Trump leads Kamala in nearly every swing state [Update: 5 out of 7]

titan_tim · 2024-11-02T11:02:33+0000

Dark_Ansem said:
Can we start putting xitter screenshots instead of links please? Let's not give views to that moron

I would have, but it was a video.

Dark_Ansem · 2024-11-02T11:04:54+0000

titan_tim said:
I would have, but it was a video.

Ew.

Taleweaver · 2024-11-02T11:21:46+0000

titan_tim said:
https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1852544010381881810

Feel proud for your vote, GOP! The low level of class was on full display for years, but it was never on the level of deepthroating a mic stand in front of thousands. Even in context, it doesn't many ANY sense. He complained about the mics being terrible, and he wasn't going to pay the contractors (As per usual), then he just adjusts the mic and thought that sucking it off was the most presidential thing he could do.

Seriously, I feel bad for his supporters at this point. They WISH that they didn't have to defend this type of insanity. But here we are....

Full context here:
https://x.com/saras76/status/1852555720094359826

I have no reply as to why he acts as if he's never used a microphone before. As a gamer, i can only presume he's blowing out the stand the way you'd blow out a dusty gameboy cartridge.

gudenau · 2024-11-02T11:52:50+0000

Exidous said:
I know lots of people are stressed out about the election so I'm going to assume this is a question asked in good faith.

If you're seriously not understanding the case, try understanding the best argument each side made. Unfortunately we don't have any of that in front of us here.

The NPR article you linked does a couple of things that set off red flags for me. Quick tutorial in media literacy:

Since 2019, all Pennsylvania voters have been able to cast ballots by mail, but to have their mail ballots counted, they have to follow strict rules laid out in the state election code. One of those rules requires voters to place their ballot into a “secrecy envelope” before placing it into the mailing envelope. Without the secrecy envelope, the ballot is considered “naked” and will not be counted.

Under a statewide notification system, voters get an email telling them that their naked ballot has been invalidated and that “you can go to your polling place on election day and cast a provisional ballot.” Most counties follow that practice, but some, like Butler County, Pa., do not.

The first paragraph describes Pennsylvania law. Critical words indicating that and what the law says are in bold. Notably, NPR is not quoting Pennsylvania law for those critical pieces. The only quoted words in this paragraph are "secrecy envelope" and "naked." It's not clear from the article if those words appear in the relevant law though or are just being rendered in quotes for purposes of defining terms.

The second paragraph describes what Pennsylvania has been doing in practice. There's no statement indicating that Pennsylvania law requires or prohibits any/some of the described practices. Indeed, the text I italicized seems intended to deceive the reader that Pennsylvania law requires offering provisional ballots when a naked mail in ballot is rejected. As we'll see, this is incorrect.

Which is the law in most states that offer mail in ballots. Think about it, it practically has to be.

Most (all?) states have no guarantee that a given voter's mail in ballot will be processed before election day. If a voter mails in a ballot and goes to the polls, that's two votes a person, and almost automatically a crime. But let's assume this is the rarer case where a voter sent in a mail in ballot, and knows that their ballot was rejected, and it's still before election day.

So we can have provisional ballots. If a particular voter gets into a particular snafu, state law could provide that such voters are entitled to submit a provisional ballot - one that is counted instead of the voter's mail in ballot. A provisional ballot obviously isn't a general right, otherwise everyone would just double vote, 'just to be sure'. So there has to be a precondition laid out in law that allows for a provisional ballot while still preventing double voting. Bear in mind, the only way to do this in practice is to set aside the affected mail in ballot while retaining that ballot's voter identification - at least temporarily breaking the secrecy of the ballot for the affected vote - so that the voter can be qualified/notified to submit a provisional ballot.

