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What the frick happens to the games/console 25 years down the road? It won't be like my SNES, where I just pop in a cartridge. Nope. Servers are dead, games are dead, console is DEAD.


Even then, there is the Satellaview add-on which downloads game via a radio broadcast service that was discontnued. Same with the Sega Channel.
You have hundreds of lost undumped games from that era alone (Pulseman lost localisation, Doremi Fantasy sequels, and even the few games that were dumped are unplayable without extensive hacking to restore missing code)... And the e-Reader for the GBA too... And guess what, neither of these are put today for downloadable services.
Now these were minor add-on unsuccessful peripherals... Now imagine a full console using this business model.
Makes that Eidos rep declaration about how Nintendo shoul go exclusively third party so that "the younger generation plays their games" silly to say the least, as Nintendo consoles (Even with their cloud gaming obsession, I still give Sony the benefit of doubt for the PS4) seem to be the only way for later generations of gamers to play these gems.

I'm more surprised in fact about Microsoft talking about region locking.
How in the world are they releasing an expensive non-functional device in countries which are not the USA... even though the internet connection even there is so, so far from perfect?
 
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So, you soldiers over in the middle east in the desert? Go fuck yourselves! You can't have any of dat sweet sweet Xbone juice you fuckers! What are you doing over there? Protecting America or something?
Source

Even if you're "trying" to be funny, that's an incredibly fucking stupid thing to say.
 

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Even if you're "trying" to be funny, that's an incredibly fucking stupid thing to say.
He was suggesting that by making the console 24/7 online that Microsoft is basically saying fuck you to anyone who doesn't have a stable internet connection or lives in a rural area where they cannot get internet service. What he posted is what Microsoft is saying in a sense.

It's sometimes hard to tell sarcasm on the net, but most of us tempers are sarcastic bastards.
 
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and this is why microsoft pulled out of the post e3 discussions, they didn't want to face the music and laughter stemming from the fail that is the xboned
 
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What the frick happens to the games/console 25 years down the road? It won't be like my SNES, where I just pop in a cartridge. Nope. Servers are dead, games are dead, console is DEAD.

It's obvious that by the time the console is dead they release an update that allows offline play.
Anyway everyone complaining about this probably has a 24/7 internet connection anyway.
 

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Time to play the Devil's Advocate.
Note: I have never owned an Xbox or Xbox360, have only ever played an Xbox(360) a few times in my life (each time was at a friend's house to play Halo), and have no intentions on getting the newest iteration.

I am in no way condoning what they're doing, but I think you guys are heavily overreacting. From what I've read, once that 24 hour grace period ends, you only have to connect to the internet long enough for the console to verify everything, and then you can go another 24 hours without connecting. While I have no experience outside of US cities and suburbs, spare the occasional camping trip, I find the amount of people who are unable to connect even once in a 24 hour period to be a small minority. Yes, it will affect people, but for the most part not people who frequest forums.

I don't understand why they're doing this to me. I just want to play games, have friendly chats with friends online, and fiddle with other features in boredom. I really didn't want to retire my XBL account but they're about to force me in doing so....
If you just want to play games, have friendly chats with people online, and fiddle with other features (most likely features that require you to be online), why is this a problem for you? You need to be online to chat online.

Again, I am not defending Microsoft. Having to go online for offline-only features, even if temporarily, is a horrible idea. But it's probably not going to be as bad as you guys think.
 

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Here's the corrected link to the Licensing discussion.

How Games Licensing Works on the Xbox One

Here are some select quotes...

Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Translation: We designed the Xbox One so that publishers can fuck you over.

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends.

It's now up to Ubisoft and EA if I can give my game to friends? Awesome! Sign me up!

Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

Oh? I can only give/sell games to people on my friends list? Not someone from Craigslist or eBay? Brilliant!

Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

Even better! Now you have to buy all that launch-day bundle-shovelware yourself rather than swap games with a friend.

In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.

Thanks for clearing all this up for me, Microsoft. I appreciate how you've listened to me, again and again, as all this shit hit the fan.

I'm ready to get XBoned!
 

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I have to say if I was ever considering getting one I certainly won't now, for all the reasons stated. And then putting restrictions on what you can do with the games is just even more idotic. For instance, last year I beat Lego harry potter on 3ds. I knew my brother would like it, so I gave it to him after that. Under this system, I wouldn't have been able to do that all without multiple permissions. That's bs.
 

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I have to say if I was ever considering getting one I certainly won't now, for all the reasons stated. And then putting restrictions on what you can do with the games is just even more idotic. For instance, last year I beat Lego harry potter on 3ds. I knew my brother would like it, so I gave it to him after that. Under this system, I wouldn't have been able to do that all without multiple permissions. That's bs.


Microsoft, getting paranoid more and more every year since 1975.
 

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What the frick happens to the games/console 25 years down the road? It won't be like my SNES, where I just pop in a cartridge. Nope. Servers are dead, games are dead, console is DEAD.

Amen. Fuck this digital download nonsense.
 

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I am in no way condoning what they're doing, but I think you guys are heavily overreacting. From what I've read, once that 24 hour grace period ends, you only have to connect to the internet long enough for the console to verify everything, and then you can go another 24 hours without connecting.
Do you have a proper source for that?
Yes, the real reason is to go for anti-piracy, no matter what they claim. But it also means that they can just push firmware to every device, even if it removes popular functions. Or even refresh advertisements, because...why not show some advertisements during loading times?

The connection thing isn't just so the xbox one can spy on customers and send in whatever data that kinect collects...it can also be used for whatever reasons microsoft MAY think their audience likes.
 

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The Xbone just keeps on failing :)

Online for singleplayer... Ntyvm!


QFMFT, that is all.

Xbox Done!!!!!

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So, if for one reason or another my internet goes berserk and I can not connect, I still have the benefit of watching TV and Blu-ray? Is this really a plus side? Hmm, I guess the next real console wars will be between PS4 and Wii U, xbox one is not a gaming console at all.


Nope, a gaming console it ain't. Wii U and PS4 FTW.

Forced online verification for used games and game-sharing with friends? Check
Forced online verification for offline/single player games? Check
No backwards compatibility? Check
A Kinect device that monitors the no. of people in any given room? Check
Can't play games when connection drops? Check.

Sign me up!
 
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