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Are you American? Are you circumcized? Then you NEED to watch this

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maybe in archaic times, but now theres no cut what so ever , its a small cap and an elastic ... not some knife and skin kept like some afterbirth
.... but you keep believing the bullshit you hear instead of watching it twice like i have , its simple, less painful than a piercing and falls off in the diaper not in the hospital . its not some surgery like you are led to believe.

and your generation should really enjoy this part , you have much less cleaning to do throughout the rest of your life
I can't just accept your anecdote as a universal truth, I'm very sorry. The simple fact remains that circumcision requires separation of skin from the body, it is a surgical procedure and carries risk, no matter how small.

The shaming language, again, really isn't necessary. Be civil. You don't know which generation I am part of, and it only diminishes receptivity to your writing.
 
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I can't just accept your anecdote as a universal truth, I'm very sorry. The simple fact remains that circumcision requires separation of skin from the body, it is a surgical procedure and carries risk, no matter how small.

The shaming language, again, really isn't necessary. Be civil. You don't know which generation I am part of, and it only diminishes receptivity to your writing.
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less than a minute , no surgery , so uniformed yet so opinionated.

hurts more and takes longer to remove a wart.

im done , youre all out to believe the worst and havent seen shit in real life, yet your opinion is supposed to make some dramatic point :rofl:
 
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and your generation should really enjoy this part , you have much less cleaning to do throughout the rest of your life.
What's this obsession of "less cleaning" y'all have? We aren't talking about a one-room apartment, it's your body. You should always keep it clean. A small piece of skin doesn't slow you down for one hour lol
 

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maybe in archaic times, but now theres no cut what so ever , its a small cap and an elastic ... not some knife and skin kept like some afterbirth
.... but you keep believing the bullshit you hear instead of watching it twice like i have , its simple, less painful than a piercing and falls off in the diaper not in the hospital . its not some surgery like you are led to believe.
You're right that it falls off if they use the tie it off method. But they do definitely cut it as well (there's different methods). And the tool you linked is used for both. The tie it off method also takes 6-12 days though, not mere minutes.
 

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Okay...just watched the entire movie of the opening post. Man...that guy is seriously PISSED!!!

Worse: he's pissed with very good reason and brings strong stuff. Researches, quotes, context...you name it. Yes, it's a long watch, but a pretty darn interesting one. I don't just say that because it aligns with my own view on the topic (which kind of makes my posts in this thread at best as someone blatantly copying the topic), but because the guy honestly, really sees this as an issue. And backs up why that is.

Nonetheless, the OP could've used a summary. He brings his speech down to five bullet points (Clopper's Five Censored Facts) which he'll reveal as he goes along. If you want, you can skip to around 1:35. From that point on, it's more of a global view on the matter rather than breaking everything down.

To those lazy or at work: here are the points he discusses (and to a very decent degree: proves) :
1) rabbis designed and implemented circumcision to damage Jewish children's sexuality
2) American physicians adopted circumcision to damage our children's sexuality
3) circumcision significantly damages you for life. the foreskin is important
4) the US media continues to feed us the AAP's Circumcision Recommendation which is a blatant unapologetically LIE motivated by religious ideologies
5) male and female circumcision are identical
I gotta watch the video now. I always knew that circumcision was used to suppress male sexuality, masturbation is bad belief. If this is true then wouldn't that put it on par with Middle East Female Genital Mutilation used to suppress female sexuality. Over there women have the belief thats it's better for them and are kept ignorant about negative effects. Then wouldn't the same be applied with male circumcision that males are kept ignorant about the negatives and think its for the better or is no big deal. People say that FGM is a form of female oppression then wouldn't the same be true that Circumcision is a form of male oppression if they are identical. I personally wouldn't consider it oppression though but if it does have huge negative effects then maybe?

I would have to set some time later on to watch it.
 

