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DeathStrudel said:
It's one thing if someone is using a swastika image from the Nazi Germany era and is in someway clearly disrespecting those whom it might offend, but if it's a religious image and the user isn't screaming death to jews and such, there should be no problem with it.

It's not being used in a religious way, the Nazi swastika is unique and different in style, colour and rotation to other ones. Microsoft has no compulsion to provide a platform for people to exercise their 'freedom of speech' with nazi symbols. MS has decided that they don't want the display of extremist views detracting from their entertainment service and they've decided that if something is likely to be offensive to many of their paying customers, they want it removed. That's their right, welcome to free market capitalism.
 

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Just a little bit of trivia:
Millions of people joined the Nazi party, but their means were not always criminal. Joining the Nazi party gave you many privileges in Nazi Germany.

The swastika is seen as a symbol of terror, of racism, of anti-homosexuality, etc. And it's total bullshit that someone could be so retarded that they would go "OMG YOU CAN USE A SWASTIKA AS AN EMBLEM I'M SO USING THAT SO I CAN PISS MY NEIGHBOUR OFF".
 

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They are totally justified in not allowing particular symbols, but they should at least be consistent and disallow Stalinist and Maoist symbols.
 

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SPH73 said:
Adolf Hitler 12,000,000
Benito Mussolini 300,000

Those two where Catholics not atheists. Prayers used to be said for Hitler at the Vatican every year on his birthday. EDIT: Almost all of the top Nazi's where confessing Catholics and the only one to get excommunicated was Goebbels for marrying a protestant.
 

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Thesolcity said:
What kinda society do I live in where this is ok? Geez, really? I should be free to have whatever symbol I choose considering I have to pay for "XBOX LIVE", but seriously none of you were in ww2, none of you went through that, the nazis are done for, they're gone. And MS is already ban-crazy enough as it is. Now I have to pay for online play, and then be censored and banned because some bastard doesn't like the swastika? Fine, here, using MS's logic and banning symbols having to do with groups that kill an ass load of people.....why don't we censor anything China related? What about North Korea? If you can't go through your life without crying when you see the swastika you probably should just kill yourself now, you weren't around during that time and its over with.
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No, but our famillies, grandfathers, and all of out ancestors were.

NEWS FLASH PEOPLE - There are millions of Jews everywhere living. Pretty much all of them have some connection to the holocaust. Pretty much all of us see this symbol and, guess what, we are reminded of the Nazis. Of 6 million. And guess what? Nazis aren't gone yet. Neo-Nazis, using your precious fucking freedom of speech right still exist in America. Israel is surrounded by Arab governments who want to finish us completely. Whenever Jews cemeteries and Synagogues are vandalized with the swastika, trust me it's not in the Buddhist meaning of it.
I realize this is the internet so people are dumb as fuck by default but jesus fucking christ guys. You need to draw the line somewhere.
 

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DeathStrudel said:
I think it's kinda messed up that he assumes everyone against this policy doesn't really care about the swastikas original meaning. He says nobody would wear a swastika t-shit, but I, being a buddhist, have a swastika tattoo, because even though it was at one point used as a symbol of evil, it did, and still does, hold great significance to many religions today. I also consider myself an educated human and have to say that I DO look at the swastika and feel that it's twisted meaning SHOULD be ignored. If it was ignored no one would ever be offended by it. It's one thing if someone is using a swastika image from the Nazi Germany era and is in someway clearly disrespecting those whom it might offend, but if it's a religious image and the user isn't screaming death to jews and such, there should be no problem with it. There are plenty of swastikas in the Call of Duty games, how is that different? If just seeing something like that offends you, then you probably shouldn't be playing the game in the first place. The game is rated M, the people playing it should be MATURE enough to handle seeing it just like they do in games, on TV, in books, etc.

Nazi Swastika:
http://imgur.com/6xJUm.jpg

Buddhist Svastika:
http://imgur.com/N113y.jpg



The styles are very different, and they can be told apart easily. There is NO ONE on BO that I have seen that utilizes the Buddhist Svastika. No one. Your point is moot.
 

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Evo.lve said:
And it's total bullshit that someone could be so retarded that they would go "OMG YOU CAN USE A SWASTIKA AS AN EMBLEM I'M SO USING THAT SO I CAN PISS MY NEIGHBOUR OFF".

No it isn't. That sounds incredibly plausible.
 

