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Far Right Presidential Candidate Wins in Argentina

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The economic miracle in question.

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But, unlike eastern Europe, without Schengen or a common currency to exploit cheap labor and brain drain to then pretend economic growth.
 

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The economic miracle in question.

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But, unlike eastern Europe, without Schengen or a common currency to exploit cheap labor and brain drain to then pretend economic growth.
Can you please tell about all the others measurement of the economy?, by example:
  • Inflation
  • Argentinian pesos vs Dollar ratio
  • Poverty
  • State expend vs GDP
  • country risk
  • Argentinian companies shares values
Can you please.

Today is the anniversary of the elections wins of Javier Milei, and the country had a 180° turn.
 

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by making huge amounts of debt given to people as handouts- electoral bribe by PISS, who will have to paid by younger generations?
I don’t know if it’s even worth responding given your poor short term memory and your obvious inability to comprehend information given to you in context, but I’ll make a valiant attempt. Communism fell apart in 1989, Poland went through this in the early 90’s and denomination happened in 1995. PiS wasn’t established until 2001. I hope this helps.


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I don’t know if it’s even worth responding given your poor short term memory and your obvious inability to comprehend information given to you in context, but I’ll make a valiant attempt. Communism fell apart in 1989, Poland went through this in the early 90’s and denomination happened in 1995. PiS wasn’t established until 2001. I hope this helps.
Poland has benefited greatly from EU membership.

A lot of that growth came from EU membership, or in the run up to EU membership where they were being prepared to join.

Argentina won't be able to do that, especially with a far right president.
 
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I don’t know if it’s even worth responding given your poor short term memory and your obvious inability to comprehend information given to you in context, but I’ll make a valiant attempt. Communism fell apart in 1989, Poland went through this in the early 90’s and denomination happened in 1995. PiS wasn’t established until 2001. I hope this helps.


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It doesn't, because as usual you're replying to yourself, and not to others. Maybe in your head you were thinking about 1995. I was talking about the past 15 years. So maybe you could have asked instead of making a clown of yourself yet again.

Your issue of not being able to detach what's inside your head from the outside world is still afflicting you I see.

Edit: for the benefit of everyone, state GDP as an indicator of economic wellness has failed us all a long time ago.
 
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It doesn't, because as usual you're replying to yourself, and not to others. Maybe in your head you were thinking about 1995. I was talking about the past 15 years. So maybe you could have asked instead of making a clown of yourself yet again.

Your issue of not being able to detach what's inside your head from the outside world is still afflicting you I see.

Edit: for the benefit of everyone, state GDP as an indicator of economic wellness has failed us all a long time ago.
Nobody’s confused here besides yourself. The time when there was “nothing but matches and vinegar on store shelves” and Poland was going through a political realignment wasn’t “in the last 15 years”, it was in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Your inability to follow the conversation and reply on-topic is your cross to bear, and it’s caused by both your political illiteracy and extremely poor reading comprehension.

The post you’re replying to likens the transformation Argentina is going through to the transformation post-Soviet republics (Poland specifically) went through at the tail end of the 20th century and you’re talking about the last 15 years… for some reason. Your response has literally *nothing* to do with what you’re responding to, making you the only person talking to themselves here. I can guarantee that everyone in the thread understood the comparison *except* you which is why discussing anything with you in earnest is so tiresome - when you have no rebuttal, you just go off into the weeds on unrelated tangents and get upset when someone points it out. That’s on you, not me.

As for what *you* consider to be an indicator of “economic wellness”, nobody cares about your opinion. The rest of us here will continue to use regular economic metrics because we’re not required to move in to La-la-land with you.
Poland has benefited greatly from EU membership.

A lot of that growth came from EU membership, or in the run up to EU membership where they were being prepared to join.

Argentina won't be able to do that, especially with a far right president.
Poland has greatly benefitted from EU membership, which it joined in 2004, nearly a decade after the period being discussed.

Both of you are just precious sometimes.
 
