Homebrew Question Tinfoil on atmosphere file overwrite

Miqote · Oct 1, 2019

The real problem is people using OG Atmopshere because it's somehow more holy than ReiNX. Instead, just devs and homebrew makers should be using atmosphere vanilla and everyone else should be using the consumer-friendly version, ReiNX (or other alternatives).

Why do people cling to vanilla atmosphere so tightly?

hippy dave · Oct 1, 2019

Miqote said:
The real problem is people using OG Atmopshere because it's somehow more holy than ReiNX. Instead, just devs and homebrew makers should be using atmosphere vanilla and everyone else should be using the consumer-friendly version, ReiNX (or other alternatives).

Why do people cling to vanilla atmosphere so tightly?

Turns out people "should" use whatever the fuck they want, and it's not for you or blawar to decide.

Goma1337 · Oct 1, 2019

hippy dave said:
Turns out people "should" use whatever the fuck they want, and it's not for you or blawar to decide.

Exactly, they can use his software or not. No one's forcing them to. It's his project, which he develops in his time, and if he chooses to go this path it's his choice.

Too much entitlement.

Ashura66 · Oct 1, 2019

Goma1337 said:
No one's forcing them to.

Except Blawar DOES force you to use his Atmosphere fork plus mercury if you want to use tinfoil when there is absolutely no reason for him to do so other than pure spite

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Miqote said:
The real problem is people using OG Atmopshere because it's somehow more holy than ReiNX. Instead, just devs and homebrew makers should be using atmosphere vanilla and everyone else should be using the consumer-friendly version, ReiNX (or other alternatives).

Why do people cling to vanilla atmosphere so tightly?

Well let's see here...Atmosphere is updated to work with 9.0 which some people have updated to for whatever reason while ReiNX has not, Atmosphere has more features than ReiNX, it's also more stable than ReiNX(In my personal experience at the very least). If it works then why SHOULDN'T people use it? There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with end users using atmosphere

hippy dave · Oct 1, 2019

Ashura66 said:
Well let's see here...Atmosphere is updated to work with 9.0 which some people have updated to for whatever reason while ReiNX has not,

Shit, has it not? I just assumed it had by this point.... even SX OS has, however cataclysmically.

blawar · Oct 1, 2019

Ashura66 said:
Except Blawar DOES force you to use his Atmosphere fork plus mercury if you want to use tinfoil when there is absolutely no reason for him to do so other than pure spite

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Well let's see here...Atmosphere is updated to work with 9.0 which some people have updated to for whatever reason while ReiNX has not, Atmosphere has more features than ReiNX, it's also more stable than ReiNX(In my personal experience at the very least). If it works then why SHOULDN'T people use it? There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with end users using atmosphere

Nah, we both know I could be spiteful if I wanted to be

Ashura66 · Oct 1, 2019

hippy dave said:
Shit, has it not? I just assumed it had by this point.... even SX OS has, however cataclysmically.

Nope, ReiNX is the only one that hasn't updated it's compatibility to 9.0, no idea why

Engezerstorung · Oct 1, 2019

Miqote said:
The real problem is people using OG Atmopshere because it's somehow more holy than ReiNX. Instead, just devs and homebrew makers should be using atmosphere vanilla and everyone else should be using the consumer-friendly version, ReiNX (or other alternatives).

Why do people cling to vanilla atmosphere so tightly?

imagine what would happen if every devs was forking atmosphere to implement their own view of how things should work, and make a requirment that their fork must be present for their homebrew to run? how would that end for the users?

linuxares · Oct 1, 2019

About Edizon, you know it's not abandoned right? And it works fine on 9.0? Heck I know what @WerWolv is even up to. And it's gonna be fabulous!

altorn · Oct 1, 2019

Engezerstorung said:
imagine what would happen if every devs was forking atmosphere to implement their own view of how things should work, and make a requirment that their fork must be present for their homebrew to run? how would that end for the users?

You just described SXOS... *gasp*

Ashura66 · Oct 1, 2019

altorn said:
You just described SXOS... *gasp*

Not really. There's no single homebrew that absolutely needs SX OS to run nor is SX changing the code of base Atmosphere, it's a 1:1 copy as far as i understand

altorn · Oct 1, 2019

Ashura66 said:
Not really. There's no single homebrew that absolutely needs SX OS to run nor is SX changing the code of base Atmosphere, it's a 1:1 copy as far as i understand

$30 is needed to run SXOS... *gasp*

8BitWonder · Oct 1, 2019

altorn said:
$30 is needed to run SXOS... *gasp*

... Ok?
What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

altorn · Oct 1, 2019

8BitWonder said:
... Ok?
What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

This is what happens when a dev uses closed source software, they can require any dependency they want and can modify whatever open source library/code they depend on. Pretty much like how TX started SXOS where the dependency is open source and they simply made closed source components baked into their "version of Atmosphere" to allow them to charge money for it. Once users depend so much on a dev's app that has closed source, the dev can easily ask for anything, including money.

LightBeam · Oct 1, 2019

--I think he trolls.
At least that's how I understood the thing from the first word.--

I still don't understand how that's supposed to be relevant in this discussion.

blawar · Oct 2, 2019

linuxares said:
About Edizon, you know it's not abandoned right? And it works fine on 9.0? Heck I know what @WerWolv is even up to. And it's gonna be fabulous!

Its abandoned until he recompiled for latest libnx. Even then, he barely updates it. Edizon has felt abandoned for a long time.

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Engezerstorung said:
imagine what would happen if every devs was forking atmosphere to implement their own view of how things should work, and make a requirment that their fork must be present for their homebrew to run? how would that end for the users?

That already happened with retroarch, and some select other applications LOL. I tell you what, i'll remove my fork when retroarch runs on all cores on all CFW's

But you give retroarch a pass on it, because its your favorite CFW and its open source. I get it

hippy dave · Oct 2, 2019

blawar said:
That already happened with retroarch, and some select other applications LOL.

You totally ignored what he said, or can't read properly - try again.

Ashura66 · Oct 2, 2019

hippy dave said:
You totally ignored what he said, or can't read properly - try again.

Also "But you give retroarch a pass on it, because its your favorite CFW and its open source." Correct me if i'm wrong but...retroarch isn't a CFW right? It's an emulator

hippy dave · Oct 2, 2019

Ashura66 said:
Also "But you give retroarch a pass on it, because its your favorite CFW and its open source." Correct me if i'm wrong but...retroarch isn't a CFW right? It's an emulator

I think I can hazard a guess at what he meant by that (still missing the point of what he was responding to, deliberately or otherwise), but yeah I guess he can't write properly either.

Lacius · Oct 2, 2019

hippy dave said:
You totally ignored what he said, or can't read properly - try again.

@blawar ignores it when someone makes a valid point. At best, he's acting irrationally. At worst, he's blinded by spite and/or he's a shill.

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