Trump leads Kamala in nearly every swing state [Update: Trump wins the 2024 election]

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This is not okay, especially when you are violating the terms that were set.

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u do know that he was speaking about warmongers sending other people to war. out of context it sounds bad but in the context of what he was saying liz cheney is just like her father. a souless coward who sends others to their death and profits off it.
 
What the electrical college does is to make 99% of this country irrelevant at election time, why should 3 states decide the election?
"I won't be ruled by COASTAL ELITES" (cit)

*cackles in coastal elitism*
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u do know that he was speaking about warmongers sending other people to war. out of context it sounds bad but in the context of what he was saying liz cheney is just like her father. a souless coward who sends others to their death and profits off it.
It was bad anyway tbh since Liz Cheney didn't really hasn't done anything like her father... yet.
 
u do know that he was speaking about warmongers sending other people to war. out of context it sounds bad but in the context of what he was saying liz cheney is just like her father. a souless coward who sends others to their death and profits off it.
After having talked about being a dictator on day 1, sending the military against his political rivals, can you really say there wasn't a hint of him suggesting this could be a literal course of action?
 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_in_New_York

(Go to post trial proceedings, then immunity)

Some of the activities that he received felonies for occurred after 2016, including covering his actions up

Events as late as 2018 were considered

So if you read here, it may actually lead to immunity being successfully used to vacate
we need more blue in congress to impeach thes scotus bpzps for blatant corruption shame the executive branch is honestly the weakest of the three and can't over rule an inpeachment in the justice branch in case congress is compromised (which currently imo it is)
 
Really trying to understand the logic that any person not acting maliciously would have in this situation

Republicans trying to block people's ability to vote in person if their mail in ballot wasn't accepted

How can they actually justify refusing someone's ability to vote?

Thankfully the PA supreme court ruled in favor of voters - but it's ridiculous it was a 4/3 decision

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/01/g-s1-31054/supreme-court-pennsylvania
 
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Really trying to understand the logic that any person not acting maliciously would have in this situation

Republicans trying to block people's ability to vote in person if their mail in ballot wasn't accepted

How can they actually justify refusing someone's ability to vote?

Thankfully the PA supreme court ruled in favor of voters - but it's ridiculous it was a 4/3 decision

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/01/g-s1-31054/supreme-court-pennsylvania
I agree if their mail in ballot was deemed invalid there is no reason to deny provisional ballot.

What other things have been going on in the race today? I haven't had a chance to catch up with the days events. I just saw the weird convo about some c-section weirdness over the previous couple pages.
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/poli...ur-misleading-election-claims-invs/index.html

Lotta mishaps in these Dem cities. Expect legal action despite problem being caught and rectified.
 
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Really trying to understand the logic that any person not acting maliciously would have in this situation

I know lots of people are stressed out about the election so I'm going to assume this is a question asked in good faith.

If you're seriously not understanding the case, try understanding the best argument each side made. Unfortunately we don't have any of that in front of us here.

The NPR article you linked does a couple of things that set off red flags for me. Quick tutorial in media literacy:

Since 2019, all Pennsylvania voters have been able to cast ballots by mail, but to have their mail ballots counted, they have to follow strict rules laid out in the state election code. One of those rules requires voters to place their ballot into a “secrecy envelope” before placing it into the mailing envelope. Without the secrecy envelope, the ballot is considered “naked” and will not be counted.
Under a statewide notification system, voters get an email telling them that their naked ballot has been invalidated and that “you can go to your polling place on election day and cast a provisional ballot.” Most counties follow that practice, but some, like Butler County, Pa., do not.

The first paragraph describes Pennsylvania law. Critical words indicating that and what the law says are in bold. Notably, NPR is not quoting Pennsylvania law for those critical pieces. The only quoted words in this paragraph are "secrecy envelope" and "naked." It's not clear from the article if those words appear in the relevant law though or are just being rendered in quotes for purposes of defining terms.

The second paragraph describes what Pennsylvania has been doing in practice. There's no statement indicating that Pennsylvania law requires or prohibits any/some of the described practices. Indeed, the text I italicized seems intended to deceive the reader that Pennsylvania law requires offering provisional ballots when a naked mail in ballot is rejected. As we'll see, this is incorrect.

Republicans trying to block people's ability to vote in person if their mail in ballot wasn't accepted
Which is the law in most states that offer mail in ballots. Think about it, it practically has to be.

