts at concern trolling even funnier.

Was Trump's presidency such a horror show?
From where I sit
Most local power did what it did regardless, as it generally always does.
Most federal power did bugger all beyond what was already codified and in place as everything is so closely matched and is a system designed to move at a glacial pace with minimal changes.
Most things that happened in the US would have happened during the previous 4 years, and 4 years before that, and 4 years before that...
For the most part there was law and order, same as there almost ever was at this point, generally people could get on with their lives, there were ups, there were downs, some suffered, some had a boon, a few pet projects got a token look in, a few pet projects of prior efforts got snubbed.
This will probably be much of the same, mainly as everything is much of the same.

It would have been nice for one side or another to have a strong leader with some principles and power to do something at least but that rarely happens, and amounts to less even when the appearance of such things is in place.

 

[Lacius]

The prevailing consensus is that we should call people what *they* want to be called, not what you think is the correct term, or so I was told.

A Latino person who wants to be called a Latino should be called a Latino. A Latina person who wants to be called a Latina should be called a Latina. A Latinx person who wants to be called Latinx should be called Latinx. I never claimed "Latinx" was "the correct term," so please fuck off you disingenuous piece of shit. I know that sounds harsh, but it hopefully got your attention: The reason I don't want you responding to my posts is because you repeatedly put words into people's mouths, and then I have to waste my time correcting the record to make sure people don't think I said something I didn't.

Latinx is a shorthand for Latino/Latina, and debating the use of the word "Latinx" is both a deflection from my original points about vaccine distribution, and it's tantamount to arguing the merits of using "LGBT" instead of "lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender." I don't really care about arguing about acronyms, abbreviations, etc. In reality, the word "Latinx" is used broadly, particularly among members of the Latinx community in my age group and those around me. While plenty of people in the Latinx community prefer the use of "Latino," it's not an especially controversial term, and the use of the word "Latinx" is increasing. There are also very specific grammar rules in Spanish that don't exist in English, and the use of "Latinx" is probably most analogous to people in the Latinx community using the word "americanos" to describe Americans. I'm not outraged by the use of the word "americanos," and the outrage exhibited in this thread about the word "Latinx" is fake outrage.

Latinx is an English neologism, a construct that's alien to the Latino community.

It's not alien to the community, particularly among the younger generations.

Using a term they've rejected is patronising

It's not rejected by the community, particularly among the younger generations.

and a form of English imperialism.

The use of the English language is not a form of English imperialism. I am an English-speaker.

They know what they want to be called better than you do, and if they fancied the term themselves, they would've adopted it. They haven't.

Plenty of people in the Latinx community have adopted, embraced, and/or accepted the use of the word.

I'll also respond to whatever I fancy responding to, you can choose to ignore it by scrolling away.

You were okay with this when I made the same request in October. What has changed? Is this an example of your self-proclaimed endeavor to become more of an asshole? Do you really think it is not improper to reject my request?

And you accuse me of using terms and phrasing that sees people running for the dictionary.

I never once "accused you of using terms and phrasing that sees people run for the dictionary."

But still. Convince me, or others here, of the merits of using such a term. Seems like a weird and pointless construction from where I sit that has no real adoption, unlikely to see any, and scarcely any basis for its existence even then (and that even if I accepted the premise that "gendered language bad").

See my points above. The debate here in this thread about the word "Latinx" is about as substantive as a hypothetical debate about using "Latino/Latina" instead of "Latino and Latina," since people are using "Latinx" to mean literally the same thing.

Was Trump's presidency such a horror show?

Nearly half a million people are dead as a direct result of the former president's response to the COVID-19 pandemic. He forcibly separated children from their parents at the border with the explicit intention of creating trauma as a deterrent, all with no real plan to reunite children with their parents. He attempted to extort a foreign power into meddling in the 2020 election. He irreparably chipped away at American democracy by peddling lies about voter fraud in an attempt to overthrow the election result. He instigated a violent attack against the Capitol, and regardless of whether you think he actually instigated the violent attack or whether you think it was constitutional to impeach him, he used that attack as leverage to overturn the election results.

Yes, Trump's presidency was a horror show. I didn't even get to all of the highlights.

