Homebrew Question Tinfoil on atmosphere file overwrite

[The Real Jdbye]

Without the user's consent? It is a fork, and it clearly states it is a fork. One that you have not even used apparently, it does not force a different homebrew launcher. The key changes you are complaining about, were the original atmosphere key bindings, and removing security is laughable.

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They call it malware because they do not like that unmodified Tinfoil forces you to use that atmosphere fork if you want to use tinfoil. This was done for stability and to retain features. For instance atmospehre made a change that reduced applet memory by 33%, the fork reverts that change so tinfoil wont crash due to out of memory. It also forces cheats to be enabled by default (as atmosphere does by default) to ensure the cheats in tinfoil work.

That cheats thing is gonna cause problems with EdiZon which specifically tells you to *disable* the dnmt_enable_cheats_by_default setting otherwise cheats will always be enabled with no way to turn them off. Again, you fix one problem but you create another. Fix it properly, stop doing halfassed hack jobs. That's why people are mad at you and why everyone's saying to use the mod instead.

Moreover, it was a problem that didn't need fixing in the first place. There's a perfectly fine configuration setting designed just for cases like this. You don't just remove features and call it an improvement, that makes no sense.

And has the idea crossed you that 99% of the people who use Tinfoil probably don't care about its cheats feature and would rather prefer to keep their title manager separate from their cheats program? Why try to shove everything into one application? That's another problem people are having with your recent shit. Tinfoil is a title manager, that's what people use it for, stop trying to force features on people that are not inherent to a title manager. If you want to add unrelated features make them separate homebrews.

It's funny how defensive you get about this when your arguments make no sense whatsoever to anyone else but you.

 

[LightBeam]

Reminds me of that 1 guy who made mod tools for pc games, but it deleted your files if you were using a pirated game.

FAR for Nier Automata ? Had this on a pirated game, didn't deleted my game but it made my game crash on purpose. Had to dig through a ton of forks to finally getting one that didn't had DRM like that.
I don't know. I don't understand why some people use their talent at developing stuff like that and choose to go where their software would not be considered almost perfect anymore. Tbh it reminds me of ppl who got huge skills in 3D animation but use these to make 3 seconds loop of zoophilia porn, seems like a waste to me.

 

[JRoad]

I can understand people not liking the fork but I always find it funny when they call it malware.
I would like to hear the definition of malware and why is the only fork that falls under that category.
Also while I enjoy drama Monday it seems the same topic is discussed daily now.

 

[hippy dave]

I can understand people not liking the fork but I always find it funny when they call it malware.
I would like to hear the definition of malware and why is the only fork that falls under that category.
Also while I enjoy drama Monday it seems the same topic is discussed daily now.

It replaces CFW files and configuration. It was initially doing this without asking or warning the user (blawar denies this now, but from experience I will trust most other people's word over his), and it still doesn't give honest details of what it does. It's not the first time we've had his users come here complaining that their working CFW configuration has been broken by his software.

 

[JRoad]

It replaces CFW files and configuration. It was initially doing this without asking or warning the user (blawar denies this now, but from experience I will trust most other people's word over his). It's not the first time we've had his users come here complaining that their working CFW configuration has been broken by his software.

Don't you download it from the web though like any other FW pack?
Either way my understanding of malware is something intentionally malign. Now if you're equating it to "brickachu" and can justify to me why in a rational and impartial way I'll take your definition of malware.

 

[Sno0t]

To be honest, I think a lot of people just try to make @blawar look bad.
Or more bad as he may actually be (I mean he himself said 'this tool is written by a not nice person')

Of course it is not okay to state that he "just fixed atmos bugs" in his fork, and of course he should mention the actual changes as well as the changed buttons in big letters so that every one can see them.
And I absolutely agree that "opening" prodinfo as he likes is a no go.