Here's a comparatively and uncharacteristically decent WaPo article on this case https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/01/supreme-court-pennsylvania-ballots/

It still doesn't tell us enough, but at least we have some more details. We get a whole one sentence from the position of the evil Republicans: "Weeks after mail voting began in Pennsylvania — and less than two weeks before Election Day — a sharply divided 4-3 Pennsylvania Supreme Court departed from the plain terms of the Election Code to dramatically change the rules governing mail voting"

Let's not so generously assume they're not lying in their briefs (lawyers get disbarred for that). This tells me a couple of things. Pennsylvania law required rejecting the affected mail in ballots. Further, Pennsylvania law did not provide for provisional ballots when such a rejection occurred (permitting Butler County's practice).

So with all of that out of the way, one could start to understand the case. No thanks to NPR.

Here's my supposition: the statewide election authority that made those emails to voters decided to step into the breach and offer provisional ballots outside Pennsylvania law. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court just made shit up to permit it. Indeed, to force it in this case of that particular county (Butler) that didn't implement that made up, non-legally-prescribed provisional ballot remedy.

Well I agree it's ridiculous, from the opposite position. Those four PA SC votes were likely lawless. They ruled that a bad ballot is void rather than an entity under Pennsylvania law, for the first time afaik. That's probably going to make mischief from other provisions of Pennsylvania law that necessarily treat such ballots as something other than nonexistent (i.e. invalid). Off the cuff example: remember that double voting crime I described in the context of mail in ballots+in person votes? How will you convict a voter under PA's election code for double voting if they send in a "naked" mail in ballot AND vote in person? Under this ruling, they voted once, in person, the other one is void! How about convicting them if they sent in a 'clothed' ballot and testify that they 'couldn't remember' if they included the secrecy envelope, so they went on to vote in person as well? Remember, a clothed ballot would be counted. And it would be counted in a way that separated it from the voter's identification.

Finally, here's my confirmed supposition: here's where you can read the briefs https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24a408.html.

Want to know why the PA Supreme Court did that invalid>void thing? Here's a dead on statute quoted by (losing) evil Republicans in their application:

“[a] provisional ballot shall not be counted if the elector’s absentee or mail-in ballot is timely received by a county board of elections.”25 Pa. Stat. § 3050(a.4)(5)(ii)(F) (emphasis added). Thus, a county board must not count any provisional ballot cast by a voter whose mail ballot was “timely received” before the deadline of 8 p.m. on Election Day.

There's a pretty simple way of making "double voting" not an issue: only count one of the ballots. With all of the voter suppression stuff that's going on I think it's fair to allow people to cast a provisional ballot, after all that's literally what they are for: when there are questions related to their eligibility or mail in ballots.

titan_tim · 2024-11-02T12:02:28+0000

Taleweaver said:
I have no reply as to why he acts as if he's never used a microphone before. As a gamer, i can only presume he's blowing out the stand the way you'd blow out a dusty gameboy cartridge.

No blowing there. Only sucking/slurping.

BigOnYa · 2024-11-02T14:08:11+0000

I don't understand how Trump supporters can just ignore these facts and think its ok to let him back in.

supermist · 2024-11-02T14:35:13+0000

BigOnYa said:
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I don't understand how Trump supporters can just ignore these facts and think its ok to let him back in.

No one reasonable understands what goes on in a Trump voter's mind at this point.

Dark_Ansem · 2024-11-02T15:04:15+0000

supermist said:
No one reasonable understands what goes on in a Trump voter's mind at this point.

I do. They're terrified by their own delusions and can't stand the idea of not being in power.

Taleweaver · 2024-11-02T16:09:23+0000

BigOnYa said:
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I don't understand how Trump supporters can just ignore these facts and think its ok to let him back in.

It's not that hard: we call them facts. They call them witch hunts. There's also a lot of sunken cost fallacy and trust in the republican party, and probably a good bit of tradition and social peer pressure at play.

To be fair, a lot of that goes for Democrats as well. It's easy to claim that anyone not voting Trump has the upper intellectual hand, but most don't know the details of Harris's plans either.

Xzi · 2024-11-02T16:48:01+0000

Between the Puerto Rico fuck-up, the garbage taking itself out, and Trump performing fellatio on a microphone, you have to wonder how much even his die-hards are still excited or enthused to vote for him. Dumbest possible closing argument for the worst possible campaign. All the positivity and momentum remains on Harris' side.

console · 2024-11-02T17:07:43+0000

It's getting closer to November 5, 2024!

