PS5 to be backward compatible with over 4000 PS4 games but some "may exhibit errors"

Silent_Gunner · Oct 10, 2020

Goku1992A said:
@Retroboy

I agree and I also disagree with you. It would be nice to have BC but it isn't a pressing issue like it was in the past. PS5/Series-X I would mainly be playing those next gen games PS4/XB1 is more of icing on the cake since next gen will support last gen. It also saves you the time of buying those games again. The part I will disagree with you is they should include a premium model that takes out the time and support BC. It should be on a limited edition bases where they can sell a certain amount of units.

Take PS3 for example Sony should have released base model 40gb no BC for $400 and made the 60gb model limited edition for $600 kinda similar how they do iPhone 11 and then you have the iPhone 11 Pro. It would atleast give the users a chance to pick and choose if they want full BC support they will pay premium for it. If they just want to play only next gen they will buy the base model therefore evreyone is happy. This is why I like about Series-X they may not support all games from Xbox and 360 but they are making an effort. It boils down to personal taste. The PS5 diskless model was a waste of a model they should have just made a BC PS5 limited edition and sold it for $800 (trust me it would have sold) They could have take the time to make it but with how successful PS Now is doing they rather not mess up their subscription sales but sometimes you don't want to be tied down to always paying. I love Xbox Gamepass but half of the games are dirt cheap I can buy them versus paying $200 a year for gamepass ultimate.

BC isn't a deal breaker for me but I am atleast happy that the PS4 and Xbox One is BC with next gen because my PS4 is 6 years old and it is giving me problems. Idk how much longer will my PS3 or my PS2 last but hopefully emulation improve on the PS3. For my PS2 I just use the emulator it isn't worth me connecting my PS2 to the television it would be a waste of time the same thing apply for my wii I just use dolphin and I get a better resolution anyway

Or, they could make a SoC, put it in a case and make it work with USB-A 3.2...whatever the fuck they're calling the best version of USB 3.1 nowadays and USB-C and sell it to those who want it. If anything, that's what I've been thinking these guys should do if they want to attract their current customer base.

the_randomizer · Oct 10, 2020

Silent_Gunner said:
I doubt the supply situation's gonna be that much better a month from launch.

Yeah, reaaaaaally well planned on Sony's part

Goku1992A · Oct 10, 2020

Silent_Gunner said:
Or, they could make a SoC, put it in a case and make it work with USB-A 3.2...whatever the fuck they're calling the best version of USB 3.1 nowadays and USB-C and sell it to those who want it. If anything, that's what I've been thinking these guys should do if they want to attract their current customer base.

The main thing is the old hardware will be bound to break eventually. If emulators didn't exist we wouldn't be able to enjoy retro gaming unless you was going to pay premium price for older systems. 20 years from now we would have to rely on emulation because our physical systems will be destroyed. I personally lost my SNES, GBA, GBC and PS1 due to hurricane Wilma back in 2004. Any unfortunate event can happen.

ROMS and emulators play a very important role in the gaming world... Newer generation consoles will forget about the past but the emulators will last forever

PiracyForTheMasses · Oct 10, 2020

Most of you are clueless. No the PS5 is NOT emulating PS4. Going from PS4 hardware to PS5 hardware is the equivalent of upgrading a low/mid tier gaming PC from , the architecture is not any different. The only reason the PS5 would have limitations with PS4 games is Sony's shit operating system.

the_randomizer · Oct 10, 2020

tabzer said:
Then you haven't been paying attention to all of the reports, from SONY directly, about how the PS5 will be BC with 99% of PS4 titles. If it's only this list of 10 games that won't be compatible, then we are sitting at 99.75% BC--which would be an improvement. How is this clarification bad news at all?? Do you "waah waah" at the clouds in the sky, too?

This article just offers a little more clarity--it's not a departure from anything Sony has previously said about PS5 capabilities.

Oh yeah, Sony isn't compatible with Fable II. Looks like they've already lost.

Then get it on Steam

The Real Jdbye · Oct 10, 2020

Goku1992A said:
The main thing is the old hardware will be bound to break eventually. If emulators didn't exist we wouldn't be able to enjoy retro gaming unless you was going to pay premium price for older systems. 20 years from now we would have to rely on emulation because our physical systems will be destroyed. I personally lost my SNES, GBA, GBC and PS1 due to hurricane Wilma back in 2004. Any unfortunate event can happen.