Most (all?) states have no guarantee that a given voter's mail in ballot will be processed before election day. If a voter mails in a ballot and goes to the polls, that's two votes a person, and almost automatically a crime. But let's assume this is the rarer case where a voter sent in a mail in ballot, and knows that their ballot was rejected, and it's still before election day.

So we can have provisional ballots. If a particular voter gets into a particular snafu, state law could provide that such voters are entitled to submit a provisional ballot - one that is counted instead of the voter's mail in ballot. A provisional ballot obviously isn't a general right, otherwise everyone would just double vote, 'just to be sure'. So there has to be a precondition laid out in law that allows for a provisional ballot while still preventing double voting. Bear in mind, the only way to do this in practice is to set aside the affected mail in ballot while retaining that ballot's voter identification - at least temporarily breaking the secrecy of the ballot for the affected vote - so that the voter can be qualified/notified to submit a provisional ballot.

Here's a comparatively and uncharacteristically decent WaPo article on this case https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/01/supreme-court-pennsylvania-ballots/

It still doesn't tell us enough, but at least we have some more details. We get a whole one sentence from the position of the evil Republicans: "Weeks after mail voting began in Pennsylvania — and less than two weeks before Election Day — a sharply divided 4-3 Pennsylvania Supreme Court departed from the plain terms of the Election Code to dramatically change the rules governing mail voting"

Let's not so generously assume they're not lying in their briefs (lawyers get disbarred for that). This tells me a couple of things. Pennsylvania law required rejecting the affected mail in ballots. Further, Pennsylvania law did not provide for provisional ballots when such a rejection occurred (permitting Butler County's practice).

So with all of that out of the way, one could start to understand the case. No thanks to NPR.

Here's my supposition: the statewide election authority that made those emails to voters decided to step into the breach and offer provisional ballots outside Pennsylvania law. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court just made shit up to permit it. Indeed, to force it in this case of that particular county (Butler) that didn't implement that made up, non-legally-prescribed provisional ballot remedy.
Thankfully the PA supreme court ruled in favor of voters - but it's ridiculous it was a 4/3 decision
Well I agree it's ridiculous, from the opposite position. Those four PA SC votes were likely lawless. They ruled that a bad ballot is void rather than an entity under Pennsylvania law, for the first time afaik. That's probably going to make mischief from other provisions of Pennsylvania law that necessarily treat such ballots as something other than nonexistent (i.e. invalid). Off the cuff example: remember that double voting crime I described in the context of mail in ballots+in person votes? How will you convict a voter under PA's election code for double voting if they send in a "naked" mail in ballot AND vote in person? Under this ruling, they voted once, in person, the other one is void! How about convicting them if they sent in a 'clothed' ballot and testify that they 'couldn't remember' if they included the secrecy envelope, so they went on to vote in person as well? Remember, a clothed ballot would be counted. And it would be counted in a way that separated it from the voter's identification.

Finally, here's my confirmed supposition: here's where you can read the briefs https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24a408.html.

Want to know why the PA Supreme Court did that invalid>void thing? Here's a dead on statute quoted by (losing) evil Republicans in their application:

“[a] provisional ballot shall not be counted if the elector’s absentee or mail-in ballot is timely received by a county board of elections.”25 Pa. Stat. § 3050(a.4)(5)(ii)(F) (emphasis added). Thus, a county board must not count any provisional ballot cast by a voter whose mail ballot was “timely received” before the deadline of 8 p.m. on Election Day.​
 
I know lots of people are stressed out about the election so I'm going to assume this is a question asked in good faith.

If you're seriously not understanding the case, try understanding the best argument each side made. Unfortunately we don't have any of that in front of us here.

The NPR article you linked does a couple of things that set off red flags for me. Quick tutorial in media literacy:

Since 2019, all Pennsylvania voters have been able to cast ballots by mail, but to have their mail ballots counted, they have to follow strict rules laid out in the state election code. One of those rules requires voters to place their ballot into a “secrecy envelope” before placing it into the mailing envelope. Without the secrecy envelope, the ballot is considered “naked” and will not be counted.
Under a statewide notification system, voters get an email telling them that their naked ballot has been invalidated and that “you can go to your polling place on election day and cast a provisional ballot.” Most counties follow that practice, but some, like Butler County, Pa., do not.

The first paragraph describes Pennsylvania law. Critical words indicating that and what the law says are in bold. Notably, NPR is not quoting Pennsylvania law for those critical pieces. The only quoted words in this paragraph are "secrecy envelope" and "naked." It's not clear from the article if those words appear in the relevant law though or are just being rendered in quotes for purposes of defining terms.