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Poland has greatly benefitted from EU membership, which it joined in 2004, nearly a decade after the period being discussed.
You mean in the transition period into gaining EU membership?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in_the_European_Union

Changes in Polish politics during and after 1989 allowed diplomatic talks regarding Poland's participation in the European Economic Community. Formal negotiations began on 22 December 1990, and ended on 16 December 1991, in the "European Agreement establishing an association between the Republic of Poland and the European Communities and their Member States". At the same time, along with the European Agreement, Poland signed a trade agreement included in the Interim Agreement in force from 1 March 1992.

That "nearly a decade" that you're talking about seems to include the period that I mentioned.

Re-read what I wrote

"A lot of that growth came from EU membership, or in the run up to EU membership where they were being prepared to join."

Were you lying or just wrong?
 
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Both of you are just precious sometimes.
And you never are, so I guess we have to make up for your endless trash :)
nobody cares about your opinion.
Nobody cares about yours either.
*random stupidity cope and spaghetti*
Yawn. liked you a lot more when you were silent. It's still very nice to see you parading your moderator status to behave in ways that warranted others at least a warning.

Besides, once again everyone can see you started flaming others just because you can do so with impunity. I'm going to end your insults right here.
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Were you lying or just wrong?
He's always wrong, but doesn't understand it, gotta take pity on a malformed mind such as his.
 

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Can you please tell about all the others measurement of the economy?

I'm not that interested to go looking for it, it's not interesting to go looking for specifics of a disaster unless it's your profession, which it isn't. And it doesn't matter, the argument is that it will create investment and attract FDI, which by the time it's obvious it didn't happen, there will be another poster piece for real libertarianism, and the woke communists will have ruined it by then. What the extremely summarized indicators actually mean, and how the actual lives are is never relevant.

The rest of us here will continue to use regular economic metrics because we’re not required to move in to La-la-land with you.
As well you should, or we'd run the risk of being in a continent wide recession by disregarding property speculation, that manufacturing keeps decreasing, be confident that the Chinese choices will collapse any day now bringing our companies home, or that infrastructure and public services are decaying rapidly. Then, we'd have to make up new anecdotes about empty shelves and one brand of toothpaste to remind the plebs how good they have it impoverishing yearly.

Poland has greatly benefitted from EU membership
Poland benefited greatly by Germany wanting cheap qualified labour nearby, and easier agricultural export. Will it hold with a crash in demand and the flood of food from the east? Stay tuned!
 

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As well you should, or we'd run the risk of being in a continent wide recession by disregarding property speculation, that manufacturing keeps decreasing, be confident that the Chinese choices will collapse any day now bringing our companies home, or that infrastructure and public services are decaying rapidly. Then, we'd have to make up new anecdotes about empty shelves and one brand of toothpaste to remind the plebs how good they have it impoverishing yearly.
This is some strong sarcasm, for the people who enjoyed the Boys s1-3 and took offence with s4.
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Poland benefited greatly by Germany wanting cheap qualified labour nearb
You will find that it was the UK who pushed more than others for Poland to join the EU, only to become the one place in the world where "Polish plumber" is a derogatory expression.
 
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You mean in the transition period into gaining EU membership?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in_the_European_Union

Changes in Polish politics during and after 1989 allowed diplomatic talks regarding Poland's participation in the European Economic Community. Formal negotiations began on 22 December 1990, and ended on 16 December 1991, in the "European Agreement establishing an association between the Republic of Poland and the European Communities and their Member States". At the same time, along with the European Agreement, Poland signed a trade agreement included in the Interim Agreement in force from 1 March 1992.

That "nearly a decade" that you're talking about seems to include the period that I mentioned.

Re-read what I wrote

"A lot of that growth came from EU membership, or in the run up to EU membership where they were being prepared to join."

