Windows 7 will receive paid monthly updates after support ends

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In a recent blog post titled “Helping customers shift to a modern desktop”, Microsoft has confirmed that from 14 January 2020, when the extended support for Windows 7 ends, they will only keep pushing security updates to Windows 7 users who have signed up to a monthly paid subscription. Microsoft also says that the subscription fee will increase every year.

Jared Spataro (Corporate Vice President for Office and Windows Marketing) said:
Today we are announcing that we will offer paid Windows 7 Extended Security Updates (ESU) through January 2023. The Windows 7 ESU will be sold on a per-device basis and the price will increase each year.

The pricing has not yet been revealed and Microsoft is only making this offer to Windows 7 Professional users. Seems like if you want to keep your devices safe, you will soon have to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10.

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A few things:
  1. Microsoft fully acknowledges that no operating system is 100% secure, and you accept these risks as a consumer of their product.
Microsoft doesn't make the laws. Microsoft can say all it likes "caveat emptor", but that's not the law.

2. The fact that Microsoft is dropping support for Windows 7 in 2020 is not news. Anyone who purchased and/or used Windows 7 accepted these terms. They generally support an operating system for ten years, and they're very transparent about this.

That may get them off the hook, but again considering the scope of defects in their product and the need in society to not have a bunch of systems with insecure OSs, it may still be incumbent upon Microsoft to continue to provide support in some way. Fundamentally, Windows is a critical piece of software in the economy, and nominally we do not allow for critical products with critical flaws to continue to exist without some sort of push back by the government because the harm to society as a whole should be born by the source of that harm, the product maker. Functionally, this either comes in the form of regulatory laws or lawsuits. Of course, the US government is very pro business, so it's unlikely they'll actually do anything. The EU is a different story.

3. Microsoft did offer a free upgrade path from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

The critical word in the statement is "did". And again, I'm not sure if Windows 10 would qualify as sufficiently synonymous to cover Microsoft's obligation.

Microsoft had no legal obligation to offer a free upgrade to Windows 10, and they have no legal obligation to offer a refund.

The courts have not so far found such, but that does not mean the courts if brought with a challenge to that effect would not agree. What I'm making is a legal argument (IANAL) based upon my limited understanding and experience upon what not only could be interpreted as legally true but certainly something that should be pushed to be true. It is entirely unreasonable to sell defective software for a decade, offer incomplete patches to fix it, and leave people to "upgrade" by possibly paying them yet more money. That they chose to offer a free upgrade path [for a limited time] shouldn't be optional or sufficient.

Anyways, that's my feelings on the situation.
 

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Microsoft doesn't make the laws. Microsoft can say all it likes "caveat emptor", but that's not the law.



That may get them off the hook, but again considering the scope of defects in their product and the need in society to not have a bunch of systems with insecure OSs, it may still be incumbent upon Microsoft to continue to provide support in some way. Fundamentally, Windows is a critical piece of software in the economy, and nominally we do not allow for critical products with critical flaws to continue to exist without some sort of push back by the government because the harm to society as a whole should be born by the source of that harm, the product maker. Functionally, this either comes in the form of regulatory laws or lawsuits. Of course, the US government is very pro business, so it's unlikely they'll actually do anything. The EU is a different story.



The critical word in the statement is "did". And again, I'm not sure if Windows 10 would qualify as sufficiently synonymous to cover Microsoft's obligation.



The courts have not so far found such, but that does not mean the courts if brought with a challenge to that effect would not agree. What I'm making is a legal argument (IANAL) based upon my limited understanding and experience upon what not only could be interpreted as legally true but certainly something that should be pushed to be true. It is entirely unreasonable to sell defective software for a decade, offer incomplete patches to fix it, and leave people to "upgrade" by possibly paying them yet more money. That they chose to offer a free upgrade path [for a limited time] shouldn't be optional or sufficient.

Anyways, that's my feelings on the situation.
If you're explicitly buying ten years of support, then Microsoft has no legal obligation to provide you anything more than that. End of story.
 

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Windows 7 is decade-old software and any software development company would want to leave behind such an old program/operating system. Since at least 2010 we knew the exact end-of-life dates would be 2015 (mainstream) and 2020 (extended). This was going to happen and it's just closer now. And was no surprise that custom support would happen in a similar fashion to Windows XP.

But none of that matters because people will be upset anyway (even though Microsoft supports their operating systems longer than almost anyone else).
 
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With this move, it might make people more enticed to try out Linux/Android on their PCs.

