Hacking [WIP] Smea's coldboothax, redNAND, homebrew Proof-of-Concept

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<censored> has never released one shred of proof of his work. Smea has actually released a proof-of-concept video, along with not stating a release date.
except he did release the keys (well pretty much 90% of them) that smea actually only released a <censored> image of.....meaning technically hykem has released more than smea when it comes to the wiiu

but again its not a competition, its not smealum vs hykem i think they are past the age of playground scuffles for popularity
 
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idk, theoretically i guess it would be possible, but it would really depend i guess on how early the wiiu mounts USB drives etc, plus there is the problem of the USB formatting aaik the wiiu will only support the native wiiu formatted USB drives, plus we dont know exactly what the exploit is, for all we know it might be based on the rumored recovery mode that runs from a SD card...thus making the SD card a more logical choice if your already running stuff from there
Oh, so in the video when he first turns it on it shows the WiiU thing that boot animation was on the sysnand right? then sometime during that boot up it mounted the SD slot and was configured to boot from it? I know the WiiU has to mount USB pretty soon because it goes through it before you can interact with the channels. As for how it's formatted wouldn't it have to be identical to the SD card for it to work as an emunand?
 

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Oh, so in the video when he first turns it on it shows the WiiU thing that boot animation was on the sysnand right? then sometime during that boot up it mounted the SD slot and was configured to boot from it? I know the WiiU has to mount USB pretty soon because it goes through it before you can interact with the channels. As for how it's formatted wouldn't it have to be identical to the SD card for it to work as an emunand?
i have no insight to the exploit smelum is using, but the fact that the recovery mode apparently runs from SD would make it more likely that the SD is initialized really early on, where as the USB drives could be fairly late in the boot up process due to them not being used for anything other than external storage, and the SD works with FAT32 where as the USB drives are per device encrypted meaning it would be more tricky to get your nand image on there to boot from (i would imagine) and yeah as he mentions in the video they get code execution during the boot animation so it boots up initially to sysnand but is hijacked before making it to the home menu via *magic*
 
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All this ungreatful behavior is exactly why the xb360 scene went 100% for profit. With a little work the reset glitch could have been completely softmod but too many people were acting this way so "those that could" went for something they could make money at. And nobody in the know pursued a softmod. I feel you people are pushing yourselves in that general direction.

Congrats to smea. And at this time I would also like to send congrats to hykem as well.
FYI team Cobra is very interested in both exploit....(just throwing that out there guys)
 

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Does anyone know if WUPinstaller checks for Update titles via something in the code or by code that tells the console to check the contents itself rather WUPinstaller checking for NON-Update titles?
because If we removes Crediar's check and use this on a signigture patched Emunand we can install full NUS titles and system config (title manager) in the sdk :3
 

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This is now the ShitPost ThreadTM. Please post accordingly.
Not if I can help it with stupid questions.

e.g. He had 2 homebrew apps installed it seemed redNAND and the smiley face. Which one of those loaded his game that he played? Also how did he get a 3ds game to work on wiiu? Doesn't porting take a wicked long time? Also he mentioned he does most his debugging on his gamepad, but why didn't the game display on the TV? Was it intentional or couldn't get it to do it.
 

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Regardless of read write speeds and all that, could he also run an emunand off of a usb drive? The 3DS doesn't have one, but is it as easy as changing a variable? Like if he popped the SD card into a USB converter and plugged it in, he could boot off that?
I think that there is very little sense in this. Wii U wants to format your usb drive into it's own filesystem. And with IOSU exploit you would most likely be able too turn signature checks off and install eshop game dumps to you usb drive just like eshop does. So you would most likely want your wii u to format your usb drive. So configuration SD card for emunand and vWii stuff and USB frive for your games seems to be optimal.
but again its not a competition, its not smealum vs hykem i think they are past the age of playground scuffles for popularity
If "popularity' wasn't an issue, they would just release technical details of exploit. But sad fact is that noone remembers authors of system flaws on 3dsbrew, but everyone know who is the author of Homebrew Launcher.

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e.g. He had 2 homebrew apps installed it seemed redNAND and the smiley face. Which one of those loaded his game that he played? Also how did he get a 3ds game to work on wiiu? Doesn't porting take a wicked long time? Also he mentioned he does most his debugging on his gamepad, but why didn't the game display on the TV? Was it intentional or couldn't get it to do it.
First homebrew app is just mark to know if he is in rednand or sysnand. Second app does load the game. That game is not 3ds game it was just ported to 3ds homebrew. They could show any info on any screen, but most likely he shows the game on bottom screen simply because he tests all stuff without his tv turned on or switched to another channel.
 

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If you want to talk about 3DS, piracy, or competition with other devs, that's the wrong place. there are other sections or threads for that.
Instead of posting unuseful comments about a how long a thread will stay clean, don't post trash in it yourself.
Pass you way, don't post if you are not talking about RedNand and not providing interesting elements.

Why can't we get serious thread ?
Why all whining kids need to post stupid video, pictures or comments ? why they need to criticize and insult other users? do you feel frustrated that much that you need to bash others to feel better?
Can't users here just grow up?

This thread is new and I could clean it up to this point. It would be great to stay like that for a little longer. just a little, please?

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You should be happy for such a big progress.
Both redNand and coldboot enabled code execution.
That's a great news and all you find to do it criticize because YOU don't have it (yet).
Thank you Smealum for your work, and showing your progress.
I'm waiting for more progress and information. Hoping to get a better/easier way to launch homebrew.
 