 

[FAST6191]

A Latino person who wants to be called a Latino should be called a Latino. A Latina person who wants to be called a Latina should be called a Latina. A Latinx person who wants to be called Latinx should be called Latinx. I never claimed "Latinx" was "the correct term," so please fuck off you disingenuous piece of shit. I know that sounds harsh, but it hopefully got your attention: The reason I don't want you responding to my posts is because you repeatedly put words into people's mouths, and then I have to waste my time correcting the record to make sure people don't think I said something I didn't.

Latinx is a shorthand for Latino/Latina, and debating the use of the word "Latinx" is both a deflection from my original points about vaccine distribution, and it's tantamount to arguing the merits of using "LGBT" instead of "lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender." I don't really care about arguing about acronyms, abbreviations, etc. In reality, the word "Latinx" is used broadly, particularly among members of the Latinx community in my age group and those around me. While plenty of people in the Latinx community prefer the use of "Latino," it's not an especially controversial term, and the use of the word "Latinx" is increasing. There are also very specific grammar rules in Spanish that don't exist in English, and the use of "Latinx" is probably most analogous to people in the Latinx community using the word "americanos" to describe Americans. I'm not outraged by the use of the word "americanos," and the outrage exhibited in this thread about the word "Latinx" is fake outrage.


It's not alien to the community, particularly among the younger generations.


It's not rejected by the community, particularly among the younger generations.


The use of the English language is not a form of English imperialism. I am an English-speaker.


Plenty of people in the Latinx community have adopted, embraced, and/or accepted the use of the word.


You were okay with this when I made the same request in October. What has changed? Is this example of your self-proclaimed endeavor to become more of an asshole? Do you really think it is not improper to reject my request?


I never once "accused you of using terms and phrasing that sees people run for the dictionary."


See my points above. The debate here in this thread about the word "Latinx" is about as substantive as a hypothetical debate about using Latino/Latina instead of "Latino and Latina," since people are using "Latinx" to mean literally the same thing.

Ooh getting spicy, or spicy for high tea at least (nothing close to anything like attention grabbing but my world is my world so eh). Still find it amusing you seem to harbour such a dislike of my approach to the world when in many ways, certainly all that really count, we are so similar in many regards in goals and desired outcomes.

Running off to find a dictionary was a paraphrasing. Issues with my choice of phrasing, point construction and whatnot were brought up though and that fell in line with that.

Even assuming it is the case and people think it a useful term do I care about the youth?

Still seems like a silly term when Latino and Latina seem to cover all use cases. That being Latina if you somehow need to refer to a woman and Latino for man and all non specific cases. Play it as you will. Maybe it will be adopted.

Nearly half a million people are dead as a direct result of the former president's response to the COVID-19 pandemic. He forcibly separated children from their parents at the border with the explicit intention of creating trauma as a deterrent, all with no real plan to reunite children with their parents. He attempted to extort a foreign power into meddling in the 2020 election. He irreparably chipped away at American democracy by peddling lies about voter fraud in an attempt to overthrow the election result. He instigated a violent attack against the Capitol, and regardless of whether you think he actually instigated the violent attack or whether you think it was constitutional to impeach him, he used that attack as leverage to overturn the election results.

Yes, Trump's presidency was a horror show. I didn't even get to all of the highlights.

That seems like a statement that needs qualification.
Everywhere I look in the world seems to have been caught on the back foot, if not by China's inaction then by complacency. Likewise I am not sure what actions he could really have taken or not taken that local government (which I am sure all have hospitals and universities with infectious disease specialists that can say do it or don't, this one is nothing to sneeze at/run for the hills) could not have replicated or was shown to have replicated.

I have no problems with border separation. Just as when daddy held up a payday loan place and had to go away, or just as when my dad decided to stick around to see us finish school before going globe trotting, then I fail to see the issue with separation in illegal border crossings.

I missed the foreign power thing there and I would like to believe I follow stuff on that one. Going to need an elaboration.

Voter fraud, disenfranchisement, systemic failures (spoiler effect, zoning/districting/gerrymandering, electoral college, false advertisements, primarying...) and whatnot gets thrown around at all points by all parties, sometimes it is even true. Basically political noise at this point.

I am not seeing the violent attack on the capitol bit being instigated. That is quite the claim.

 

[Foxi4]

The use of the English language is not a form of English imperialism. I am an English-speaker.