Paid updates.. lol. Microsoft might as well expand the Gold membership to Windows then.
 

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With this move, it might make people more enticed to try out Linux/Android on their PCs.

Paid updates.. lol. Microsoft might as well expand the Gold membership to Windows then.
Again, Microsoft offered a free upgrade to Windows 10, and it can still be done if you know what you're doing.
 

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If you're explicitly buying ten years of support, then Microsoft has no legal obligation to provide you anything more than that. End of story.

Except people weren't buying "ten years of support" if they bought a copy of Windows 7 on October 31, 2016 (the last day Microsoft sold Windows 7). And again, in the end, Microsoft isn't the sold decider of their legal obligations. If in 2021 someone sustains substantial unexpected harm from the use of Windows 7, they may well have a legal case against Microsoft--the EULA may or may not offer them protection. So, it's not as simple as "End of story".
 

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Except people weren't buying "ten years of support" if they bought a copy of Windows 7 on October 31, 2016 (the last day Microsoft sold Windows 7). And again, in the end, Microsoft isn't the sold decider of their legal obligations. If in 2021 someone sustains substantial unexpected harm from the use of Windows 7, they may well have a legal case against Microsoft--the EULA may or may not offer them protection. So, it's not as simple as "End of story".
You're right. They were explicitly buying a product receiving updates throughout the window of July 22, 2009 to January 14, 2020. There is no legal case against Microsoft.
 

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There are better and more permanent ways to activate Windows 10.

I know. I just bought a key for windows 10 for like 5 bucks. I used to use KMS Activator to all hell before though. Until I got all fearmongered into the whole virus and keylogger shit.
 

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Basically a non-issue for consumers. Everyone using windows should be on Windows 10. Windows 7 is just all around inferior at this point.

I was initially resistant to the thought, but after being forced to use a windows 10 laptop for 3 months I realized I was an idiot and that Windows 10 is much better.

Makes sense to make people pay to keep using an archaic, outdated OS. It's time to move on.
 

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At this point, if people want to remain safe, they'll have to do one of the following:
  1. Upgrade to Windows 10
  2. Switch to any Linux distro of your choice (I recommend Ubuntu)
  3. Pay the monthly fee (but honestly, who wants to do that?) or
  4. Stop using your PC altogether, which I'm sure many of you don't want to do.
If you don't want to support Microsoft, that's fine. Install a Linux distro and don't use Windows or pirate Windows 10. But if you keep using this dinosaur without paying the monthly Microsoft Tax™, you're in for a world of pain and malware.
 
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"Greed", as if this isn't them doing more than what they initially promised anyway
Yes and no. Given the cost increase year over year, all they're doing is using a different tactic to push Windows 10 on people. There's no good reason Microsoft couldn't support each of their OSes for considerably longer than they do. Especially with Windows 7 if they're going to be continuing to support Windows 8 (for free) anyway. Somebody could probably patch those updates to be Win7 compatible easily.
 
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what prevents us from making our own W7 updates I remember seeing an "unofficial" Windows XP SP4 well there is legal rammifications but it's MS's fault if the user takes the driver seat after MS ducked an rolled out of the speeding car so to put an analogy to you MS is going to charge you with carjacking even if they jumped out of the driver's seat and your about to go over a cliff? sounds about right
 
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Every software that can be used on w7 can be used on 10

While its good, its not 100%, Ive had some issues with hardware which only received “beta” support, mainly my asus d2x and drm like securom is intentionally blocked, albeit with good reasons.
 

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Yes and no. Given the cost increase year over year, all they're doing is using a different tactic to push Windows 10 on people. There's no good reason Microsoft couldn't support each of their OSes for considerably longer than they do. Especially with Windows 7 if they're going to be continuing to support Windows 8 (for free) anyway. Somebody could probably patch those updates to be Win7 compatible easily.
Eh... Maybe. I know that at it's core, Windows is still just NT, but it's split into a major revision every time there's been a new version of Windows if I recall correctly. It'd be a bit much to assume that anything related to hotfixing the underlying system would be backwards compatible with previous versions
 
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Dude, you've had 3 years to do the upgrade, and as far as I'm aware the accessibility upgrade method still nets you a free copy of Windows 10. If you haven't upgraded yet that's on you, not Microsoft
Hey read before you reply im already on 10 and i dont need the upgrade,
i even mentioned it in the post you replyed to, and thanks but im fully aware of what stand or stood..
So nothing is on me haha
 

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