Were you lying or just wrong?
Poland *did* become a member of the European Union in 2004, a decade after the period being discussed - where’s the lie? That’s all I said and that’s a fact. As for the point you’re raising about the run-up to membership, any and all improvements between its liberation in 1989 and EU membership are a direct result of our own legislative efforts, particularly the widespread reform under Leszek Balcerowicz. Nothing you’ve just said changes that - it’s not unusual for non-member states to sign trade agreements with Brussels nor is it odd that one would sign an interim agreement if they’re actively pursuing membership at a later date. Attributing any pre-membership growth to the EU, ignoring all other factors involved, is crude, reductionist and silly.
Yawn. liked you a lot more when you were silent. It's still very nice to see you parading your moderator status to behave in ways that warranted others at least a warning.

Besides, once again everyone can see you started flaming others just because you can do so with impunity. I'm going to end your insults right here.
You’re welcome to report any and all posts I make that you find objectionable and they’ll be reviewed by a third party just like anybody else’s. If you don’t want other people to point out your various follies, you should proofread your posts better.
As well you should, or we'd run the risk of being in a continent wide recession by disregarding property speculation, that manufacturing keeps decreasing, be confident that the Chinese choices will collapse any day now bringing our companies home, or that infrastructure and public services are decaying rapidly. Then, we'd have to make up new anecdotes about empty shelves and one brand of toothpaste to remind the plebs how good they have it impoverishing yearly.
I’m pretty sure there’s another big event that caused an economic downturn that you’re neglecting to mention here, but I don’t know what it could possibly be.
Poland benefited greatly by Germany wanting cheap qualified labour nearby, and easier agricultural export. Will it hold with a crash in demand and the flood of food from the east? Stay tuned!
Yes, Poles are exclusively cheap labourers, much like Mexicans. I’m confident that the explosion in gross domestic product was caused primarily by plumbers transferring their earning back to the motherland and not the sweeping economic reform the country enacted in the 90’s.
 
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You’re welcome to report any and all posts I make that you find objectionable and they’ll be reviewed by a third party just like anybody else’s. If you don’t want other people to point out your various follies, you should proofread your posts better.
You're already a masterclass in intellectual dishonesty and whataboutism, you will likely keep intercepting and deleting reports affecting you like you have surely done in the past.

My non-existent follies are "pointed out" only by folks detached from reality such as you. I should be flattered by your attention but I swear you are not, and never will be, my type.
 
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You're already a masterclass in intellectual dishonesty and whataboutism, you will likely keep intercepting and deleting reports affecting you like you have surely done in the past.

My non-existent follies are "pointed out" only by folks detached from reality such as you. I should be flattered by your attention but I swear you are not, and never will be, my type.
It is impossible for us to delete reports - they’re saved permanently to provide a clear and transparent record for both moderators and the administration and enable fair judgement that includes prior infractions in the calculus. Everything you have ever reported, however minute and inconsequential it may be, is available to the team. If you don’t think this is the case, or don’t like the outcome of your reports, you can always contact a Supervisor to inquire about the status of your complaint. I think the issue lies with you. It seems I can’t sneeze without you reporting me, which is very amusing and endearing. I assure you, you’re not my only fan, but you *are* a super fan indeed.

In any case, it’s time to get back to Argentina, seeing that your post was exclusively about me instead (again, but I’ll let it slide). JP Morgan just increased their forecast for Argentina, the renewed optimism is motivated by lower-than-expected general inflation. That being said, there are still some concerns regarding underlying inflation and the economy is still expected to shrink year-on-year, meaning there’s more work to be done. Here’s for hoping Milei continues to beat estimates and comes out on top.

https://elintransigente.com/2024/11...fico-sus-proyecciones-para-2025-en-argentina/
 
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Another far right pundit yes.

Gotta tell ya, I don't know what's considered "Far Right", "Far Left", etc. I am not socially in the zeitgeist of political definitions. I also like it that way. So instead, for anyone reading this comment, since I posted something that's more than likely positively focused on Lex Fridman in a positive light, here's a link to a subreddit that critiques people in the "guru" space https://www.reddit.com/r/DecodingTheGurus/search/?q=Lex
 

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