Hacking Nintendo Switch Compromised: Nintendo's View?

hhamlet90 · Aug 7, 2018

Ian095 said:
It's not wrong though, lol. Nintendo doesn't give a crap about us just as any other company wouldn't. Why should I care if I'm stealing their software if it benefits me?

They maybe dont give a crap about you, but they dont harm you. You in contrast steal from them. They make less profit so they have to save in other place. Like normal employeers. So u dont harm nintendo or the CEO or the „Bosses“. U are one of the reason why thousans of people lose their jobs. How will u justify that? Would u like it if i came to your place and steal from u to make profit? I mean hey u dont care about me so why should i about u?

Dont misunderstand me, im not a moral apostle, but dont act like robin hood, u r stealing and stealing is wrong!

Ashura66 · Aug 7, 2018

hhamlet90 said:
They maybe dont give a crap about you, but they dont harm you. You in contrast steal from them. They make less profit so they have to save in other place. Like normal employeers. So u dont harm nintendo or the CEO or the „Bosses“. U are one of the reason why thousans of people lose their jobs. How will u justify that? Would u like it if i came to your place and steal from u to make profit? I mean hey u dont care about me so why should i about u?

Oh please, don't give us that old argument. It's a well known fact that piracy does NOT impact sales as much as people make it seem. Sure it's morally wrong and the company wont make as much money but they still make more than enough money to get a damn good profit. Piracy isn't taking away anyone's jobs

hhamlet90 · Aug 7, 2018

@Ashura66

man i dont want to judge that, i dont care about piracy, in my opinion its a crime without victims, BUT dont say u do it for vengeance, ohhhh the big company dont give a shit about me so i will fuck them. U steal so call it stealing.

Ashura66 · Aug 7, 2018

hhamlet90 said:
@Ashura66

man i dont want to judge that, i dont care about piracy, in my opinion its a crime without victims, BUT dont say u do it for vengeance, ohhhh the big company dont give a shit about me so i will fuck them. U steal so call it stealing.

I never said it's not a crime, it is a crime and it's illegal, i recognize that. However, no matter what reason you have for doing it, it's not going to affect the company as much as people make it sound. For every person pirating a game, 10 people(and this is a gross estimate) legally buy the game so they make more than enough profit. This, of course, does NOT excuse pirating whatsoever. And no, doing it out of revenge or what have you is just dumb

hhamlet90 · Aug 7, 2018

Ashura66 said:
I never said it's not a crime, it is a crime and it's illegal, i recognize that. However, no matter what reason you have for doing it, it's not going to affect the company as much as people make it sound. For every person pirating a game, 10 people(and this is a gross estimate) legally buy the game so they make more than enough profit. This, of course, does NOT excuse pirating whatsoever. And no, doing it out of revenge or what have you is just dumb

Thats what im talking about.

Yami Anubis ZX · Aug 7, 2018

I feel as if this is happening due to change in management, the new President is young, so it will take awhile for him to learn that no matter what he does, he can't stop hackers from hacking Nintendo devices, it will always happen.

Now the big thing that will catch up to Nintendo will be 2 things, they illegally bypassed USB C protocol and the fact that if they do a full ban on switch systems, which make it impossible for you to do firmware updates and game updates, in Japan, I'm sure there draconian ways can get away but in other countries, no not really and thanks to new blood, I'm sure Nintendo will learn in the future that they will have to start doing things legally.

I believe it's illegal for Nintendo to ban you from firmware updates and game updates, online, they have a right cause cheaters can get annoying but the firmware update ban and game updates ban is technically illegal and will get them big time.

Kioku · Aug 7, 2018

Yami Anubis ZX said:
I feel as if this is happening due to change in management, the new President is young, so it will take awhile for him to learn that no matter what he does, he can't stop hackers from hacking Nintendo devices, it will always happen.

Now the big thing that will catch up to Nintendo will be 2 things, they illegally bypassed USB C protocol and the fact that if they do a full ban on switch systems, which make it impossible for you to do firmware updates and game updates, in Japan, I'm sure there draconian ways can get away but in other countries, no not really and thanks to new blood, I'm sure Nintendo will learn in the future that they will have to start doing things legally.

I doubt the end goal is to prevent people from modifying the system..

FAST6191 · Aug 7, 2018

Yami Anubis ZX said:
Now the big thing that will catch up to Nintendo will be 2 things, they illegally bypassed USB C protocol and the fact that if they do a full ban on switch systems, which make it impossible for you to do firmware updates and game updates, in Japan, I'm sure there draconian ways can get away but in other countries, no not really and thanks to new blood, I'm sure Nintendo will learn in the future that they will have to start doing things legally.