However, there are alternatives to tinfoil, there is the mod, there are other CFWs in which you don't have that much hassle to start using tinfoil at all.
AND, what I see as a pretty important point...
It is his software so he is free to decide what kind of requirements or restrictions he puts into or on it.
This includes open/closed source as well...

I am thankful for the effort he puts into his creations (tinfoil and incognito are those that I use(d))
But I am also not happy with the points mentioned above, hence I am using the mod.

tl;dr:
- Yeah he should state his changes more clear and understandable for end users
- It is undeniable that the scene has profited from his contributions

I just wanted to add my 2 cents here.
I would rather have it that everyone could agree on the different POVs instead of accusations, discrediting and disrespectful behavior towards each other....

Well..enough said.
Great day to everyone

 

[hippy dave]

Don't you download it from the web though like any other FW pack?
Either way my understanding of malware is something intentionally malign. Now if you're equating it to "brickachu" and can justify to me why in a rational and impartial way I'll take your definition of malware.

Eh. I'm not equating it to a bricker. How about I call it "fucking up people's systems out of his spite toward Atmosphere and its users", instead of "malware", is that somehow better?

 

[JRoad]

Eh. I'm not equating it to a bricker. How about I call it "fucking up people's systems out of his spite toward Atmosphere and its users", instead of "malware", is that somehow better?

I was asking to the people that are calling it malware, malign or virus since It's a term that seems funny to me.
My second point is it's been weeks talking about the same thing, once and again, opening a ton of posts about it and it seems tiresome, and it scalates each time more and at some point tinfoil will be skynet apparently and take control of your console and who knows maybe it will boot games for you and have a better taste than you XD
And yes for once I'm trolling but I can't take seriously the 100th post about the badness of tinfoil where the only person with a well put argument is the one that wrote above you.
Resting my argument your honor, moving on to serious stuff again.

 

[hippy dave]

I was asking to the people that are calling it malware, malign or virus since It's a term that seems funny to me.
My second point is it's been weeks talking about the same thing, once and again, opening a ton of posts about it and it seems tiresome, and it scalates each time more and at some point tinfoil will be skynet apparently and take control of your console and who knows maybe it will boot games for you and have a better taste than you XD
And yes for once I'm trolling but I can't take seriously the 100th post about the badness of tinfoil where the only person with a well put argument is the one that wrote above you.
Resting my argument your honor, moving on to serious stuff again.

It's partly about calling him out on his bullshit. It comes up a lot tho because people are still turning up with problems being caused by his bullshit, that the rest of us have to diagnose and solve for them.

 

[blawar]

It's partly about calling him out on his bullshit. It comes up a lot tho because people are still turning up with problems being caused by his bullshit, that the rest of us have to diagnose and solve for them.

Which problem does the fork cause?

 

[hippy dave]

Which problem does the fork cause?

Most recently the homebrew button input in 9.0 issue ("it worked and then I installed dzfoil and then it didn't work, what happened?!"), but you know there've been other issues while you've been experimenting with the best way to fuck around with other people's systems.
e: btw I figured it out for you, the best way to fuck around with other people's systems is "fucking don't ffs".

 

[altorn]

- Seconding what Lacius said
- blawar changed a bunch of stuff, some of it unsafe
- he's not properly informing/getting consent to do this
- His motives are mostly personal, and to do with a developer feud, not anything necessary, or useful for users
- exposes your prodinfo (the stuff that can get you banned)
- works extra to do all this, says this is what "unsupported" looks like

damn, i remember conversing with blawar when he was saying GoldLeaf/GoldTree has serious security issues. lol

 

[blawar]

Most recently the homebrew button input in 9.0 issue ("it worked and then I installed dzfoil and then it didn't work, what happened?!"), but you know there've been other issues while you've been experimenting with the best way to fuck around with other people's systems.
e: btw I figured it out for you, the best way to fuck around with other people's systems is "fucking don't ffs".

Old homebrew compatibility was a mistake scires made, that is going to haunt the scene for awhile.