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I gotta watch the video now. I always knew that circumcision was used to suppress male sexuality, masturbation is bad belief. If this is true then wouldn't that put it on par with Middle East Female Genital Mutilation used to suppress female sexuality. Over there women have the belief thats it's better for them and are kept ignorant about negative effects. Then wouldn't the same be applied with male circumcision that males are kept ignorant about the negatives and think its for the better or is no big deal. People say that FGM is a form of female oppression then wouldn't the same be true that Circumcision is a form of male oppression if they are identical. I personally wouldn't consider it oppression though but if it does have huge negative effects then maybe?

I would have to set some time later on to watch it.
It's the same concept. Severity wise though it's not comparable.
 

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Sorry, but I really gotta side with @WeedZ and a few others here. Of course, the fact that I have a bitch on my lap just about everyday makes me subjective.

When we got her neutered, she was a bit groggy for a day and walked a bit funny for a week (which for a large part had to do with the proverbial diaper she had to wear to prevent her clawing at the operation wires underneath her belly*. After that, it was EXACTLY as if nothing had happened. I'm very willing to line up a few dogs and bet all my savings on that you can't tell by their behavior which one is neutered and which one isn't. That whole "it'll calm them down" might be true, but I certainly can't tell.

And...isn't it weird that you talk about a single routine operation as being torture, while at the same time assessing that you should never let your dog run around freely. Any dog owner can tell you that the difference between a dog on a leech and a dog that runs free is a major one. Of course you need responsibility, but jezus...dogs really need to be able to run free from time to time (within boundaries, of course. As dog owners, you're still responsible what might happen. But suddenly having to take care of a whole nest shouldn't be one of the risks).

*if we let nature run her course on THAT, she would've scarred herself for life.

I don't want to get into details because it gets off topic, but here's some insights as to why it's bad, especially BEFORE puberty (which is what the law in LA forces you to do):
https://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2016/07/27/neutering-spaying-effects.aspx
https://dogsfirst.ie/health-issues/dog-neutering/
If you look at the "pros", there is literally just one that actually -has- to do with the pet health (ovary/testicle cancer, and there are natural workarounds versus other risks caused by neutering too early https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/long-term-health-risks-benefits-spay-neuter-dogs/), everything else is about convenience around the house / with others. Aka something that can be done through training. Training is not torture, we do it to our own kids through education.
Also your dog has to be on leash in public spaces no matter what by law so it doesn't exactly change anything. That doesn't mean they have to stay on leash at all time either. If you have a yard you can let them run free under supervision (a neutered dog can escape just like an intact dog, so there again it doesn't change anything).

As one of the article says (and I can confirm for having lived most of my life in Europe) intact dogs are the norm in Europe, and they aren't more aggressive, there are less stray dogs (excluding Bulgaria/Romania etc) and they live just as long.

If you gotta read just one link I suggest the third one, it is as objective as you can get and takes into account recent findings.

Anyway, sorry for the off topic, I think it's gonna end up in a agree to disagree but that's how discussions go :)
 
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maybe in archaic times, but now theres no cut what so ever , its a small cap and an elastic ... not some knife and skin kept like some afterbirth
.... but you keep believing the bullshit you hear instead of watching it twice like i have , its simple, less painful than a piercing and falls off in the diaper not in the hospital . its not some surgery like you are led to believe.

and your generation should really enjoy this part , you have much less cleaning to do throughout the rest of your life.

...oh and assholes , ears and lips are all cut off the cow and disposed of , ... but hey i bet you fell for that shit when you were told that they were put in hotdogs
Even if the process is painless there are no good reasons to mutilate an infant's genitals. You permanently mess them up.

There are no pros, but a bunch of cons. It's crazy how widespread the practice is today.
 

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right. like there is no such thing as Europeans cause there is no country named europe
I mentioned this in a previous post, but that is true :P but there are no european countries with the name "europe" as the name of the country, so it's a bit harder than just that.

I'm curious if the proper for is "north american" or "southern american". I know I don't hear it terribly often anyone to be referred to as just being from north america or south america.

Even if the process is painless there are no good reasons to mutilate an infant's genitals. You permanently mess them up.

There are no pros, but a bunch of cons. It's crazy how widespread the practice is today.