Were they in any way obliged to use USB-C (either by some mandate somewhere or they themselves claiming it supported it)? I am not aware of anything here and anything similar I have seen (Europe does some things but that is mostly "e-waste" related) would not seem to apply here.
Similarly as far as I am aware firmware updates come on games (thus no game is "blocked") and game updates might be tricky (and might be a reason to be able to return a game) but I am not sure of any law anywhere that says they must be made available and can't be treated as a privilege. I would like them to be made available as simple "copy this to the SD (and boot up)" type things but that is all that would take in the event some court somewhere did go so far.

Ian095 · Aug 7, 2018

hhamlet90 said:
They maybe dont give a crap about you, but they dont harm you. You in contrast steal from them. They make less profit so they have to save in other place. Like normal employeers. So u dont harm nintendo or the CEO or the „Bosses“. U are one of the reason why thousans of people lose their jobs. How will u justify that? Would u like it if i came to your place and steal from u to make profit? I mean hey u dont care about me so why should i about u?

Dont misunderstand me, im not a moral apostle, but dont act like robin hood, u r stealing and stealing is wrong!

I never said it wasn't wrong. I just don't have good morals. Nobody is going to lose their job over me stealing a few games and if they do, the game likely wasn't very good in the first place for that to happen. I'm not trying to use them not caring as a justification though I admit it sounds like it. Just why should I really care when the person on the other end would likely screw me over too. Music artists don't lose their jobs despite so much music being pirated, I would say it's far less a problem for video games. At the end of the day I'd rather save my own money than be a good person. I do think a lot of justification for stealing is stupid, you either do it and accept it for what it is or just don't do it at all rather than trying to say "I just made a copy" but yeah I would rather buy something I can't steal with my money which is probably the most condescending thing I'll say this year.

Ashura66 · Aug 7, 2018

Yami Anubis ZX said:
I feel as if this is happening due to change in management, the new President is young, so it will take awhile for him to learn that no matter what he does, he can't stop hackers from hacking Nintendo devices, it will always happen.

Now the big thing that will catch up to Nintendo will be 2 things, they illegally bypassed USB C protocol and the fact that if they do a full ban on switch systems, which make it impossible for you to do firmware updates and game updates, in Japan, I'm sure there draconian ways can get away but in other countries, no not really and thanks to new blood, I'm sure Nintendo will learn in the future that they will have to start doing things legally.

I believe it's illegal for Nintendo to ban you from firmware updates and game updates, online, they have a right cause cheaters can get annoying but the firmware update ban and game updates ban is technically illegal and will get them big time.

If it's so illegal then how come they've done it already? There have been reports of people being hit with "superbans" already

Yami Anubis ZX · Aug 7, 2018

Yami Anubis ZX said:
I feel as if this is happening due to change in management, the new President is young, so it will take awhile for him to learn that no matter what he does, he can't stop hackers from hacking Nintendo devices, it will always happen.

Now the big thing that will catch up to Nintendo will be 2 things, they illegally bypassed USB C protocol and the fact that if they do a full ban on switch systems, which make it impossible for you to do firmware updates and game updates, in Japan, I'm sure there draconian ways can get away but in other countries, no not really and thanks to new blood, I'm sure Nintendo will learn in the future that they will have to start doing things legally.

Ashura66 said:
If it's so illegal then how come they've done it already? There have been reports of people being hit with "superbans" already

You seem to think that it will happen overnight, it takes years but eventually what Nintendo is doing will be seen as illegal and yes under law it is illegal and it will catch up to them.

FAST6191 · Aug 7, 2018

Yami Anubis ZX said:
You seem to think that it will happen overnight, it takes years but eventually what Nintendo is doing will be seen as illegal and yes under law it is illegal and it will catch up to them.

What law and even if it is not currently then why would it change?

I see no reason to compel anybody to use USB-C in instances like this.

Similarly if I make a luxury device then I can boot it from my network for any reason I so desire, especially cheating. I much prefer open devices where users can set up and police their own servers if they want but this then seems like one of those "vote with your wallet" type situations.

Yami Anubis ZX · Aug 7, 2018

FAST6191 said:
Were they in any way obliged to use USB-C (either by some mandate somewhere or they themselves claiming it supported it)? I am not aware of anything here and anything similar I have seen (Europe does some things but that is mostly "e-waste" related) would not seem to apply here.
Similarly as far as I am aware firmware updates come on games (thus no game is "blocked") and game updates might be tricky (and might be a reason to be able to return a game) but I am not sure of any law anywhere that says they must be made available and can't be treated as a privilege. I would like them to be made available as simple "copy this to the SD (and boot up)" type things but that is all that would take in the event some court somewhere did go so far.