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i have no insight to the exploit smelum is using, but the fact that the recovery mode apparently runs from SD would make it more likely that the SD is initialized really early on, where as the USB drives could be fairly late in the boot up process due to them not being used for anything other than external storage, and the SD works with FAT32 where as the USB drives are per device encrypted meaning it would be more tricky to get your nand image on there to boot from (i would imagine) and yeah as he mentions in the video they get code execution during the boot animation so it boots up initially to sysnand but is hijacked before making it to the home menu via *magic*
To be fair, it's probably irrelevant that the SD is FAT32.
Recall on 3DS (sorry Cyan) the EmuNAND is a separate partition entirely.
The issue would be both when USB was initialized, as you said, and how the WiiU handles multi partition disks (if you wanted to share the EmuNAND with a storage disk, I presume a standalone one would probably work fine).
If it only allows you to format the entire disk as 1 partition that breaks if shrunk (which is being said theoretically, here) then it'd be much harder to get an EmuNAND going on it than if you could just shoehorn one in at the start with no consequences.
 

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That's fine to talk about how RedNAND on 3DS worked if it's to understand how this one work.
I deleted the posts related to 3DS CFW and piracy.


I don't know how this WiiU RedNAND works, but it's probably a eMMC redirection, a copy sector by sector too, like on 3DS.
on Wii, it was a file system on FAT32, and therefore you could have any SD card size, the "emuNAND size" adapted itself to the free size on SD Card partition.
But here if it's using a sector duplication method, then 32GB consoles will probably need a 32GB image written to the card. you can't boot a 8GB image on a 32GB console because it's probably signed/encrypted with the console key.

edit: unless you get the per console key and re-encrypt the dumped NAND from another console. not sure if it can be done already.
 

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Wouldn't pay too much attention to this, @smealumWe don't need another unhealthy one like the 3DS has.

I'm not sure how the 3DS scene is "un-healthy". It's seeing more CFW and HB in it's entire lifespan over the past year then it has from before then combined.
unfortunately wiiu games are quite big file sizes so not get many on a 64 gb.....maybe 3 or 4 but hey that might be enough...

I have a 32GB card with about 8-10 WiiU games, and about 20 VC games, so 64GB can hold much more.

Edit - Sorry if I'm tagging onto convo's that were removed, but just giving my opinion. Remove if you must!
 
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Why can't we get serious thread ?
Why all whining kids need to post stupid video, pictures or comments ? why they need to criticize and insult other users? do you feel frustrated that much that you need to bash others to feel better?
Can't users here just grow up?

This thread is new and I could clean it up to this point. It would be great to stay like that for a little longer. just a little, please?
It's a bit ironical that you talk about frustrated people when you just imagine something that can hurt them and say they "still kids".
So literraly it's a way to belittle them... Thing that frustrated people do according to you... :unsure:

About the news :
Too bad that now i don't find RedNand or every other hack's very usefull(on wii u)
 
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Wouldn't pay too much attention to this, @smealum will never release it. If he does you can expect it to be neutered to launch userland stuff only and the source to be closed off for months, only finally being open sourced when a newer, closed source version comes out. That's how his group operates to keep people dependent on them for updates (and it works, look at all the attention he gets for providing userland on 3DS compared to the ones who provide kernel). Looking forward to seeing Hykem jumpstart a healthy scene. We don't need another unhealthy one like the 3DS has.
Homebrew for 3DS could've and should've been great. Smealum saw potential in the scene, but alas, not much ever released. I don't see much of anything homebrew related - all the rush I see is "downgrade, install cfw, piracy, win" when we could've had all kinds of useful homebrew like the Wii. Nintendon't rose from the interest to play GCN games on the Wii U - and with the power of Wii homebrew coders it became a reality. Once a thread comes out for DS on 3DS, people just tell them to "buy a $10 R4" and that's that. Same goes for an N64 emulator, the 3-4 Undertale ports people have shown off, and anything else that could've been but never was.
The scene is also very pay-to-win, in a sense - whereas the Wii had softmods available, some of the more skilled 3DS require you to buy a flash cart - on a system that is capable with piracy without it. There is STILL no way to directly play .3ds files for whatever reason, without a cart. To even play pirated games on >9.2 you'll need a Sky3DS cart, then to play more than 10 games you'll need a blue button, and to play newer games you'll need an orange button plus version.

Yes, I get that DSi mode is a pain. Yes, I get that a N64 emulator likely couldn't run anything that wasn't Mario 64. Yes, I get that .3ds can be converted to .cia.

But still. No one's even really tried. It's a lot worse that the Wii. The Wii had homebrew for everything - and the 3DS is surprisingly lacking of it. Heck, even the original NDS had some great homebrew. The 3DS scene is rather interesting though. No one's really developing for it. No one's doing much of anything with it. Homebrew in general seems to be dying in favor of playing pirated games. That's why stuff like EmuNAND and Loadiine are so much more hypeworthy than userland homebrew. HANS was crazy impressive, in fact, *hax 2.5 was crazy impressive as is, bringing just about everything (but piracy) people claimed to want from CFW, but now it's overshadowed by the magic downgrading power of Sysupdater.

I dunno. Will the 3DS scene ever pick up? I'm really hoping so.
 

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