The second paragraph describes what Pennsylvania has been doing in practice. There's no statement indicating that Pennsylvania law requires or prohibits any/some of the described practices. Indeed, the text I italicized seems intended to deceive the reader that Pennsylvania law requires offering provisional ballots when a naked mail in ballot is rejected. As we'll see, this is incorrect.


Which is the law in most states that offer mail in ballots. Think about it, it practically has to be.

Most (all?) states have no guarantee that a given voter's mail in ballot will be processed before election day. If a voter mails in a ballot and goes to the polls, that's two votes a person, and almost automatically a crime. But let's assume this is the rarer case where a voter sent in a mail in ballot, and knows that their ballot was rejected, and it's still before election day.

So we can have provisional ballots. If a particular voter gets into a particular snafu, state law could provide that such voters are entitled to submit a provisional ballot - one that is counted instead of the voter's mail in ballot. A provisional ballot obviously isn't a general right, otherwise everyone would just double vote, 'just to be sure'. So there has to be a precondition laid out in law that allows for a provisional ballot while still preventing double voting. Bear in mind, the only way to do this in practice is to set aside the affected mail in ballot while retaining that ballot's voter identification - at least temporarily breaking the secrecy of the ballot for the affected vote - so that the voter can be qualified/notified to submit a provisional ballot.

Here's a comparatively and uncharacteristically decent WaPo article on this case https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/01/supreme-court-pennsylvania-ballots/

It still doesn't tell us enough, but at least we have some more details. We get a whole one sentence from the position of the evil Republicans: "Weeks after mail voting began in Pennsylvania — and less than two weeks before Election Day — a sharply divided 4-3 Pennsylvania Supreme Court departed from the plain terms of the Election Code to dramatically change the rules governing mail voting"

Let's not so generously assume they're not lying in their briefs (lawyers get disbarred for that). This tells me a couple of things. Pennsylvania law required rejecting the affected mail in ballots. Further, Pennsylvania law did not provide for provisional ballots when such a rejection occurred (permitting Butler County's practice).

So with all of that out of the way, one could start to understand the case. No thanks to NPR.

Here's my supposition: the statewide election authority that made those emails to voters decided to step into the breach and offer provisional ballots outside Pennsylvania law. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court just made shit up to permit it. Indeed, to force it in this case of that particular county (Butler) that didn't implement that made up, non-legally-prescribed provisional ballot remedy.

Well I agree it's ridiculous, from the opposite position. Those four PA SC votes were likely lawless. They ruled that a bad ballot is void rather than an entity under Pennsylvania law, for the first time afaik. That's probably going to make mischief from other provisions of Pennsylvania law that necessarily treat such ballots as something other than nonexistent (i.e. invalid). Off the cuff example: remember that double voting crime I described in the context of mail in ballots+in person votes? How will you convict a voter under PA's election code for double voting if they send in a "naked" mail in ballot AND vote in person? Under this ruling, they voted once, in person, the other one is void! How about convicting them if they sent in a 'clothed' ballot and testify that they 'couldn't remember' if they included the secrecy envelope, so they went on to vote in person as well? Remember, a clothed ballot would be counted. And it would be counted in a way that separated it from the voter's identification.

Finally, here's my confirmed supposition: here's where you can read the briefs https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24a408.html.

Want to know why the PA Supreme Court did that invalid>void thing? Here's a dead on statute quoted by (losing) evil Republicans in their application:


“[a] provisional ballot shall not be counted if the elector’s absentee or mail-in ballot is timely received by a county board of elections.”25 Pa. Stat. § 3050(a.4)(5)(ii)(F) (emphasis added). Thus, a county board must not count any provisional ballot cast by a voter whose mail ballot was “timely received” before the deadline of 8 p.m. on Election Day.​
Did you read the article?

It's only people who have officially had their ballot rejected who can have a provisional ballot on election day

therefore there is zero way it would count as a double vote

AND in fact nearly every county in PA was letting people do provisional ballots - it was only a couple hold out counties that refused to do that

The republicans taking this to court is pure and simple voter suppression
 
Well, I can officially withdraw my assumption about good faith. Way to definitely not read what I wrote, and reply, in three minutes.
 