Tradition and familiarity are uncomfortably powerful forces, it would seem
 
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Even if the process is painless there are no good reasons to mutilate an infant's genitals.
Even then you still have to accept the assertion that the skin somehow just peels away without any trauma. Anybody who was intact could tell at a glance that it's not possible.
 

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Even if the process is painless there are no good reasons to mutilate an infant's genitals. You permanently mess them up.

There are no pros, but a bunch of cons. It's crazy how widespread the practice is today.
https://www.medicinenet.com/circumcision_-_does_it_prevent_hiv_and__aids/ask.htm#

https://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20141202/cdc-endorses-circumcision-for-health-reasons

https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

I’d say that evidence provides arguments for both stances. @x65943 you’re in Medicine. What’re your thoughts?
 

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I like that the clinical trials cited as justification are performed in sub-saharan Africa, the HIV capital of the world, rather than the United States. This kind of disingenuous use of statistics really gets my back up.
 

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I like that the clinical trials cited as justification are performed in sub-saharan Africa, the HIV capital of the world, rather than the United States. This kind of disingenuous use of statistics really gets my back up.
That comes off as saying a malaria pills trial results are “disingenuous” because they were tried in Vietnam. Not really sure what your point is here tbh.
 

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That comes off as saying a malaria pills trial results are “disingenuous” because they were tried in Vietnam. Not really sure what your point is here tbh.
It's not the same situation for a start. A malaria pill is designed to be used in an environment where the risk of contracting malaria is prevalent and is the best method of doing so, hence why Malaria pills are not used in environments where they are unnecessary. Whereas in this case, data citing circumcision trials from African nations, where the risk of contracting disease is orders of magnitude higher, is being applied in a different environment. Not only is the risk of infection from unprotected sex alone significantly lower in developed nations, you need only see the comparable infection rates, to the United States, of western European nations where circumcision isn't a common practice to see that the procedure has negligible impact on the infection rates of a developed nation.
 

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It's not the same situation for a start. A malaria pill is designed to be used in an environment where the risk of contracting malaria is prevalent and is the best method of doing so, hence why Malaria pills are not used in environments where they are unnecessary. Whereas in this case, data citing circumcision trials from African nations, where the risk of contracting disease is orders of magnitude higher, is being applied in a different environment. Not only is the risk of infection from unprotected sex alone significantly lower in developed nations, you need only see the comparable infection rates, to the United States, of western European nations where circumcision isn't a common practice to see that the procedure has negligible impact on the infection rates of a developed nation.
Again, this makes no sense. If it’s shown to reduce risk in a high infection rate area, why would it not reduce risk in lower rate areas? It doesn’t matter what the infection rate is. On top of that, there were case studies showing evidence of defense against other diseases. Imo a lot of people here come across like they have an ax to grind for whatever reason. Religion seems to be the most likely. Another outrage flavor of the month.
 

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Again, this makes no sense. If it’s shown to reduce risk in a high infection rate area, why would it not reduce risk in lower rate areas? It doesn’t matter what the infection rate is. On top of that, there were case studies showing evidence of defense against other diseases. Imo a lot of people here come across like they have an ax to grind for whatever reason. Religion seems to be the most likely. Another outrage flavor of the month.
That's just the thing, in an area of low risk of infection your circumcized penis isn't going to benefit you at all. The risk isn't there that requires it. Even in the studies themselves, the risk of infection to circumcized patients is still a lousy coin flip and has more to do with how you take care of yourself than having a foreskin. In the highest risk area on the planet it is all but ineffectual, in the lowest risk area on the planet it is unnecessary.
 
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That's just the thing, in an area of low risk of infection your circumcized penis isn't going to benefit you at all. The risk isn't there that requires it. Even in the studies themselves, the risk of infection to circumcized patients is still a lousy coin flip and has more to do with how you take care of yourself than having a foreskin. In the highest risk area on the planet it is all but ineffectual, in the lowest risk area on the planet it is unnecessary.
What if I wanna go smash some hookers in Bangkok tho? :tpi:
 
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