Plenty of people in the Latinx community have adopted, embraced, and/or accepted the use of the word.

You were okay with this when I made the same request in October. What has changed? Is this an example of your self-proclaimed endeavor to become more of an asshole? Do you really think it is not improper to reject my request?

Not "plenty", 2%. In fact, it seems that the majority of Latinios/Hispanics aren't even aware of the term, and those who are overwhelmingly reject it - not according to me, but according to Pew Research. Imposing a word on a community from on-high because you think it's more appropriate than the gendered equivalents is linguistic imperialism, the gender-neutral term is the same as the masculine one - Latino. Latina is strictly feminine. You seem to acknowledge that the gendered terms are acceptable, so this is indeed a non-issue. This is also not the whole story about the request you made in October, since you bring it up. Weird, but I'll bite. You specifically said that you're not planning to respond to my posts and would prefer to be contacted only in regards to moderation - it seems that plans have changed for both of us. As I said in October, "alright" - if you treat it so personally, I can do that, although it is pretty silly. The issue of your use of the term was brought up by shamzie, not you or me, and I had something to add to that exchange, which is my right.

 

[Lacius]

Not "plenty", 2%. In fact, it seems that the majority of Latinios/Hispanics aren't even aware of the term, and those who are overwhelmingly reject it - not according to me, but according to Pew Research. Imposing a word on a community from on-high because you think it's more appropriate than the gendered equivalents is linguistic imperialism, but you seem to acknowledge that the gendered alternatives are acceptable, so this is indeed a non-issue. This is also not the whole story about the request you made in October, since you bring it up. Weird, but I'll bite. You specifically said that you're not planning to respond to my posts and would prefer to be contacted only in regards to moderation - it seems that plans have changed for both of us. As I said in October, "alright" - if you treat it so personally, I can do that, although it is pretty silly. The issue of your use of the term was brought up by shamzie, not you, and I had something to add to that exchange, which is my right.

From the same poll, it's a lot more than that 2-3% who use the term who think it should be used. 13% of those who have heard it also use it, and 33% of those who have heard it think it should be used. The numbers increase as the age group decreases. When it comes to the questions about what they use and what should be used, they were also given a choice between options. The results of the poll don't contradict anything I've said, and they don't suggest any sort of outrage against the term. Anecdotally, I sent out a mass text to my Latinx friends, and the unanimous answer I got was "Latinx."

Once again, you're being disingenuous. The issue isn't whether or not you should respond to a topic in the thread. The issue is whether you should respond directly to my posts and mischaracterize my words. If you physically cannot control yourself from responding to my posts, then I just won't post on this site anymore. Honestly, good riddance to the toxicity in this community.

 

[Foxi4]

Once again, you're being disingenuous. The issue isn't whether or not you should respond to a topic in the thread. The issue is whether you should respond directly to my posts and mischaracterize my words. If you physically cannot control yourself from responding to my posts, then I just won't post on this site anymore. Honestly, good riddance to the toxicity in this community.

I don't think that will be necessary. Have fun.

 

[Xzi]

Was Trump's presidency such a horror show?

It was basically one long con with the objective of stealing as many taxpayer dollars as possible and chipping away at as many of our constitutional rights as possible, so yes. Week after week we had to deal with a new crisis of the Trump administration's own making, and then when it came time to deal with an external crisis (COVID), they were 100% fucking clueless. Actually, "clueless" is giving them too much credit considering they were actively making things worse by politicizing every aspect of the virus. 400K dead Americans without firing a single shot: Putin definitely got everything he could've wanted and more out of that investment.

 

[Plasmaster09]

I don't think that will be necessary. Have fun.

Or, hear me out: you could stop needlessly deflecting and white-knighting over a one-letter vague gender difference for a group none of us are part of AFAIK, and actually tackle our arguments head-on.

Ooh getting spicy, or spicy for high tea at least (nothing close to anything like attention grabbing but my world is my world so eh). Still find it amusing you seem to harbour such a dislike of my approach to the world when in many ways, certainly all that really count, we are so similar in many regards in goals and desired outcomes.

Running off to find a dictionary was a paraphrasing. Issues with my choice of phrasing, point construction and whatnot were brought up though and that fell in line with that.

Even assuming it is the case and people think it a useful term do I care about the youth?