Who are the DUMB americans to vote for kamala Harris??
Kamala's father was a Jamaican and her mother was Indian from asian Indian, she hasn't had TRUE AMERICAN VALUES from them!!! She is FAR LEFT in political values, so almost a communist.....Do you understand this Dumb American people?
Would you also put an Algerian, a Russian, an Irakian, a North KOREAN on the Head of you country??? Even a kid of one of them?? Think of it deeply!! No one can contradict this!!
Kamala Harris is what to be called a TROJAN, do you know what a trojan is??
She, MISS TROJAN, will lowers the drawbridge of Castle America, reduces your defenses and lets all immigration in by advocating laws which will encourage the re-entry of other immigrants and give them more rights which will greatly increase your taxes and increase of unemployment!!!! (why? Because when there is more people for a certains amounts of jobs, unemployment is it so hard to understand??), also, when there is more immigrants on your territory, your country might looses
technological knowledge, for example if Elon Musk build a special powerful Drone for your country like Tony Stark in Marvel (the guy with an big ego in Marvel like Musk as you know), and he employ an immigrant in his firm, the person might give the plans to make this Drone to another country, do you understand that Kamala Harris's Supporter?? You could loose a war because of this....Did you knew that the Nuclear BOMB was in possession of American First because Jewish scientists fled Germany During Wold war II?? Did you knew America won because of this?? The vote of persons that have not been americans for 2 generations should not be taken because they have another vision on the country.
Be a REAL patriotic american, protect your country and national knowledge, don't do the mistakes that we did in Europe!!
EVEN IF it means having an American president who doesn't have his tongue in his pocket like CHUCHILL saying borderline things. This president TRUMP has already had a good reign for america and made already America better before.
Well that was...... uneducational. Go back to your hole for another four years. Nobody cares about your insecurities and mad ravings.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/pentagon-audit-says-boeing-cleaned-183952075.html

Paging Elon… Elon please report to the DOGE to investigate these luxury soap dispensers
I'm all for cleaning up the waste. If you ask ANYONE, you won't see them say they want blatant waste like that. There's a reason the senate, house, and presidency have never even bothered tackling that obvious problem. Try taking money away from the war machine and survive.
 
u do know that he was speaking about warmongers sending other people to war. out of context it sounds bad but in the context of what he was saying liz cheney is just like her father. a souless coward who sends others to their death and profits off it.
Of course they know that's the context of the clip. They literally don't care. Leftists are mentally ill lunatics that will lie and deceive to try and distort the truth anyway they can.
 
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Most of ballots if not all will be rejected for mismatch with signature, also if it is from apartment, it is very red flag and county clerk and secretary of state would investigate further.

Not just federal crime, it is state crime too. If Trump pardon Charles Pierce, so he will still end up in California state prison for state crime, also he will be felon as well.
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What the electrical college does is to make 99% of this country irrelevant at election time, why should 3 states decide the election?
Yeah, electoral college is archaic.

With popular vote, Trump and Harris would have to visit all states to get most voters to win the election.
 
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The supreme court ruled he had immunity in certain cases, in fact, it's not clear if he will be sentenced at all
That's about his involvement in 1/6 and stealing government documents. Can't recall the hush money case, but most likely not covered (edit :that's the one your wiki link refers to. I'm going with'undecided'for now).
Either way: he's a felon for both the Caroll case and his business tax fraud case. These just have a delayed sentence, but not because of SCOTUS.
 
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https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1852544010381881810

Feel proud for your vote, GOP! The low level of class was on full display for years, but it was never on the level of deepthroating a mic stand in front of thousands. Even in context, it doesn't many ANY sense. He complained about the mics being terrible, and he wasn't going to pay the contractors (As per usual), then he just adjusts the mic and thought that sucking it off was the most presidential thing he could do.

Seriously, I feel bad for his supporters at this point. They WISH that they didn't have to defend this type of insanity. But here we are....


Full context here:
https://x.com/saras76/status/1852555720094359826
 
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https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1852544010381881810

Feel proud for your vote, GOP! The low level of class was on full display for years, but it was never on the level of deepthroating a mic stand in front of thousands. Even in context, it doesn't many ANY sense. He complained about the mics being terrible, and he wasn't going to pay the contractors (As per usual), then he just adjusts the mic and thought that sucking it off was the most presidential thing he could do.

Seriously, I feel bad for his supporters at this point. They WISH that they didn't have to defend this type of insanity. But here we are....


Full context here:
https://x.com/saras76/status/1852555720094359826
Can we start putting xitter screenshots instead of links please? Let's not give views to that moron
 

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