Harris and Trump need to hurry up before end. Congrats to both! :grog:

I want to add something awesome video for deaf, hard of hearing and disabled people maybe know America Sign Language (ASL)! Show this video to everyone! Have fun!

This video is not real! Created by AI computer for add ASL in video. Harris and Trump use ASL to talk (by hands only) to everyone.

NyaakoXD · 2024-11-02T17:17:42+0000

Taleweaver said:
It's not that hard: we call them facts. They call them witch hunts. There's also a lot of sunken cost fallacy and trust in the republican party, and probably a good bit of tradition and social peer pressure at play.

To be fair, a lot of that goes for Democrats as well. It's easy to claim that anyone not voting Trump has the upper intellectual hand, but most don't know the details of Harris's plans either.

Not just that, but also bad education. A lot of people on the MAGA side heavily lack critical thinking skills and don't know a lot of basic stuff like how the economy works and just blindly believe Trump and all the lies and conspiracy theories being shoved at their faces. This is what Trump and his lackeys are aiming for. To go after the uneducated because they don't understand how these things work and just think the rising prices is all democrats' fault and that illegal immigrants are taking up homes, stealing jobs, and voting illegally.

Harris's plans are laid out multiple times in her rallies. She's repeated them over and over. Some of them are: To fight against corporate greedy price gouging, make housing affordable and readily available, cut taxes for middle class families, make healthcare more affordable, make childcare more affordable, let new small businesses have a chance to grow, etc. She lets her supporters know what's at stake and what she's fighting for. Easy to understand and straight to the point without trying to hurt anyone or make false claims.

I'm sure that way more people by a large margin know what her plans are to help the American people than Trump's "concepts of a plan".

supermist · 2024-11-02T17:18:37+0000

Bunch of weird losers blaring their horns going 1mph holding up parking lot traffic at the grocery store.

Imagine deciding to spend your Saturday doing this.

AndorfRequissa · 2024-11-02T17:33:40+0000

supermist said:
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Bunch of weird losers blaring their horns going 1mph holding up parking lot traffic at the grocery store.

Imagine deciding to spend your Saturday doing this.

they do it because people like u hate it. if people didnt hate as much there wouldnt be any contention in this election. but rabbid dogs on both sides have caused hate to go up even for simple things.

Xzi · 2024-11-02T17:38:31+0000

AndorfRequissa said:
they do it because people like u hate it.

That's no excuse for supposedly grown adults. Would you normalize it if they ate dog shit just so they could make liberals smell it by breathing on them, too?

Cranesbill · 2024-11-02T17:41:34+0000

supermist said:
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Bunch of weird losers blaring their horns going 1mph holding up parking lot traffic at the grocery store.

Imagine deciding to spend your Saturday doing this.

You know they're just expressing themselves, you don't have to shit on everything they do

What, you hate pride parades as well?

Xzi · 2024-11-02T17:45:43+0000

Cranesbill said:
You know they're just expressing themselves, you don't have to shit on everything they do

What, you hate pride parades as well?

Parades are planned out in advance, they don't interrupt everybody else's day just to be obnoxious. These idiots need to stop pretending that WWE and politics are the same thing.

AndorfRequissa · 2024-11-02T17:46:14+0000

Xzi said:
That's no excuse for supposedly grown adults. Would you normalize it if they ate dog shit just so they could make liberals smell it by breathing on them, too?

if there were no excuses for grown adults half ur comments wouldnt even exist. hate is hate any way u want to put it. i dont see them doing anything hateful.

Cranesbill · 2024-11-02T17:48:51+0000

Xzi said:
Parades are planned out in advance, they don't interrupt everybody else's day just to be obnoxious. These idiots need to stop pretending that WWE and politics are the same thing.

I don't know, parades are still an inconvenience. This is pretty accurate and what people have to deal with

supermist · 2024-11-02T17:49:10+0000

These assholes are holding up traffic flow in a parking lot this isn't some scheduled parade lmao

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