Still seems like a silly term when Latino and Latina seem to cover all use cases. That being Latina if you somehow need to refer to a woman and Latino for man and all non specific cases. Play it as you will. Maybe it will be adopted.


That seems like a statement that needs qualification.
Everywhere I look in the world seems to have been caught on the back foot, if not by China's inaction then by complacency. Likewise I am not sure what actions he could really have taken or not taken that local government (which I am sure all have hospitals and universities with infectious disease specialists that can say do it or don't, this one is nothing to sneeze at/run for the hills) could not have replicated or was shown to have replicated.

I have no problems with border separation. Just as when daddy held up a payday loan place and had to go away, or just as when my dad decided to stick around to see us finish school before going globe trotting, then I fail to see the issue with separation in illegal border crossings.

I missed the foreign power thing there and I would like to believe I follow stuff on that one. Going to need an elaboration.

Voter fraud, disenfranchisement, systemic failures (spoiler effect, zoning/districting/gerrymandering, electoral college, false advertisements, primarying...) and whatnot gets thrown around at all points by all parties, sometimes it is even true. Basically political noise at this point.

I am not seeing the violent attack on the capitol bit being instigated. That is quite the claim.

Pandemic response: Trump refused to take basically any action unless it was too late, politicized mask-wearing, touted unproven and possibly dangerous remedies, KEPT POLITICIZING MASK-WEARING (resulting in likely being the primary cause of the large quantity of mask-denying, selfish, stubborn plague-spreading dumbfucks ruining the safety of everyone around them)... yeah.
Just under 500k people have died of the coronavirus in the US. It may have caught the whole world unawares, but thing is: 1) Trump knew how serious things were in early February, and we have him ON RECORDING deliberately downplaying it and planning to do so (source: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/9111...ess-of-the-coronavirus-early-on-new-book-says), and 2) he did basically everything he could to AVOID a proper response.
Trump. Made. This. Pandemic. Worse. On. Purpose.
Border separation: Seriously? Small children being separated from their families at the border? Regardless of party lines, that's just plain fucked up... and that's before you consider the concentration-camp-level-awful conditions the kids were put in. I am not using a shred of hyperbole there- the camps really were that horrible.
Foreign power: Trump tried to strongman Ukraine into digging up dirt on Biden and family. That's basically it.
Voter fraud: Erm, "it happens from both sides" isn't an excuse here. Trump lost, BADLY (so badly that it turned Georgia blue), and then proceeded to actively deny it and claim he won for months. If he hadn't lied his ass off about voter fraud, things would've likely proceeded smoothly, and more importantly...
The insurrection: It wouldn't have happened if not for Trump whining like the sore loser he is and actively refusing to admit defeat in the fucking presidential election. He claimed it was 'stolen' from him (despite every argument they proposed to back that getting absolutely shattered when it actually came to court, as the claims held no water), told his supporters to "stop the steal" and that they would have to "fight like hell" in order to "stop" said "steal". The key here is that unlike the out-of-context blip clips used to (badly) defend his statements during the impeachment trial, Trump actively told his supporters to fight for him to basically cheat him the election victory. He even said he'd be there with them trying to 'stop the steal' (though he wasn't, due to his other primary trait beyond greed and narcissism being cowardice), and OUTRIGHT REFUSED TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD. And then there's the matter of the other call, the one where he responds to basically "sir, your base is trying a coup and they want to lynch the VP, FUCKING DO SOMETHING" with "I guess they care more about the truth of the election than you do, huh?".
Yeah.

 

[rensenware]

latinx is cringe idc

 

[Doran754]

latinx is cringe idc

Woah be careful, they have democrat privilege. It doesn't matter If what they're saying is wrong, It doesn't matter if the people they're talking for reject and hate the term, they have democrat privilege. It's a kin to them going upto a black person and saying "what do you mean you're not a victim, im trying to help you here" you can't tell them anything. They'll never concede a point, they'll double down. OBVIOUSLY the Latino's and Latina's are wrong, they just dont know that yet.

In before "BLM:ACAB, They/Them White Saviour is typing...

 

[djpannda]

hey..lookie ...

BREAKING: Former President Donald Trump is dealt a massive loss as the Supreme Court clears the way for a New York prosecutor to obtain his tax returns https://t.co/VEn90TRkmE

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) February 22, 2021

lets see who Trump owed 500million to?