It uses USB C and Nintendo tried making it more to there liking, which is why there's bricking when using certain docks, also the superbans will get them in court but I know there's other ways to bypass it.

Xzi · Aug 7, 2018

Tilde88 said:
No. Nintendo knew about the vulnerability. In fact, there are comments in the current code which reference the patches to fix the issue. This was on Nintendo.

Guess they didn't care then. Were probably already getting cheap TX1 boards.

Yami Anubis ZX · Aug 7, 2018

FAST6191 said:
What law and even if it is not currently then why would it change?

I see no reason to compel anybody to use USB-C in instances like this.

Similarly if I make a luxury device then I can boot it from my network for any reason I so desire, especially cheating. I much prefer open devices where users can set up and police their own servers if they want but this then seems like one of those "vote with your wallet" type situations.

Oh it will change, time has shown us that.

FAST6191 · Aug 7, 2018

Yami Anubis ZX said:
It uses USB C and Nintendo tried making it more to there liking, which is why there's bricking when using certain docks, also the superbans will get them in court but I know there's other ways to bypass it.

It uses something shaped like USB-C. As long as Nintendo did not claim it was USB-C (and as far as I am aware they also stated don't use third party devices). I will chastise them for poor design (they are designing for the mass market, thus they should have designed for idiots) but as far as seeming them slapped by courts or them doing anything wrong under the law, or there being scope for it to be made wrong under the law, I am at a loss for anything.

I am also not seeing scope for superbans (bans that prevent online downloading of device updates and game updates) to get them them into trouble with the court, especially not when every game carries the relevant update level needed to play it and every update level is backwards compatible.

Yami Anubis ZX said:
Oh it will change, time has shown us that.

I am all too keenly aware of laws changing, sometimes because the initial laws were written by idiots and those with vested interests and other times because of other reasons. However I am not seeing any fundamental principles of law that would make for the basis for the things you want to happen and can see plenty of things that would have to removed before it would stand a chance of happening, said things already in place I would classify as good or essential.
As such I would not support a change in the law to make such things unlawful either -- would pose far too great a restriction on other things for no real gain. If someone wants to sell a locked down proprietary piece of junk then they can try, if people are foolish enough to buy it then so it goes.

Ericthegreat · Aug 7, 2018

Andalitez said:
"Lol let's release a statement letting our users know they can pirate every single game to date if they bought a machine from launch until the beginning of this year..." - NoNintendoEver

Actully Nintendo japan (and eventually the US too?) had a page about the R4.

Hi-Dro · Aug 7, 2018

I often thought that Nintendo purposely left open a back door for their handhelds since the 3DS to marginally increase hardware sales.
I'm pretty sure the 3DS dominated the handheld market due to Hacks while the PS Vita failed massively because of their hard line approach to piracy eg. Special Vita memory cards and permanent PSN bans for any one who did manage to hack it.
I also think that the 50/60% of people who do hack only do so to play abandonware games from the 80's and 90's and turn it into a retro device.

disence · Aug 7, 2018

After what happened, Nvidia is on the Nintendo blacklist. :switch:

aykay55 · Aug 7, 2018

Yami Anubis ZX said:
I feel as if this is happening due to change in management, the new President is young, so it will take awhile for him to learn that no matter what he does, he can't stop hackers from hacking Nintendo devices, it will always happen.

Now the big thing that will catch up to Nintendo will be 2 things, they illegally bypassed USB C protocol and the fact that if they do a full ban on switch systems, which make it impossible for you to do firmware updates and game updates, in Japan, I'm sure there draconian ways can get away but in other countries, no not really and thanks to new blood, I'm sure Nintendo will learn in the future that they will have to start doing things legally.

I believe it's illegal for Nintendo to ban you from firmware updates and game updates, online, they have a right cause cheaters can get annoying but the firmware update ban and game updates ban is technically illegal and will get them big time.

Umm, sorry to burst your bubble but Nintendo has every right to do that. Nintendo grants you a license to use Switch OS, games and other software and they have every right to revoke it due to a violation of their EULA, which very literally means End User License Agreement :rofl2:

. All jokes aside, Nintendo has absolutely every right to revoke your access to their software, which includes any updates to that software. The only thing you actually own is the Nintendo Switch console, everything else is only licensed to you.

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