ROMS and emulators play a very important role in the gaming world... Newer generation consoles will forget about the past but the emulators will last forever

Nintendo consoles are built like bricks, especially older ones, I don't think we need to worry about them breaking.
Disc based consoles though, the laser is doomed to fail eventually, and sooner or later there won't be any more replacements to buy.

RichardTheKing · Oct 10, 2020

pedro702 said:
cmon like all emulators/bc mode there are always some tiny issues somewhere, they just didint fully tested every 4000+ games from top to bottom, so its there way to say if a random game has some crash when doing certain conditions or just a wierd texture or whatever.

there were some ps2 games that didnt work even on ps3 with ps2 hardware and some ps1 games that didnt work either on the ps1 emulator.

so its there way of saying if something happens on any of the supported 4000+ games they warned you, heck im glade the list of incompatible games is so small at least, besides shadow complex remastered i would never play any of the games on the list.

Were there any GameCube games that didn't work on Wii? Game Boy or GB Colour games that didn't work on GB Advance? GBA games that didn't work on DS? I know there were a handful of DS games that didn't work on the DSi or 3DS due to the lack of a GBA slot - Guitar Hero with that dongle, for example. Wii games that didn't work on the Wii U?

Actually, scratch that last one - almost the entire Wii library didn't work, even on the standard Wii, due to dysfunctional motion controls. Pile of trash; the only redeemable ones I know of were Super Paper Mario (which only infrequently used motion), Twilight Princess (where the pointer could be disabled) and Super Smash Bros. Brawl (no motion whatsoever).

Delerious · Oct 10, 2020

At this point, I'm just gonna stick to PC and Switch anyway.

Deleted User · Oct 10, 2020

But can it play Crysis (remastered) ????

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Delerious said:
At this point, I'm just gonna stick to PC and Switch anyway.

I have a gaming PC and a Switch, but it's hard to pass up Sony exclusives. For me at least.

the_randomizer · Oct 10, 2020

The Real Jdbye said:
Nintendo consoles are built like bricks, especially older ones, I don't think we need to worry about them breaking.
Disc based consoles though, the laser is doomed to fail eventually, and sooner or later there won't be any more replacements to buy.

PCBs and capacitors wear out and stop working, cart contacts rust out, even if consoles don't die out, physical media will. Lasers die, CD has disc rot, etc, emulation is a good way to preserve them, people opposed to emulation
don't know what the hell they're complaining about.

Deleted member 532471 · Oct 10, 2020

ps5 to suck; kaz hirai seen screaming "you can only go forward!! NEVER BACKWARDS!!!" in sony's HQ hallways.

what's with sony just refusing to accept fans wanting to play older games, it's like they went full dumb since the ps3
"a fun, colorful platformer!? sorry we only make smart edgy games with super graphics for fedora forum trolls, buy the official playstation mug"
they could destroy nintendo at their game if they weren't so petty

Slavaka · Oct 10, 2020

While I do enjoy being able to download old gen titles, it would be nice if they would state if you can run ps4 games on the console from a disc. Until I hear more, I'm assuming that it is only backwards compatible if you download the game?

eriol33 · Oct 10, 2020

the only games worth for backwards compatibility are the exclusive ps4 games, say TLOU, spider-man, kingdom hearts III, persona 5 R. the rest is neglible, especially if you have a PC. This feels like PSX to PS2 again.

The Real Jdbye · Oct 10, 2020

the_randomizer said:
PCBs and capacitors wear out and stop working, cart contacts rust out, even if consoles don't die out, physical media will. Lasers die, CD has disc rot, etc, emulation is a good way to preserve them, people opposed to emulation
don't know what the hell they're complaining about.

True but, we know how to repair all of that. Capacitors will always be available and are a super simple repair, EPROM chips will always be available to flash ROMs onto to repair faulty carts, contacts can be cleaned and tinned, etc. Of course flashing new ROMs onto EPROM chips relies on someone actually collecting and sharing the ROMs in the first place, unless you thought to make your own backup of all your games in case you needed them later on to repair a faulty cart.
Anything custom that isn't mass produced can be problematic to fix, luckily the custom parts are usually not the ones that fail.

pedro702 · Oct 10, 2020

RichardTheKing said:
Were there any GameCube games that didn't work on Wii? Game Boy or GB Colour games that didn't work on GB Advance? GBA games that didn't work on DS? I know there were a handful of DS games that didn't work on the DSi or 3DS due to the lack of a GBA slot - Guitar Hero with that dongle, for example. Wii games that didn't work on the Wii U?