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ITT: Ignorant and self-righteous white kids getting upset @ Microsoft for stifling their "civil rights/freedom" of speech because Microsoft won't let them use a flag in their gay shooty game that is universally derided as a symbol of hate. Basically, no one gives a shit. Just because you pay for a service does not mean you get to set the rules for the service.
 

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I'm not saying for one moment that it should be allowed to have the Swastika as an emblem but it's used in the Zombies part of the game so I think it's a bit hypocritical of them.
 

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Livin in a box said:
I'm not saying for one moment that it should be allowed to have the Swastika as an emblem but it's used in the Zombies part of the game so I think it's a bit hypocritical of them.

Not really. The zombies are Nazi. Now if you can tell me where in the Multiplayer portion of the game you play as a Nazi, you will have proven your point. But as it stands it's comparing apples to an orange smoothie.

In certain contexts, using the swastika is appropriate (Displaying Nazis in a video game, or Nazi zombies if your prefer)

In multiplayer there is and will never be an appropriate context to use that symbol. There is no instance where you play a Nazi. ever.
 

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What's funny about this is that, if it's on Xbox Live, Microsoft approved it. Way to approve something then go turning around and banning people for using a GODDAMN IMAGE. THAT'S NOT EVEN OBSCENE.
 

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shinkukage09 said:
What's funny about this is that, if it's on Xbox Live, Microsoft approved it. Way to approve something then go turning around and banning people for using a GODDAMN IMAGE. THAT'S NOT EVEN OBSCENE.

It's an emblem editor, anybody can draw anything. If you seriously can't use your own common sense to realise what is okay to use and what isn't, you deserve to get banned.
 

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Law said:
shinkukage09 said:
What's funny about this is that, if it's on Xbox Live, Microsoft approved it. Way to approve something then go turning around and banning people for using a GODDAMN IMAGE. THAT'S NOT EVEN OBSCENE.

It's an emblem editor, anybody can draw anything. If you seriously can't use your own common sense to realise what is okay to use and what isn't, you deserve to get banned.

I start corrected. I assume that emblem editor is BO only? How sucky. And either way. It's only because people are too sensitive over every. little. thing. that this is happening. "Oh my god, he's using a symbol like that, lets all get him banned boo-freaking-hoo." Cy me a river. And all those that used it...Successful Trolls are Successful.
 

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shinkukage09 said:
What's funny about this is that, if it's on Xbox Live, Microsoft approved it. Way to approve something then go turning around and banning people for using a GODDAMN IMAGE. THAT'S NOT EVEN OBSCENE.

That's just like banning Photoshop because people can do various illegal things with it. Or banning cameras because they are capable of filming counterfeit movies.

MS Approved the use of an image editor of sorts. There isn't much yu can do to prevent people from using their imagination (or lack thereof)
 

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Law said:
Evo.lve said:
And it's total bullshit that someone could be so retarded that they would go "OMG YOU CAN USE A SWASTIKA AS AN EMBLEM I'M SO USING THAT SO I CAN PISS MY NEIGHBOUR OFF".

No it isn't. That sounds incredibly plausible.

Worded incorrectly on my behalf. I meant people that don't know/think about the meaning it has.
 

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Crass said:
TwinRetro said:
There isn't much yu can do to prevent people from using their imagination (or lack thereof)

Sure you can, thats why people are getting banned/warned. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

That would be a consequence. You can't really take preventative measures with an image editor without some pretty nifty scripting. Bans/warns are not a preventative measure.
 

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impur1ty said:
They are totally justified in not allowing particular symbols, but they should at least be consistent and disallow Stalinist and Maoist symbols.
Why? Those regimes didn't set out to persecute people based on their ethnicity or mental health. Yes, the purges of political opponents were terrible (unforgivable, even) but don't even begin to compare to the persecution from the NSDAP.
 

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George Dawes said:
impur1ty said:
They are totally justified in not allowing particular symbols, but they should at least be consistent and disallow Stalinist and Maoist symbols.
Why? Those regimes didn't set out to persecute people based on their ethnicity or mental health. Yes, the purges of political opponents were terrible (unforgivable, even) but don't even begin to compare to the persecution from the NSDAP.

Are you serious? Who the fuck cares why did they kill people? What matters is HOW MANY did they kill!
And Stalin killed a whole lot more.
 

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Fabis94 said:
Are you serious? Who the fuck cares why did they kill people? What matters is HOW MANY did they kill!
One death is too many. What matters is WHY they killed. Killing people because they are of a different race to you is evil - have you learned nothing from the defeat of fascism in the 30-40s? Obviously not, and this is why it is on the rise again.
 

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