Homebrew Question Tinfoil on atmosphere file overwrite

[hippy dave]

I had a long rant that I was going to type out for you. Instead, I'll ask a single question that I'd like answered. Who does this decision help, and how does it help them?

Users who are on 9.0 who want to keep using their homebrew until such a time as it's updated.

Like I said, a lot of it has been already, but there have been periods of days up to a couple of weeks where certain homebrew wouldn't have worked.

 

[Hayato213]

two bad dictators are better than one. At least they act as a little check on themselves hah. I'm going to add some more cool features to differentiate the two even more.

At least we have a perfect profile picture for you man.

 

[hippy dave]

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At least we have a perfect profile picture for you man.

I prefer blawar's mugshot, but this is a pretty good option too.

 

[Crusatyr]

Users who are on 9.0 who want to keep using their homebrew until such a time as it's updated.

Like I said, a lot of it has been already, but there have been periods of days up to a couple of weeks where certain homebrew wouldn't have worked.

You know what would help users more and require a lot less work on Scires's part? Telling users "Hey, homebrew apps are broken on 9.0. Wait to update until all your favorite homebrew apps have been updated." Instead, he decides it best to MitM everything, and if he eventually does remove his "fix", you're going to have users complaining that they had xyz app from 5 months ago not work anymore and it's because of the latest atmo update. Do you see how this creates lasting issues rather than doing it right and having homebrew devs recompile their apps?

 

[Hayato213]

You know what would help users more and require a lot less work on Scires's part? Telling users "Hey, homebrew apps are broken on 9.0. Wait to update until all your favorite homebrew apps have been updated." Instead, he decides it best to MitM everything, and if he eventually does remove his "fix", you're going to have users complaining that they had xyz app from 5 months ago not work anymore and it's because of the latest atmo update. Do you see how this creates lasting issues rather than doing it right and having homebrew devs recompile their apps?

You should read the change log.

 

[hippy dave]

You know what would help users more and require a lot less work on Scires's part? Telling users "Hey, homebrew apps are broken on 9.0. Wait to update until all your favorite homebrew apps have been updated." Instead, he decides it best to MitM everything, and if he eventually does remove his "fix", you're going to have users complaining that they had xyz app from 5 months ago not work anymore and it's because of the latest atmo update. Do you see how this creates lasting issues rather than doing it right and having homebrew devs recompile their apps?

What I see is people who were already on 9.0, by mistake or not, who still want to use homebrew. What I also see is users proactively asking devs to update their homebrew anyway. What I actually see, is stuff working itself out pretty well. What I don't actually see is the doom and gloom and disaster that some are predicting.
Either way wasn't going to be perfect, but the way that was picked doesn't seem to be going that badly.

 

[Crusatyr]

You should read the change log.

I did, I don't know what you're getting at. If you're implying "He did say devs should update their apps" you're right, he did. And he ought to have left it at that.

What I see is people who were already on 9.0, by mistake or not, who still want to use homebrew. What I also see is users proactively asking devs to update their homebrew anyway. What I actually see, is stuff working itself out pretty well. What I don't actually see is the doom and gloom and disaster that some are predicting.
Either way wasn't going to be perfect, but the way that was picked doesn't seem to be going that badly.

There is literally no excuse or sympathy for accidentally updating. If you're not using Airplane mode, 90dns, or incognito, that's entirely on you that your console got updated. Taking some basic precautions is the bare minimum thing you can do. And people who purposefully updated to 9.0 ought to be devs, or users helping devs test stuff. No one else has any business purposefully updating to the latest release. Ever. And you're right, you don't see the doom and gloom some people are predicting and I don't either. That's because on discord blawar is literally taking requests and recompiling dead/dying homebrew apps with the latest libNX so people can use them. Even people like Werwolv, the author of popular homebrew app Edizon, has yet to take the 5 minutes to recompile his app. You'd imagine a popular app would get updated day one but it didn't because he has no reason to due to Scires's "fix". That's my two cents on it.