Actually, scratch that last one - almost the entire Wii library didn't work, even on the standard Wii, due to dysfunctional motion controls. Pile of trash; the only redeemable ones I know of were Super Paper Mario (which only infrequently used motion), Twilight Princess (where the pointer could be disabled) and Super Smash Bros. Brawl (no motion whatsoever).

well gba video cartridges like pokemon episodes and such dont work on the ds,some games with motion sensors like Kirby's Tilt & Tumble and Wario Ware: Twist have issues (also on the gba SP) because the cartriddge is upside down which makes them unplayable.

gc games that had bba and moden support can acess those features at all like phantasy star online and games like mario kart doble dash and so on.

there is always some nitpicks if you look close enough.

Bladexdsl · Oct 10, 2020

not buying a ps5 unless Joe's Diner is working day one so fuck off sony

yoyoyo69 · Oct 10, 2020

Everyone can thank Microsoft for this occurring, you can guarantee it wouldn't happen without them.

I suppose you could also say, we can thank the PS4 for making the Microsoft Series consoles and it's supporting systems and features so much better.

This is why genuine competition is best, not fanboy blind devotion.

ut2k4master · Oct 10, 2020

Slavaka said:
While I do enjoy being able to download old gen titles, it would be nice if they would state if you can run ps4 games on the console from a disc. Until I hear more, I'm assuming that it is only backwards compatible if you download the game?

why dont you just visit the website? it specifically mentions discs working

PatrickD85 · Oct 10, 2020

All time Nintendo fan here. One time PS2 owner. Quick note; liked it ... but simply missed the Nintendo games.
Never owned a M$ system, or wanted one.

Following the PS5 and Xbox Series X ... IF i where to get another console to have besides the Nintendo Switch it would be hands down Xbox Series X at this point. Backward compat wise Xbox is being very pro-consumer. Better speeds, auto hdr and so on. The Quick resume seems awesome ... as I play multiple games simultaneously.

But for now Im waiting till it all hits people's hands.

Spider_Man · Oct 10, 2020

deinonychus71 said:
These are nothing but opinions, and therefore are irrelevant.

Your conception that because you own every console you are somehow a "true gamer" is laughable, and you're just ignoring all the counter points as to why retro compatibility is important, and why so many people work towards that goal.

The mere fact that the competition is pushing so hard on it and people are welcoming it should be proof enough that retro compatibility is not an obscure feature that nobody wants.

The world does not revolve around you and your specific needs. This is a community and my opinion matters just as much as yours. The difference is that what I want does not impact nor diminish the value of what you want. On the contrary.

You want to give shit to people for some feature you don't care about? Have at it. but you're not fooling anyone.

Not bitching about Nintendo?
You just had to read my post to see it, the very one you quoted. You didn't even bother.

We have 3 ps3, 2 ps4 and 2 ps4 pro here with 2 VR headset. And one Xbox One, not even X.
No PS2 / PS1 because yeah, sorry, I don't keep old CRT TVs around, which again, was a point as to why it's important to ensure games can be future proofed.
I had to rebuy most of my games when moving to the US because unlike the competition again, Sony doesn't allow account transfer, they don't allow you to buy games with another currency, you can't buy psn cards on any store without them verifying your address, etc.
But it's fair to say, as a "not true gamer" I gave quite a lot to this brand because ultimately I love their games.

And yet, I have no problem to praise Microsoft on what they're doing, and calling BS on Sony right now. Because unlike you, I am not in bed with a brand so much that I can only give them praise while shitting on everyone who dare criticizing them.

Everyting is opinion.

Fact

Get your switch, try play your nes cart.

Oooo fucknugit i cant, but ill slate sony.

Get your xbug and slap any game in.

Shitfuckadoodle, i have to wait.

So fuck off been buttercup pretty rainbow printed wet blankets bitching over a feature NO ONE ELSE OFFERS.

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