One of the benefits of forks, is you can fix things other people screw up. That is what I am doing. You should be supporting me, it puts a check on scires dictatorship for scene standards. Unfortunately, because scires added that bullshit, SX added it. And SX is never going to remove it, which is why I say scires fucked the scene there. I am no removing hotkeys to support that hack. If you havent noticed, people like you will bitch a lot about it. Then when you realize im not going to change it, you give up and just accept it. The same thing will happy here.

 

[JRoad]

damn, i remember conversing with blawar when he was saying GoldLeaf/GoldTree has serious security issues. lol

He meant not checking sig1 to ensure the file didn't suffer modifications. If you don't activate unsigned code is true that tinfoil doesn't let you to install anything that doesn't match the Nintendo signature, so you can't install a bricker.
For something to be modified doesn't mean it's bad, you can think about it in the same way as the message android gives you when you install something from outside the play store.

 

[hippy dave]

Old homebrew compatibility was a mistake scires made, that is going to haunt the scene for awhile.

One of the benefits of forks, is you can fix things other people screw up. That is what I am doing. You should be supporting me, it puts a check on scires dictatorship for scene standards. Unfortunately, because scires added that bullshit, SX added it. And SX is never going to remove it, which is why I say scires fucked the scene there.

Sure, supporting a much worse wannabe dictator sounds like a great way to improve things.
I have no issue with this particular decision for atmosphere, it helps things now and homebrew is rapidly getting rebuilt anyway. I'm not aware of many abandoned closed-source projects that people still use, the only possibility that's been on my radar is nxmtp, which will remain useable regardless.
SX is responsible for their own bad decisions, this would be the very least of them lately. They really need to pay better attention to the way they cobble together their stolen code, it's all going to shit as we speak.

 

[blawar]

Sure, supporting a much worse wannabe dictator sounds like a great way to improve things.
I have no issue with this particular decision for atmosphere, it helps things now and homebrew is rapidly getting rebuilt anyway. I'm not aware of many abandoned closed-source projects that people still use, the only possibility that's been on my radar is nxmtp, which will remain useable regardless.
SX is responsible for their own bad decisions, this would be the very least of them lately. They really need to pay better attention to the way they cobble together their stolen code, it's all going to shit as we speak.

two bad dictators are better than one. At least they act as a little check on themselves hah. I'm going to add some more cool features to differentiate the two even more.

 

[hippy dave]

two bad dictators are better than one. At least they act as a little check on themselves hah. I'm going to add some more cool features to differentiate the two even more.

I "look forward" to trying to fix more of your users' new problems as they occur.

 

[Engezerstorung]

and now its scirem fault for defining a while ago some standart that got broke with 9.0... so basically make an argument of him not having precognition...
nice spin you put on it... like any of your arguments...

 

[Hayato213]

Old homebrew compatibility was a mistake scires made, that is going to haunt the scene for awhile.

One of the benefits of forks, is you can fix things other people screw up. That is what I am doing. You should be supporting me, it puts a check on scires dictatorship for scene standards. Unfortunately, because scires added that bullshit, SX added it. And SX is never going to remove it, which is why I say scires fucked the scene there. I am no removing hotkeys to support that hack. If you havent noticed, people like you will bitch a lot about it. Then when you realize im not going to change it, you give up and just accept it. The same thing will happy here.

Seriously SciresM is a much better programmer than you can ever be blawar, your tinfoil releases have people jumping up and down just to use the HBG Shop. First with the 1.56 version bullshit that you bs with Kosmos developers about lack of patches, and now you are forcing people to use your stupid mercury program and a custom fork of Atmosphere. People would like you a lot more if you didn't pull these little bs.

 

[Crusatyr]

I have no issue with this particular decision for atmosphere, it helps things now and homebrew is rapidly getting rebuilt anyway.

I had a long rant that I was going to type out for you. Instead, I'll ask a single question that I'd like answered. Who does this decision help, and how does it help them?