 

[hippy dave]

There is literally no excuse or sympathy for accidentally updating. If you're not using Airplane mode, 90dns, or incognito, that's entirely on you that your console got updated. Taking some basic precautions is the bare minimum thing you can do. And people who purposefully updated to 9.0 ought to be devs, or users helping devs test stuff. No one else has any business purposefully updating to the latest release. Ever. And you're right, you don't see the doom and gloom some people are predicting and I don't either. That's because on discord blawar is literally taking requests and recompiling dead/dying homebrew apps with the latest libNX so people can use them. Even people like Werwolv, the author of popular homebrew app Edizon, has yet to take the 5 minutes to recompile his app. You'd imagine a popular app would get updated day one but it didn't because he has no reason to due to Scires's "fix". That's my two cents on it.

People update when they shouldn't. People don't take backups when they should. We know this, it happens all the time and it's their fault. Still, I'm not gonna say "well fuck 'em then", I'm gonna try and find them a solution.
Yes, the community (even blawar!) is going to come together and make it work out. Edizon is open source so what's the fucking disaster?

 

[blawar]

https://github.com/blawar/graveyard

 

[mrdude]

Hey thanks for the tinfoilmod hint - I just put that on my switch and it's working great with Atmosphere (untouched) now.

 

[xabier]

https://github.com/blawar/graveyard

I would love to see postal there

 

[Ashura66]

So how many people here using the tinfoil mod trust Blawar not to mess with it just because he woke up cranky one morning?

 

[hippy dave]

I would love to see postal there

Postal seems to have bigger problems than just needing a rebuild, I tried the existing version and a fresh build from source, and in both cases the screen just goes black for a few seconds then it exits. It was targeting firmware 5.x and hasn't been updated since, so probably needs a few tweaks.

 

[Goma1337]

I mean seriously, you don't like it, just don't use it. You're not entitled to the dude's software. He can honestly do whatever he feels like to it, I don't know why this is even a discussion.

Whoever's bothered by that pretty simple concept is free to come up with a better alternative.

 

[Ashura66]

I mean seriously, you don't like it, just don't use it. You're not entitled to the dude's software. He can honestly do whatever he feels like to it.

Whoever's bothered by that is free to come up with a better alternative.

Being free does not excuse it from criticism. Also" let's see you do better" is a terrible argument that only people with no arguments ever use

 

[xabier]

Being free does not excuse it from criticism. Also" let's see you do better" is a terrible argument that only people with no arguments ever use

I personally dont like forked atmosphere thats why i run tinfoil only in sx OS.

I dont know how skilled or not the dev is, but his stuff seems pretty well finished from end user perspective. Stuff works, behaves correctly and looks nice.

Atmosphere fork might seem like a patchjob, but its his way of making software available to everyone and he doesnt deserve all the criticism he is receiving for it. There are alternatives to tinfoil and ways of running it without the fork(reinx, sx OS por modded nro). I m just happy to have al this options.

 

[snoofly]

i use blawars tinfoil atmosphere fork for a while now and not had one issue.
i prefer the original hot key setup as well.
man, there’s so much bitching in these threads

 

[Ashura66]

but its his way of making software available to everyone

Except...it's not. Unless you're using VERY SPECIFIC THINGS that not everyone wants to use, then his software wont be available. And sure there are other options and always will be. But, again, that doesn't invalidate the criticism he gets which is all valid due to what his software forces you do to and the features it removes from Atmosphere with no need since it's been proven by the mod that all that DRM is unnecessary. No one likes to be forced to install or run additional software just to run the software they enjoy

 

[xabier]

Except...it's not. Unless you're using VERY SPECIFIC THINGS that not everyone wants to use, then his software wont be available. And sure there are other options and always will be. But, again, that doesn't invalidate the criticism he gets which is all valid due to what his software forces you do to and the features it removes from Atmosphere with no need since it's been proven by the mod that all that DRM is unnecessary. No one likes to be forced to install or run additional software just to run the software they enjoy

People wouldnt be moaning about atmosphere fork if it wasnt for that one shop that runs on tinfoil base.

 

[Ashura66]

People wouldnt be moaning about atmosphere fork if it wasnt for that one shop that runs on tinfoil base.

You mean HBG shop? True a lot of users of that shop are complaining for valid reasons. but even if said shop didn't exist, you have no way to know if the complains would cease to exist or not. Some people GENUINELY like tinfoil but simply detest the direction it's taking